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RE: our energy program - 7/22/2008 9:24:03 PM   
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no pork, i dont complain about 4.00/gal,,my posts are about why YOU are paying it, if you dont like paying it ,its the dems holding that price there,,,yes they are a tax and spend party,same as bush a big spender but without the tax increase,,, true CB, when that technology is widely available,but its not, japan is sending like 200 cars of the future to calif. for a lease program, reason only for a lease and only 200 ,is the fact to build 1 of these cars cost nearly 1million /dollars,, not quite affordable yet, 

SO YOUR IN THE "MIDDLE" Give me a break. SO TAX and spend our money or borrow spend , borrow ,spend, kill the dollar, spend .Your republicans are the banks that gave out subprime loans ,The democrats are the banks that played it safe .the dems are still robing,wisely. So bush gives you a couple of bucks(tax breaks), and cost you much more(and still climbing). Tax= civilization .No Tax=no civilization.

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RE: our energy program - 7/22/2008 9:44:17 PM   
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jonny, not my repubs, actually the rates were dropped during the clinton yrs,to boost home sales,even tho knowing these borrowers couldnt afford it,,,, also , no tax= more money to pour into economy and markets, tax=less money to spend in economy and markets,,, taxation helps no one but govt spending, we hear govt has surplus,well if they do than we are overtaxed,govt should never have even a dollar profit,it is not a business, hard for some of you to understand that, social programs were never meant to be supported by taxpayers, thats why we have charities, you have a right to medical,but not at the expense of others,you have the right to education,but not at the expense of others, you have a right to own a home,but not at the expense of others,, social programs go against these rights in thinking it is the responsibility of some to pay for others,that is not freedom,,, that is socialism,if you feel you deserve this thinking than you need to move to a country where this type of social thinking is approved

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RE: our energy program - 7/22/2008 10:10:20 PM   
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Depends on what your goal is.

For a short-term economic stimulus, it is a good thing. It keeps funds in the private sector, and is not a dead-weight.

For the long term, it reduces the amount of revenue the feds take in, which creates a deficit. This deficit has to be paid back, plus interest. Good times a comming.

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 12:04:59 AM   
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oil companies new motto........drill it and cap it.

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 12:17:28 AM   
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That motto's not new,they've been capping wells in the central US for decades.Waiting for the prices to get REAL high to cash in.We'll see all the NEW oil all of a sudden appear in the next ten years and some politicans will take credit for turning around the economy from a downturn to a standstill.

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 9:44:28 AM   
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gobe, they just drilled three natural gas wells within two miles of me.  all three were capped.  gas company said so.  

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 9:52:42 AM   
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man those guys have been capping wells so dam long the caps rust off and they have to re do the well

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 10:19:05 AM   
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If i had unlimited funds to get a job done, you best bet id get it done in a hurry...the oil companies pretty much have an unlimited supply of income that rolls in daily from all over the world.  If they wanted to do something, they could...Right now they are trying to get their boy Bush to give them more US lands so they can occupy and operate on even more US soil than they currently are.

We went after Microsoft for being a monopoly, and we still have companies like mac, as well as other various softwear companies who still exhist and make money....Yet we have done nothing to oil companies for buying up ideas, killing the electric car, infulencing government officials, ruining the world economy, and charging whatever they want to consumers......Kinda sad...Bill Gates at least builds hospitals and donates to charity with his billions...

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 11:02:43 AM   
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Once you drill the well and find the gas you cap them off until you have distrubution lines and other support functions in place. You will be seeing a lot of that in Pennsylvania now that they have developed the technology to tap into the deep gas in the state. Still have to get right a ways for the lines, lay the lines, build plants, etc.

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 5:41:59 PM   
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oil companies have unlimited supply of oil, where you come up with this CB, ONE THING FOR SURE BUSH,has no say in the oil business, exxon doesnt even crack top ten in world oil market, but you know the good ticker CB, your dems want to tax only 2 us owned oil companies and give a pass on citgo,(chavez,venezuela) saudi oil,canadian oil and all foreign oil  from paying a fedaral cap tax,,makes sense since your govt is trying to destroy U.S. business,,,,bush has about as much say on price as you do,,, market determines gas,and if they make big profits ,so be it ,they sell alot of product and pay 100's of billions in taxes also, goby and rap, these wells are capped till winter,no demand for nat gas right now, GB,you think oil doesnt do their share of charity, their stock goes into millions of pension plans in this country

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 6:27:50 PM   
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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 7:19:50 PM   
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How do you figure the oil company stock going into pension plans is charity????? Do you really think for one minute they just GIVE that stock to the pension plans???? If that is indeed what yoiu believe, you're dumber than I give you credit for!!!!

