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some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 12:08:56 AM

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Karl Rove, President Bush's longtime political guru, refused to obey an order to testify before a House Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday.

Karl Rove's lawyers says he is immune from a congressional subpoena.

Rove's lawyer asserted that Rove was "immune" from the subpoena the committee had issued, arguing that the committee could not compel him to testify due to "executive privilege."
The panel is investigating allegations that Rove and his White House allies dismissed U.S. attorneys and prosecuted officials who they saw as political opponents.
The panel subpoenaed Rove in May after his lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, made clear the former White House deputy chief of staff would not appear voluntarily.
Luskin responded immediately that Rove still would not appear, prompting a threat of prosecution from the Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, and Rep. Linda Sanchez, a California Democrat who chairs the subcommittee on commercial and administrative law.

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"We are unaware of any proper legal basis for Mr. Rove's refusal to even appear today as required by the subpoena," Sanchez said Thursday morning when Rove failed to show up. "The courts have made clear that no one -- not even the president -- is immune from compulsory process. That is what the Supreme Court rules in U.S. v. Nixon and Clinton v. Jones."
In May, Conyers contrasted Rove's refusal to testify before Congress with his paid work as a commentator for the Fox News Channel and Newsweek magazine.
"Although he does not seem the least bit hesitant to discuss these very issues weekly on cable television and in the print news media, Mr. Rove and his attorney have apparently concluded that a public hearing room would not be appropriate. Unfortunately, I have no choice today but to compel his testimony on these very important matters."
Rove's lawyer cited a letter from the Justice Department saying Rove is "constitutionally immune from compelled congressional testimony." He said Rove is willing to submit to an "informal interview" or to answer written questions about the prosecution of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, whose ouster Rove is accused of orchestrating.
"Threatening Mr. Rove with sanctions will not in any way expedite the resolution of the issue," Luskin wrote in a letter to the panel on Wednesday.
Luskin noted in May that his client had already received a separate subpoena from the Senate Judiciary Committee. "While the [House] committee has the authority to issue a subpoena, it is hard to see what this will accomplish, apart from a 'Groundhog Day' replay of the same issues that are already the subject of litigation," the lawyer wrote, referring to a movie in which a person lives the same day over and over again.
Luskin added that "issues of executive privilege and separation of powers" could limit Rove's testimony.
In response, Conyers said the two committees are focusing on different matters, with the House committee delving into the prosecution of the former Alabama governor, a Democrat who lost his bid for re-election in 2002 and was convicted on corruption charges in 2006.
Conyers also noted that other former White House officials have testified under subpoena in the past and have dealt with issues of executive privilege on a case-by-case basis. "Mr. Rove should follow the same course," he said.
Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, called the subpoena "a sham."
The Democratic-controlled Congress has been battling for months to force the White House to disclose information about the firing of the attorneys and the prosecution of Siegelman.
Current and former White House aides have refused to testify, citing executive

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 8:55:56 AM

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sounds like its still political,look who the 2 are prosecuting him for not testifying,,conyers(d),and sanchez(d) both in charge of judiciary,,,sounds like these attorneys should contact their union rep.., many people of high profile status have been fired thru every administration, for political reasons,,, nothing new,,but not always during an election year to make any notice

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 9:03:46 AM

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rove has been in trouble for three years, not just an election year.

if you or i would fail an order to testify, we would immediately be arrested.

i don't care what political team you belong to or what economic class you live in, the laws are for everybody. had this been conyers, and he refused, he should be arrested to. laws are for everyone whether it is an election year or not.

never cared for rove as he assigned God to the republican party. made it sound as though the were the party of evangelicals. not so, i think he was a punk, but it was a brilliant move to win the republicans seats and the presidency.

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 9:11:56 AM

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arent the liberals voting god into the whitehouse,, cure all problems with change,,no one sees it coming yet,,, again ,not defending ROVE,,just got to look how its not justice being done ,its another political farce, if it was the right doing this,they would be damned by the press and major media for being so low

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 11:06:16 AM

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The right DID do, it ( compell/supeona testimoney ) against Clinton, and the "press, and media" ate it up, rather than condemn. Damn, your memory is short.

The senate issued a valid supeona, and he didn't even show. Plain, and simple, he broke the law. The supreme court has never granted an "executive privilege" exemption in such cases. He will likely never be prosecuted, because the senate must turn prosecution over to the AG's office, And GEE, who appointed the AG?

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 11:14:13 AM

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that goes for all administrations,, as far as the testimony you mention , media never ate it up except for the fact that it was the rigt doing the subpeona,, not covered in a unbiased manner, major media never defends right,in no matter,, during clinton impeachment the right had to defend thier actions everyday against media,,not so for the clinton defense of the matter

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 11:53:24 AM

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sure, they made clinton look like he was mistreated (groan). btw, remember the two republicans who investigated him (in reference to your post above), it was gingrich and barr. they questioned clinton on his sexual misconduct while they both were having affairs at the time.

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 9:01:29 PM

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i think the difference was where it was being done,not that he was having an affair,, i just seen where MIKE VEON,pa state rep, is being indicted on many illegal activities,,, hell,i worked his canpaign for him, we grew up together, he was a DEM, hell i worked campaign trail for jimmy "the man " trafficant to,also (dem) , see guys i did have two sides of voting,, i vote the canidate not the party,,, anyhow he to is sitting in prison,, i helped frank lagratta (dem) he to just got nabbed for falsifying payroll checks,,, i am done working them campaigns,, i might be next

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 9:12:54 PM

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traficant was railroaded. he did something minor and paid for it with years in prison. when traficant was sheriff here in mahoning county and the mills closed, tens of thousands of mill workers were in jeporady of losing them homes. as sheriff, traficant was supposed to hand out the foreclosure papers. he refused and got into trouble. he was odd, eccentric maybe, but he had guts. the feds were after him forever after he defended himself and beat them. don't get me wrong, he broke the law and should have paid as any poor black or white man would, but there have been so many lately who have done much worse and nothing happened.

what i liked about traficant was his warnings about the chinese taking jobs from us long before it actually happened. he also warned about the chinese military build-up that would one day take place. he foresaw both.

btw, the feds are after his pension now. they destroyed the man, his health and family, and now they want money. if that is the case for breaking the law, clinton, rove, bush, cheney, that female dem. rep from north carolina, and ray nagin should all have to forfeit theres, along with a litany of others. everyone of them broke a law.

remember the infamous face shooting by cheney? he was drinking prior to going afield and then shot his bud in the face, and attempted to cover it up. had it happened to anyone of us here, we would have had to forfeit our weapon, lost hunting priveleges for two years and been fined. last i heard, nothing happened to him. above the law.

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RE: some are above the law...... - 7/11/2008 9:29:03 PM

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yes jimmy done a lot of good for the y'town area,, he tried hard for jobs,, i agree he was railroaded, but he fought the system in wash.,, they had it in for him,,, i met him at the tail end of his sheriff terms, great guy to know,, my father in law introduced him to me, from there i started helping him campaign, he was always greatful for the help,, nothing happened to cheney,like you said,we would be posting from our 10 by 10 cell right now,, yes many others should be his cell mate or at least neighbors,i agree rap

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