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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/28/2008 11:27:51 AM

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As for the Joyce foundation. There mission goes far beyond "gun control", in fact they are far more focused on other social issues. Most of their efforts have been geared toward pushing for more reliable data collection of crime, and violence trends, rather than advocating particular solutions ( gun control laws ).

Take a look at their website, and their OVERALL agenda. It is easy to see why someone in the Chicago area with political aspirations, might want to be associated with them.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/28/2008 11:50:41 AM

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Pretty intersesting stats. OTH

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/28/2008 12:50:42 PM

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Pa gun law http://paopencarry.org/

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/28/2008 1:14:25 PM

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Joyce Foundation-gives millions each year to fund what they call gun violence issues--Go to web, click on Joyce foundation and click on gun violence to review six pages of who gets their money. Then for kicks and giggles reaserch the receptients and what they do with it and make up your own mind.---Mayor Daley was outraged by the Superme courts decision on gun rights and vowed to do everything he could to circumvent it. Obama Was on Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation for eight years and thinks we just cling to our guns because of troubled times and he can improve our times. Guess he thinks then we won't need them anymore. Yep--Spoons right---they all have the same agenda and I can see why Obama would fit right in. Must be a Chicago thing.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/28/2008 1:20:07 PM

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Yup,

I couldn't for the life of me understand why folks in Chigao would be interested in adressing gun violence. Since there is SO little of it there.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/28/2008 1:46:20 PM

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Maybe they should send someone down to Kennesaw Georgia to see how to reduce crime without infringing on the rights of gun owners.

BTW-- got it--understand it--my experiences are the opposite.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/28/2008 1:54:40 PM

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Doubling the number of cops on the street, might be a good solution as well. Of course we wouldn't want to raise taxes to pay for it though.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 9:02:47 PM

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How ya been Spoonie? Sorry, just logged on quickly and didn't read the whole argument but I just wanted to add something that came to mind. Law abiding people are just that. Law abiding people. More laws against gun ownership no matter what the context (one gun a month, yada yada, yada, that gun looks too scary, yada, yada, yada, no one needs a gun like THAT, yada, yada, yada) only affect law abiding people. Bad people don't abide by laws. Seems pretty simple to me. The speed limit is 65 mph but automobiles are sold everyday that far excede that. I think cars should be outlawed from state and federal parks because some dipshit who can't drive will sooner or later hurt somebody. And to think driving isn't a constitutional right. wow, interesting what some people think. Maybe this rant doesn't apply to this post but I just thought I'd toss it in. See ya...

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 10:42:16 PM

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Bad people don't abide by laws. Seems pretty simple to me. The speed limit is 65 mph but automobiles are sold everyday that far excede that. I think cars should be outlawed from state and federal parks because some dipshit who can't drive will sooner or later hurt somebody. And to think driving isn't a constitutional right. wow, interesting what some people think. Maybe this rant doesn't apply to this post but I just thought I'd toss it in. See ya...

WELL SAID. Cars kill more people than guns(In the us) maybe if you raise the price of gas, you"ll have less murders, I mean death.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 10:56:47 PM

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Maybe all you Texas rangers should just go back to riding horses and then you wouldn't have to worry about getting hit by a car. Y'all would look a lot better on a horse with that sidearm anyhew.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 11:07:16 PM

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Why do you care if a law abiding sitizen carries a gun? You anti-gun folk are rediculous. The second amendment gaurentees the right to bear arms...I carry regardless of of where I am. Rapscallion, you are the definition of all that is wrong with this country.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 11:13:21 PM

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Never said I care if a law abiding citizen carries a gun. Never said I care if anybody carries a gun. All I said if you were capable of reading, was comparing car deaths to gun deaths is about as good a comparison as comparing liberals to conservatives. In other words, there is no comparison.
Now if you want to really talk about what is wrong in this country, then keep posting.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 11:32:25 PM

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What you be sum kind of genus? Donut talk ovur our heads. We is not as smarts as yous an like to rides horses.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 11:37:09 PM

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I think you missed the point. Its not about cars and gun death comparison, bad drivers kill people, bad people shoot people, and then there are accidents. Don't take my gun rights away.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/29/2008 11:44:00 PM

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Thanks you Jonny, I gits in nows! Rapscallopion you be is to smarts fer us. Please talks down to our level of intelogince.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 3:32:55 PM

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Again, it was a lousy analogy. That's the point. Sleep with your 45. Just leave it home it when you go into a national park.