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 7:21:53 PM   
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sorry s10 but that has been going on scince my grandfather they drill and cap the pressure is checked and then it goes from there many of gas roads in pa and ohio i have f wells in less than 1mile some are caped and some are used i also have oil close to the surface and also they have said here is your gas alotment and you pay for anymore i say there just greed if you think im wrong in west virg they bought mineral rights for say a couple of bags of grain years ago and now are kicking peeps off there land and the goverment is letting it happen its called mountain top mineing my guess 80%of all peeps do not have meneral rights  gas/oil sold off and if they want it its theres

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 9:09:47 PM   
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     JACK ,THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY

The data show that ownership of industry shares is broadly middle class, with the majority of industry shares held by institutional investors, often on behalf of millions of Americans through mutual funds, pension funds and individual retirement accounts.”,,,,,, that is what i was talking about jack, also charity donations,my fault for not post ALSO 

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 9:24:39 PM   
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They don't need to put more gas in the system than we are using and we have never run out. You need to keep some wells closed off in reserve until needed due to cold weather or older wells losing pressure. In new fields you have to lay the transmission lines and build the infrastructure to support the wells before moving the gas.

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RE: our energy program - 7/23/2008 10:28:29 PM   
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Rock,I was talking about oil wells,not gas wells. It is unreal that a self-proclaimed moderate would be worried about the tax on the two American oil companies when they are ALL making record profits. No way Bush doesn't have a say in world oil prices. He is only was a former oil man,employs oil men in his cabinet,and is buddy-buddy with the big oil companies for the last 8 years. I never asked for charity,if we all would have known the cost associated with our pension funds(i.e. speculators in the market to drive up our pensions) influencing the economy which you say is great(most others disagree),we would all be better off. I have lost 8% since beginning of the year. I bet Cheney is the one who though this up, Bush isn't smart enough. I am getting to the point I don't want to respond to your view anymore to be respectful. I really can't understand your Limbaugh views on the world,are you a millionaire? Because that would explain it.

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RE: our energy program - 7/24/2008 3:13:46 PM   
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And we didn't drill a single new hole in Alaska.


NEW YORK - Oil market investors tried but failed to start a rally in crude Thursday, leaving prices hovering below $125 a barrel.
Many energy traders are concerned that the weakening U.S. economy is hurting demand. Analysts say that is helping keep oil prices from racing back higher.
Light, sweet crude for September delivery rose 12 cents to $124.56 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

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The day's gains followed a sharp drop on Wednesday, when oil tumbled $3.98 to settle at $124.44 a barrel, its lowest finish since June 4. Crude has fallen in six of the previous seven sessions, and is now trading nearly 15 percent below its peak above $147 a barrel earlier this month.
In overnight trading, oil rose as high as $126.01 as some investors tried to see if the market had reached a bottom and could rebound. But the gains couldn't hold amid a growing belief that falling demand does not justify the recent high price. Americans used 2.4 percent less fuel over the past four weeks than they did last year, the latest figures by the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration show. While that may not sound like much, industry experts say it represents a significant shift by the world's largest energy consumer. A bigger-than-expected increase in gasoline supplies only added to concerns that drivers are cutting back. "We've grounded airplanes. People are driving less," said James Cordier, president of Tampa, Florida-based trading firms Liberty Trading Group and OptionSellers.com. "For the foreseeable future — at least for the next 6 to 12 months — we have demand destruction." Cordier predicted prices could yet drop further, with oil possibly falling as low as $110 a barrel by September. A modestly stronger dollar helped keep prices in check Thursday, by discouraging traders who had been buying commodities as a hedge against inflation and a softer greenback. "More than any other factor, a strong dollar would help take the air out of this market," editors at energy consultancy Cameron Hanover noted in their daily market commentary.

