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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 7/31/2008 11:29:07 PM   
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you got that straight. chili cheese and onion are my favorite. chili cheese fries are also excellent. you and peacy should try the chili and cheese with the jelly he got you fellas. bet you guys have some wild times.

ok fat gay boy you get off on the **** you put on here. there's time to shut down you keep going you don't know what mite happen; word from the wise shut the f--k up gay fat boy if you know what's good for you  pucky kid fat boy . get a life and dream a little before it's to late. you know there 's a time and place for everybody and your at the end to it all . just suck your coke and keep your mouth fat lips out of it see you soon

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/1/2008 2:00:44 AM   
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this thread is stemmed from my post in the Freak accident fishing thread. Goby said something about illegal immigrants.

I said gotta love the subliminal racism.


If there was no hate we'd all be french or from philly or something.




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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/1/2008 6:39:49 PM   
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If anyone is missing it its all around this site.  I just think its ugly to say some of this sh-t on a fishing site hiding behind screen names.  I joke as much as anyone, but Im talking about much more than that being said on here.  If you dont care or dont see it fine, no sweat off my back.  Just ignorance piling up.  Makes us all look like a holes.  You even chastize me for caring about something that should be cared about.  Pretty dumb.  Talk about Philly all you want but the first day I went to college in Western PA I heard the N word more than I had in 10 years growing up there.  And where I went to school the only black guys were playing sports. 


Joe, I would never criticize you for caring. The is no doubt that racism exist, and not just white and black racism. I just think sometimes people are overly sensitive to these issues and I personally believe that widens the gap that already exist. JMO

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/1/2008 6:49:31 PM   
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One of the greatest things about Barak's campaign, is that it has taken away whatever relevance remained for Al, and Jessse. They are basically compelled to "support" him, but you can tell they are getting less, and less happy about it.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/1/2008 8:13:35 PM   
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One of the greatest things about Barak's campaign, is that it has taken away whatever relevance remained for Al, and Jessse. They are basically compelled to "support" him, but you can tell they are getting less, and less happy about it.


They are not happy because Al and Jesse's paychecks are not based on intelligent, free thinking black men or communities. If you ask me they have done more to hurt the black community in the last 15 years than anything or anyone else in this country.

You just might get me to cast a vote for Barak yet spoon

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/1/2008 8:28:00 PM   
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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/3/2008 8:14:59 PM   
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One of the greatest things about Barak's campaign, is that it has taken away whatever relevance remained for Al, and Jessse. They are basically compelled to "support" him, but you can tell they are getting less, and less happy about it.


Here is a question involving Racism.... Why are they "basically compelled to support him"????

Not judging your comment spoon, just think thats an interesting question...

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/3/2008 8:41:12 PM   
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One of the greatest things about Barak's campaign, is that it has taken away whatever relevance remained for Al, and Jessse. They are basically compelled to "support" him, but you can tell they are getting less, and less happy about it.



Here is a question involving Racism.... Why are they "basically compelled to support him"????

Not judging your comment spoon, just think thats an interesting question...


Tippy, I dont think its neccessarily a racist position.  Sharpton and Jackson are compelled to support him because they are both democrats. They dont like it because he did and is doing what they have been trying to do their entire careers, and that is, become THE historical, black figure that unites the black community and gets elected to the presidency. 
I dont think they are compelled because they share the same color of skin.  Who knows??

I think their racism is completely directed towards whitey.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/3/2008 8:51:35 PM   
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Well right there is a reason to vote Republican, I would never want to be in the same camp as Al or Jesse

I think that they are also compelled because he is a black man. You make some good points about their political careers, but I believe race is a part of it....

I think you were there for a conversation with Archie, (who happens to be a black man for the rest of you) when he said, " the brothers will vote for him because he is black". Is that not being racist, or at least short sighted????

Sorry, don't mean to take the post on a tangent...

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/3/2008 10:26:32 PM   
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I think Archies comment about blacks voting because Obama is black can be considered racist, and I generally agree that he was correct with that assessment.  
But, I dont think because Al and Jesse lean to the left is a reason to vote republican.   They are insignificant in the realm of politics, and their short lived attempts for the political life every four years only exemplifies the obviousness of their shallow and racists viewpoints.

I dont think they are compelled because Obama is black, I think that is a source of disdain towards Obama for them.  But they cant vote against him, or at least publicly denounce him, because they would be crossing party lines which would make them more irrelevant.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 1:35:39 AM   
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One of the greatest things about Barak's campaign, is that it has taken away whatever relevance remained for Al, and Jessse. They are basically compelled to "support" him, but you can tell they are getting less, and less happy about it.


