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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 4:05:25 PM   
jonnyfishon

 

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jonjon, like with spoon,we say wheres the substance,well which version

rockrock, who friggin knows. Im mad that this administration could have, and should have looked out for us all, not the super rich. Im mad at all the administrations for the same thing. Democrats or republicans have failed us at different times. Right now , bush and dick are the pricks.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 4:08:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		al gore laughing all the way to the bank on bs,over global warming,,id be happy to if it was that easy,,not even a fight among the puppets

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 4:13:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		i said once before jonjon,i agree with you ,,i once had motel and bars,lost two thru the clinton yrs over his admin.policies,high taxes put on business,, reading these posts tho its like this sh--t never happened before, it always has,thru every admin.,

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 4:20:55 PM   
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al gore laughing all the way to the bank on bs,over global warming,,id be happy to if it was that easy,,not even a fight among the puppets

I dislike gore as much as bush. Go figure. The sky is falling.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 4:29:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		hahaha, good one jonjon, if you put both their minds together we would really be lost in lala land

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 4:49:13 PM   
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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 5:25:28 PM   
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Status: online 		"according to your numbers spoon,clinton yrs dropped with a repub house,strict on govt spending,and also seems like bushs numbers dropped also until dems took control"

Damn, you really CAN'T read. It dropped in EVERY year under Clinton Regardless of who held the congress. It INCREASED in EACH of Bush's 1st 3 years ( The Dems didn't take the congress untill 2007 ), and remained the same in 2007, as 2006. Even as it started to drop, in 2004-2005, it was STILL higher than what Clinton handed off to him.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 5:29:33 PM   
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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 5:56:46 PM   
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Status: online 		I apologize for the inference that you CAN'T read, Rock. However it is often apparent that either you HAVEN'T read something, or read only part ( the part you want to respond to ), and respond without reading the whole thing.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 6:23:05 PM   
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Status: online 		"but its funny you believe bush and his cronys can control the upward price by being in oil,how can he effect it one way but not the other,simple,cause he cant"

He may, be able to affect it the other way. But not by making a token ( political) gesture that doesn't drill a single new hole, or add a drop to the market. We HAVE cut consumption, we MIGHT, or might NOT increase production. It doesn't take a genious to know WHICH is having an impact on the market, now. Again, the people IN the market ( not political hacks ) say that reduced consumption is what drove the market down.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 7:01:21 PM   
jonnyfishon

 

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Status: online 		So what your saying is economics not fear is the reason for the gas prices. Makes sense.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 7:02:43 PM   
S-10

 

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 7:05:35 PM   
spoonchucker


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Kind of like telling folks who have lost their jobs, health insurance, homes, savings, etc. that it's all "psycological" quit your whinning.

< Message edited by spoonchucker -- 7/30/2008 7:06:31 PM >

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 7:06:10 PM   
jonnyfishon

 

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The way this market has been taking wild up and down swings at every little bit of news I'am not sure you or I couldn't do or say something to affect it.

If you get alot of yous an I's ,who knows?

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 7:15:48 PM   
jonnyfishon

 

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i said once before jonjon,i agree with you ,,i once had motel and bars,lost two thru the clinton yrs over his admin.policies,high taxes put on business,, reading these posts tho its like this sh--t never happened before, it always has,thru every admin.,

My uncle had a bar in yonkers and boomed during the clinton years, he ran the place well. A liquor lisenes in ny is hundreds of thousands of dollars, he still retired, sold the bar, made a gool living and lives a modest life. He blames clinton too, gladly.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 7:31:41 PM   
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Status: online 		Maybe less people felt the need to drown their sorrows under Clinton. Or had less sorrows to drown.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 8:00:49 PM   
jonnyfishon

 

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Maybe less people felt the need to drown their sorrows under Clinton. Or had less sorrows to drown.


They were drowning something. My uncle made out very well.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 10:51:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		see spoon,look at post i put on here above,those stats are from labor dept and commerce, like i said,the repub house helped the clinton yrs in his numbers,they kept tab on frivolous spending, my report is saying different numbers than yours,,,, jonjon,every admin. has the same disasters in the economy,your uncle one of few who did well under clinton,my business didnt along with many others in my area,high taxes and govt policies,and because the corp doing well now are not making your life easier,the admin. is the worse ever, see my life is same ,or even little better under this pres.,not cause of bush ,just cause its time in cycle for this part of economy,

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/30/2008 11:09:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		You must be in the oil business Rock. Everyone else is feeling the pinch now. Oil is at an all time high, that's must be why you're working 7 days a week as you say. The majority of people had it better under Clinton(he was weak on defense,horny,but good on the deficit). Do you work in the oil business in some sort of way? I wish I did now.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/31/2008 6:10:28 AM   
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Dear Mr. Nickle:

Thank you for taking the time to contact me about high fuel prices. I appreciate hearing from all Pennsylvanians about the issues that matter most to them.

I share your deep concern over the dramatic increase in the price we pay for gasoline, diesel and home heating oil. I'm working on a bipartisan basis to find solutions for short-term price relief and long-term energy solutions to help Pennsylvania families and protect our economy and national security. For this reason, I am grateful for the opportunity to receive your honest and candid comments about your experience with this issue. Such comments are invaluable as I consider specific ways that Congress can take action.

As you probably know, fossil fuel prices are determined largely by the price of crude oil, which is traded in an international market. Unfortunately, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) continues to practice cartel-style policies by artificially manipulating production levels. This sort of policy has been especially damaging in light of a rapidly increasing demand for oil from large developing countries like China and India. Also, instability and regional conflicts in the Middle East and South America have added significant volatility to an oil market in which the price of crude oil has risen from $26 to a high of over $140 a barrel during the last five years.