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RE: our energy program - 7/24/2008 5:08:24 PM   
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spoon,that price drop ,as you would think is because of the possibility we will drill our own,many foreign oil co. will do that drop to make it unprofitable to drill here when you can buy from them cheaper,,,this was a point i made many times in past,,, if the saudis feel they will loose revenue and sales they will drop price,,,goby, so tax only our co.'s and not others that sell their product here in the U.S.,,thats real bright,your the one thats hard to respond to with respect thinking like that,,, your idea is tax our way out of this mess, well when they start hit you up with higher taxes dont complain at the pump,, just heard today,feds want to raise gas tax another .40 by end of year

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RE: our energy program - 7/24/2008 6:01:31 PM   
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"spoon,that price drop ,as you would think is because of the possibility we will drill our own"

That is NOT what's happening, and not at all what the article refers to. I really question whether you ever actually READ something, before responding.

"A bigger-than-expected increase in gasoline supplies only added to concerns that drivers are cutting back. "We've grounded airplanes. People are driving less," said James Cordier, president of Tampa, Florida-based trading firms Liberty Trading Group and OptionSellers.com. "For the foreseeable future — at least for the next 6 to 12 months — we have demand destruction."

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RE: our energy program - 7/24/2008 7:06:32 PM   
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i read it spoon,but also the threat of us drilling our own helps in that drop,,, i do believe the value of the dollar is helping also,spoon,, that was a reason for the high prices,to a point cause of the lower dollar value,,,

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RE: our energy program - 7/24/2008 10:44:21 PM   
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spoon,that price drop ,as you would think is because of the possibility we will drill our own,many foreign oil co. will do that drop to make it unprofitable to drill here when you can buy from them cheaper,,,this was a point i made many times in past,,, if the saudis feel they will loose revenue and sales they will drop price,,,goby, so tax only our co.'s and not others that sell their product here in the U.S.,,thats real bright,your the one thats hard to respond to with respect thinking like that,,, your idea is tax our way out of this mess, well when they start hit you up with higher taxes dont complain at the pump,, just heard today,feds want to raise gas tax another .40 by end of year


In no way was I implying more taxes for gas. My point was that there are shenanigans going on between the gov't and the big oil companies for many years now which have led us to this recession we are in. You're right,they should either tax all of them equally or not at all. The capped oil wells for decades is what I was mentioning.

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RE: our energy program - 7/24/2008 11:48:26 PM   
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rock, the drop is attributed to greater supply on hand due to the fact that americans are not driving as much.  this has been a hot topic the last week.  even if we okayed drilling in the anwr, it would be years, (so the oil companies say) before it would impact our supply.  next weeks hurricanes and civil unrest in africa may allow speculators to jump the price, but not something that is years away.

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RE: our energy program - 7/25/2008 6:10:57 PM   
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goby,before you accuse,do you know why those wells are capped,do you have an inside line,,,wouldnt be cause not profitable as once thought but could be used for backup, many reasons why they capped,, funny how we are left behind in this energy war,,russia is now the largest oil owning nation in the world,buying it all up as close to our shores as possible,,china right behind them,they asked russian oil czar if they had other energy technology in the works,their answer,nope ,we want all fossil fuels we can get,that is our energy,

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RE: our energy program - 7/25/2008 6:15:36 PM   
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funny how everyone on here got the answer to why prices are high and why it doesnt make sense to drill,, talk about speculaters,,this govt of our country got a lot of mindless robots running around here believing in everything they throw at ya,,global warming,,no need to drill,climate change,america is the cause of the worlds problems, we need tio cut back on our lifestlyes,,,well you go ahead,i still have my freedoms and i will use them as i see fit,,no govt will stop me from what i feel is my right

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RE: our energy program - 7/25/2008 7:11:34 PM   
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Rock,

Have a great day.

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RE: our energy program - 8/4/2008 3:48:48 PM   
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For the "Fearful of Global Warming" crowd. The world is being polluted by ALL countries. With China and India becoming the largest polluters. But this issue isn't who the largest polluters are, but who the cleanest producers are. In this regard, it is undoubtedly the United States. We have so many oversight groups and environmental laws, that we are by far the best equipped to produce oil with the least amount of risk to the environment. So who would you rather produce the oil we use? A country that has no interest or inclination to protect the environment or the U.S. where we really do try to do things in a way that will not harm the environment. Also...a side benefit of producing our own oil, as several others have stated...IT BENEFITS OUR ECONOMY!!!, instead of some third world dictator that gets his jollies by targeting the infidels and killing their own people, all the while keeping them living in squaller while he lives in palaces.

There are just too many negatives to staying on the track we are.

We need to drill everywhere we can and produce as much oil as we can to serve our nation's needs, and at the same time focus on developing alternative energies through incentives rather than penalties.