What does this statement do to this thread other than politicize it? This was clearly aimed at my illegal immigrant remark and that is what it should be about. We are getting off on a tangent here, we must keep it true. Illegal immigrants who do not speak English and refuse to assimilate themselves into our country via taxes and language are hurting our healthcare,education, and economic systems. Stay on topic.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 7:58:18 AM   
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Goby,
we have moved off topic on just about every thread on this site, it happens.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 9:07:05 AM   
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gentlemen,
     I believe the biggest problem, like goby stated, is the failure of new immigrants, and especially illegals,  to assimilate or even attempt to assimilate into the fabric of America.  This has been a problem since America started.  There were times when you didn't want to be Irish, or Itialian, or German, or even worst a German Jew(who still congregate in areas of cities and try not to interact).
     The biggest problem is our government encourages people to NOT blend in.  We have sooo many programs designed to allow people to maintain their "heritage" and to not offend people that we don't want them to blend.
    As a good example:  When my grandfather came here from Germany, one of the first things he said was:  We are no longer Germans, Now we are Americans.  We will not speak German we will learn English.  And he made that a RULE, so much so that my dad never learned German from his own parents.  In one generation they assimilated.   It was rough for gramps and the family at first but the goal was achieved in 20 years.   Now days we have whole generations of people for whom English is still a second language, and our government goes way out of the way to accommodate them.
    Although it's unpopular, I am for English being the offical language of America.  And the only language.  I would disallow "anchor babies" and immediately deport any illegal found here.  There are ways to legally come into America and the laws were passed to keep out the people who would be a drain on our economy  (by our grandfathers).  Sometimes I think we need to look to history in order to learn.  "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes"

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 10:28:15 AM   
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Gpby,

The thread was about racism, and bigotry. Given that the Revs. Sharpton, and Jackson are two of the biggest perpetuators of racism in the public eye, their declining relevance, is relevant. If you listen to Obama's speeches, he acknowledges that racism still exists, but that African Americans cannot contunue to use that as an excuse for lack of personal responsibility for their condition.

The Revs. are not compelled to support him because he's black, and their black. But rather, because not supporting the first viable black candidate, would make their years of retoric seem disenguine.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 11:22:38 AM   
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As a good example:  When my grandfather came here from Germany, one of the first things he said was:  We are no longer Germans, Now we are Americans.  We will not speak German we will learn English.  And he made that a RULE, so much so that my dad never learned German from his own parents.  In one generation they assimilated.   It was rough for gramps and the family at first but the goal was achieved in 20 years.   Now days we have whole generations of people for whom English is still a second language, and our government goes way out of the way to accommodate them.
   Although it's unpopular, I am for English being the offical language of America.  And the only language.  I would disallow "anchor babies" and immediately deport any illegal found here.  There are ways to legally come into America and the laws were passed to keep out the people who would be a drain on our economy  (by our grandfathers).  Sometimes I think we need to look to history in order to learn.  "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes"



Indsguiz -

You make a great case on the illegal immigrants, as I am not for anyone entering this country illegally and staying, even born from illegal immigrants.

As for the immediate nationalization, remember that your grandfather was in the minority of people that did this back when most of our ancestors were immigrants.  I would imagine there are many new immigrants that attempt the same philosophy.  Many are successful, but others just don't have the ability to never stop speaking their native tongue, which I would imagine is about 99.9999% of immigrants from 1700 until present day.  People would want to believe that this is a new phenomenon, with the Hispanic rush of immigration.  Our country was built on immigrants.  This section of the country (Western PA) had more immigrants working the steel mills and coal mines than 2nd and 3rd generation citizens for a large part of history.  I can assure you, English was secondary in most neighborhoods and on the job, until a generation made it's way through.  The rest of the nation had the same.  I am not willing to turn my back on the system that gave my "DP" (displaced person) great grandparents the opportunity to avoid economic and political suppression of their homelands.  There needs to be a point where recourses and land restrict the amount of people.  There also needs to be enforcement of existing laws and regulations for immigrants.

Time is the only way to have an integration of nationalities.  If we were to eliminate Chinese, Spanish, French, so on, we wouldn't stand a chance in being the world leader in so many things that we are now.  Most of these "cultural" areas of our country that so many of our cities either have or once had, are very important to our economy and are what makes our nation so great.  Diversity in culture lends itself to many new products, engineering, styles, cuisine, ect. that would all but disappear if you would force a law on official language.

I can only speak English, and do feel rather alienated when I am in an Asian, Hispanic, Muslim ect. neighborhood, that I can not communicate.  I am in these communities a good bit, due to my work travels too.  Our ancestors very likely lived in communities that reflected their nationality (Polish Hill, Deuschtown, Little Italy, ect.).  In the neighborhoods that I work in, I can assure you that those in the first generation removed, are almost always speaking English first language when in public, as our parents and grandparents did (generation removed).  Most immigrants speak broken English as your grandfather and my great grandparents did, and usually speak their native tongue when around their immigrant friends and family, as most of our ancestors did.   I see no reason to have a LAW saying that people can't speak a different language than English, so basically we English speaking majority don't feel alienated in their communities.  I feel confident that English as the unofficial language of business and law, will always be strong.  Having a law saying English is the official language, is un-American.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 3:00:55 PM   
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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 6:01:13 PM   
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Wow.