In light of these international forces affecting crude oil prices, there remain limited options for Congress to influence prices on the world market. In recent months, I have made it a priority to work with my colleagues in the Senate to find other ways of providing price relief. For example, while oil prices were beginning to set new records in April 2008, I called on President Bush to use all means at his disposal to pressure Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC to increase the supply of oil in order to lower gas prices. At the same time that the Saudis refused to open the spigots on their oil production, President Bush agreed to sell them advanced weapons technologies. I joined with my Senate colleagues to explore ways to block this arms sale unless oil production was increased.

Over the course of numerous Congressional hearings, many experts have reported that the forces of market supply and demand should produce a world price of oil as low as $80 per barrel. The fact that oil is trading at almost 75% over this level suggests to me that speculators are responsible for driving up the cost of oil as they try to profit from the pain that consumers are feeling at the pump. In a letter from June 16, 2008, I called on the Federal Trade Commission to investigate this problem. I have also supported efforts to crack down on speculators who can now evade regulation in so-called "dark markets" or on foreign-owned exchanges that trade U.S. commodities on U.S. trade terminals.

Finally, you may be interested to know that I introduced legislation on April 26, 2007 to help further spur our domestic fuels industry. S. 1238, the Energy Security and Corporate Accountability Act of 2007 closes tax loopholes for Big Oil and uses the savings to fund critically important renewable fuels research and infrastructure development. In addition, to provide more immediate savings to Pennsylvania families, the bill would include an excise tax on windfall profits amassed by major oil companies. The funds collected would then be used to create a new Low Income Transportation Energy Assistance Program to make gasoline more affordable while we continue to promote development of renewable fuels. Thus, the bill would both address our long-term strategy of reducing dependence on foreign oil and provide much needed short-term relief for those hardest hit by surging gas prices.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future about this or any other matter of importance to you.

If you have access to the Internet, I encourage you to visit my web site, http://casey.senate.gov. I invite you to use this online office as a comprehensive resource to stay up-to-date on my work in Washington, request assistance from my office or share with me your thoughts on the issues that matter most to you and to Pennsylvania.



Sincerely,
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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/31/2008 6:50:43 AM   
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bush's anouncement definately effected these price drops,so has the cut back in demand, your 10-20 yts before supply is bullsh--t, 6 months max for a few,some less than yr,, 10-20 yr wait is liberal talking point, and china and russia said no way cutting back, keep going full steam ahead,while we sit back do nothing,,hell they are drilling off our shores ,wheres GORE and the other greenie weenies, must be because they arent americans,we are the only one destroying the world enviro, china only cutback cause of olympics, then gun ho again,,what no one wants to admit is jan/2007,all hell broke loose,economy was cruising along ,slow but forward,gas was descent price,then the liberals took over,this is what we got today, so live with it, you wanted it ,you got it,


Sorry if I jumped in without reading other responses first but this is so rediculous that I  couldn't wait.
Firsrt of all what do you expect Gore to do? You are right they are not Americans. They are not doing it in our waters. Not even our sitting President or congress can do anything (other than start a war and I mean another real shooting war) to make them stop. It's not that we are the only one destroying the environment, it is that we are the only ones we can control and make do the right thing.
The government and the oil companies say it will take 10-20 years to get any of that oil on the market. First they do testing to see were they THINK oil might be 2-3 years, environmental impact studies 2-3 years then they openly bid for the rights 2-3 years, then they drill test wells (to find out if there really is oil there ) 2-3 years, then and only then, when and IF they find real oil, do they sink big money in and start real production drilling. Factor in some time to lay infastructure to get the pumped oil to refineries.
I'm guessing your plan is to drill a couple holes in the ocean floor to let the oil flood to the surface and then sqeegy it up and put it in your gas tank as is.

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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/31/2008 7:27:44 AM   
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see spoon,look at post i put on here above,those stats are from labor dept and commerce, like i said,the repub house helped the clinton yrs in his numbers,they kept tab on frivolous spending, my report is saying different numbers than yours,,,, jonjon,every admin. has the same disasters in the economy,your uncle one of few who did well under clinton,my business didnt along with many others in my area,high taxes and govt policies,and because the corp doing well now are not making your life easier,the admin. is the worse ever, see my life is same ,or even little better under this pres.,not cause of bush ,just cause its time in cycle for this part of economy,

What don't you get about Bush  (Rep) being in control of both houses of congress and the white house for the first 7 years of his presidency? Why didn't they keep Mr Bush's spending in check? Is it only wrong to spend more than they take in when it is for programs YOU don't believe?
Clinton leaves office with a surplus. It's all because of the Rep congess that he dealt with for his whole presidency. Bush runs up the biggest deficit in history and it's all the fault of the Dem being in control of conress for 1 year. Everything was rosy for those first 7 years when Rep was in control of both the congess and the white house and conress just mailed in the rubber stamp for anything Bush wanted. One year and the Dem destroyed it all even though Bush vetos all they send him.


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RE: gas prices dropped again - 7/31/2008 8:54:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		no no wboy,i blame bush for excessive spending,he and his repub buddies spend the hell out of our budget, what i am saying is then you got dems that want to increase our debt by enlarging govt thru more taxation and new govt programs,,, we dont need more govt,we need less govt,, as for offshore drilling,we should have been doing this for yrs, bush 1,clinton,all put a moratorium on drilling,,see whereit got us, if you know of another energy source that is available now or sooner than 10 or 20 yrs ,then let us know about it,,there is no other source, so insread of complaining about it,lets get what we know is out there,, china and russia arent waiting,they are drilling and leaving us behind, yes bush vetos all new tax bills,which he should, we dont need more taxes,,,, goby,i work for a company that supplies oil and gas co. with the products they need to drill and deliver product,

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