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I think you missed the point. Its not about cars and gun death comparison, bad drivers kill people, bad people shoot people, and then there are accidents. Don't take my gun rights away.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 3:41:19 PM

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Fair enough rap, but my fear is where does it end. No in the parks, where I really want a gun. Are they going to take more rights away.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 3:43:16 PM

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guns dont kill people,people kill people, cars dont kill people ,people kill people, i think that does fit in comparison,jonjon and company are right on this one, gun rights shouldnt even be an issue

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 4:56:02 PM

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If guns don't kill people, then why in the world would you want one as protection? Just use your bare hands against the bad guys and kill them that way.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 5:03:44 PM

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because with me holding that gun,it makes it people killing people,

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 5:12:04 PM

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And if you weren't holding it maybe the chances of people killing people would lessen just a bit.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 6:02:59 PM

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Im worried about a bear or lion in the parks .

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 7/31/2008 6:10:32 PM

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And if you weren't holding it maybe the chances of people killing people would lessen just a bit.

I think he means if somebody who is a little nuts wants to shoot him, he can defend himself. He would have a better chance with a gun instead of Kung foo. Its our right to bear arms, and protect ourselves.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 8/1/2008 2:42:47 PM

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Thanks for the Texas Ranger comparison rapscallion. I resemble that remark! Anyways, spent 2 great years in Houston, TX and doing work there again. I always feel comfortable down there knowing that many of the men and women walking around are more than likely carrying and will not hesitate to use their weapons to defend themselves or someone else in trouble. By the way, legal to use deadly force in Texas to defend life AND PROPERTY.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 8/3/2008 1:30:37 PM

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Random Opinions:

1. "Well regulated Militia..." In my opinion, while there seems to be a right to bear arms, I also believe that the right should be "well regulated."

A. EVERYONE should take a firearms course and have to repeat it every so often. Too many f**ksticks out there own a handgun and have no clue as how to handle it or safely clean it. My former students at the insitution I taught at took a firearms course, and I slept easier at night knowing that these folks were well-trained in safe firearm handling.
B. Once a person fails the written or the firing aspects of the course, their right to bear arms should be denied FOREVER. No second chances.
C. Course should be taken for each firearm the person buys. They need to demonstrate they know how to safely handle/clean/ and fire each firearm they own.

2. My right, and my family's right to be safe trumps ANY right to bear arms. See 1A. Data indicates that for every 5 shots fired from a semi-automatic weapon, 1 hits the intended target. There is a lot of rounds flying out there!

3. The Kansas City Experiment, and others since then, suggests that offering more police officers on the streets does little, if anything, in reducing crime. Furthermore, the fear of crime in those areas that received an increase in police patrols, was not reduced. Rather than throwing more officers and more money at the problem, efficiency, effectiveness, and productivity needs to be enhanced. In sum, better management, not increased numbers might be a better angle.

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 8/4/2008 12:47:52 AM

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Random opinions:

1. To what extent are "well regulated" rights?
A. See line B from above to prove that everyone would not be included even if they failed a test at 12 years old just to go hunting with dad. The idea of qualifying is just that,paper target not real life and is not a true test of judgement.
B. No response necessary.
C. Each one? What if someone owns 50 guns since that is possible in our society now? Major overkill. There is a video of a police officer shooting himself in the leg/foot in front of a class of students to prove the safety of firearms by a well trained person.

2. Then do not purchase a firearm if you so choose.

3. Totally agree with you Grendel.

Haven't seen any major moves by your team. How are the Sabres going to fare this year in your opinion?

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 8/4/2008 10:04:51 AM

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Goby,

I know...my "offerings" are FAR from even being remotley acceptable, but I also believe that Pennsylvania is a little too liberal in its allowing a person to purchase and carry a firearm solely on the premise of having a "clean record." No wonder very few states recognize PA's CCP.

I was referring to handguns when I mention firearms - I understand that kids have a tough time keeping the .22 on paper. I shot competition rifle in high school - that little test was no problem for me.

I have viewed that video you speak of, and have been in a gun shop when a customer shot off an "empty" firearm. It was their own and not that of the business. Scared the you know what out of those inside. At least having some training is better than none; even if it means going through 50 times. Overkill - perhaps - but what is the price of one life?

Not sure of my team. I just look forward to the season and hope they are "competitive." I want the black/white colors back!

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RE: Concealed carry in Nat'l Parks - rule change - 8/4/2008 3:09:32 PM

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Grendel, I agree. You should 100% have to take a course on gun saftey and operation, Period. In fact , I think it should be a hard test, you fail , no gun for you. There are a lot of stupid people in this world, the last thing is giving a gun to the stupid.

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