I can't believe you haven't got the ban.


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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 6:04:03 PM   
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One of the greatest things about Barak's campaign, is that it has taken away whatever relevance remained for Al, and Jessse. They are basically compelled to "support" him, but you can tell they are getting less, and less happy about it.


What does this statement do to this thread other than politicize it? This was clearly aimed at my illegal immigrant remark and that is what it should be about. We are getting off on a tangent here, we must keep it true. Illegal immigrants who do not speak English and refuse to assimilate themselves into our country via taxes and language are hurting our healthcare,education, and economic systems. Stay on topic.


Sorry, lets get back on topic..... goby, you are a racist a$$hole. Is that better???

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 8:13:28 PM   
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Wow.

I can't believe you haven't got the ban.


I heard that from a black friend. He thought it was funny and so did I. I am not sensitive to racial jokes. I am Irish and Italian, I get it all the time from my co workers, and I give it back. It may be extream, but we all get along just fine. If we did not bust balls like we do Things would be very different.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 10:30:32 PM   
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Sorta off topic.... But I will be voting for Obama for my own political reasons... even thought I don't believe either canidate is truely going to make a difference...  but I also will be voting for him to get enjoyment out of pissing off closet racists in this country.  I can't even begin to explain half the stupid crap I've heard about Obama... Anything from "he swore in on the Koran", to "his middle name is Hussein".  The stupidity of American people never ceases to amaze me.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/4/2008 10:40:07 PM   
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Sorta off topic.... But I will be voting for Obama for my own political reasons... even thought I don't believe either canidate is truely going to make a difference...  but I also will be voting for him to get enjoyment out of pissing off closet racists in this country.  I can't even begin to explain half the stupid crap I've heard about Obama... Anything from "he swore in on the Koran", to "his middle name is Hussein".  The stupidity of American people never ceases to amaze me.

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People are stupid, . Black or white or blue, if they can do the job, they have my vote.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 9:23:10 AM   
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i say shoot em all,let god sort em out,,, never once said i disliked him for his color,,strictly his politics, he is further left than the most left liberal/dem, raising taxes on anybody right now is a bad move,for economy,job loss and job creation, thats why we have corp america jumping ship going overseas,

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 9:40:57 AM   
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i say shoot em all,let god sort em out,,, never once said i disliked him for his color,,strictly his politics, he is further left than the most left liberal/dem, raising taxes on anybody right now is a bad move,for economy,job loss and job creation, thats why we have corp america jumping ship going overseas,


Corporate America has been jumping ship for a long time, even with GW's tax breaks.  So how does Obama play into this???

Do you really believe your own BS or are you just trying to bait us into another useless discussion?

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 10:24:55 AM   
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inuk, obamas corp tax hike,windfall taxes, actually i can care less who you vote for, cant change damaged mines, if you feel your life will improve with obama ,then so be it, dont matter to me,none will make a big difference, if you are for enlarging a super govt which bush has started, vote obama, never met so many people that think taxation is the way to go,, not a founding fathers way of thinking thats for sure, like all liberal/dem policies, sounds like no one can fend for themselves,they want govt to take care of them ,, some must never left mommies care

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 11:03:00 AM   
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Sorta off topic.... But I will be voting for Obama for my own political reasons... even thought I don't believe either canidate is truely going to make a difference...  but I also will be voting for him to get enjoyment out of pissing off closet racists in this country.  I can't even begin to explain half the stupid crap I've heard about Obama... Anything from "he swore in on the Koran", to "his middle name is Hussein".  The stupidity of American people never ceases to amaze me.


tim, pretty good post.
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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 11:11:40 AM   
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'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 2:14:10 PM   
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inuk, obamas corp tax hike,windfall taxes, actually i can care less who you vote for, cant change damaged mines, if you feel your life will improve with obama ,then so be it, dont matter to me,none will make a big difference, if you are for enlarging a super govt which bush has started, vote obama, never met so many people that think taxation is the way to go,, not a founding fathers way of thinking thats for sure, like all liberal/dem policies, sounds like no one can fend for themselves,they want govt to take care of them ,, some must never left mommies care


First; you should go back and read your history, the Federalist such as John Adams and Alexander Hamiliton (both founding fathers) did impose taxes, that is one reason this country was able to maintain its independence.  
Second; Taxes are needed for the country to function.  Years of tax cuts with no responsibility in government spending is a dangerous combination. 
Third: Dont think that my mind is damaged because I lean towards Obama, and because I dont agree with all of your isolationist, extremist bull sh!t.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 2:19:14 PM   
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Thought better about what i posted. For  anyone who read it before i erased it, i apoligize. I wont stoop to that guys level.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 2:23:02 PM   
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hahaha. good post.

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RE: Racism/Bigotry - 8/5/2008 2:27:54 PM   
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Dont think i want to get into this.

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