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RE: our energy program - 8/4/2008 5:52:07 PM   
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JONJON,YOU AGREED WITH ME,WOW, all joking aside,that is a big factor,helping our economy,jobs,just keeping billions here instead of giving it to some sheik,or dictater who laughs on every gal/gas we buy from them,,, our enviro tech,is most likely safest in world,,,, until we have a alternative fuel,we need our old faithful,oil,to keep our economy going,,,,if we dont go after it,others will,,,, conserving is a personal matter,you want to ,go ahead,but the rest of the world is passing you by,,,,pelosi on friday and the rest of dems,shut down the house and left for a 5 week vacation without a energy bill,the repubs were still there and told by pelosi to leave,there will be no vote,well the repubs are back again today on monday calling for a emergency session,the dems and pelosi thumbed their nose at the notion, they dont care what you go thru, the major media calling it political pandering by the repubs,well so it is. at least they didnt walk off the job,,, you whiners out there on gas prices,will still vote dems and deserve to get what you voted for, i myself and over 60% of america are seeing the true agenda of the liberal party, they dont care about what its people are going thru, they talk a mean game but their actions friday showed what they are, they left their people dry,, now i work with a majority of demss,all tho undecided on pres.,i have made many of them to actually look at the picture,who is screwing who, and many have vowed not to vote dem in either house, one guy bashing bush for our problems,well i told him,stop and look at it ,,when did prices and economy really start falling apart,not until dems took control, many have said thanks ,never seen it that way

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RE: our energy program - 8/4/2008 8:45:54 PM   
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JONJON,YOU AGREED WITH ME,WOW, all joking aside,that is a big factor,helping our economy,jobs,just keeping billions here instead of giving it to some sheik,or dictater who laughs on every gal/gas we buy from them,,, our enviro tech,is most likely safest in world,,,, until we have a alternative fuel,we need our old faithful,oil,to keep our economy going,,,,if we dont go after it,others will,,,, conserving is a personal matter,you want to ,go ahead,but the rest of the world is passing you by,,,,pelosi on friday and the rest of dems,shut down the house and left for a 5 week vacation without a energy bill,the repubs were still there and told by pelosi to leave,there will be no vote,well the repubs are back again today on monday calling for a emergency session,the dems and pelosi thumbed their nose at the notion, they dont care what you go thru, the major media calling it political pandering by the repubs,well so it is. at least they didnt walk off the job,,, you whiners out there on gas prices,will still vote dems and deserve to get what you voted for, i myself and over 60% of america are seeing the true agenda of the liberal party, they dont care about what its people are going thru, they talk a mean game but their actions friday showed what they are, they left their people dry,, now i work with a majority of demss,all tho undecided on pres.,i have made many of them to actually look at the picture,who is screwing who, and many have vowed not to vote dem in either house, one guy bashing bush for our problems,well i told him,stop and look at it ,,when did prices and economy really start falling apart,not until dems took control, many have said thanks ,never seen it that way

This is where your brain stops working. The economy by no way fell apart because of democratic control. Its very clear that the last 7 years have been the driving force for our economic woes. Did you ever think that the dems and republicans are on the same page with oil, but they have to play good cop, bad cop to please us. Like I said before , I dont like either party, but to blame democrats for the position were in , Is just plain DUMB. Its obvious that you views against the left has blurred any real reasoning. Its blinded you to the point that you cant see the obvious. In all likelyhood , it would be better for the country If the democrats win the election, history has shown this. I do not like the enviormental bs from the dems , It hurts everyone,that we agree, but if you really think that all our troubles is because of the democrats controlling the house, then you are too far gone, and cant be saved.  

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RE: our energy program - 8/5/2008 9:13:44 AM   
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first 5 yrs of steady growth, last 2 yrs ,still growth just at snails pace, still no recession,just a blip in our economy that will work itself out, as far as both parties in bed with each other,i strongly believe that, plus i can never honestly say i was better off under a dem pres.,or congress, under one now, but with a liberal/repub as pres.

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RE: our energy program - 8/5/2008 3:53:26 PM   
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first 5 yrs of steady growth, last 2 yrs ,still growth just at snails pace, still no recession,just a blip in our economy that will work itself out, as far as both parties in bed with each other,i strongly believe that, plus i can never honestly say i was better off under a dem pres.,or congress, under one now, but with a liberal/repub as pres.

Steady artificial growth. Its like someone using credit card to appear rich. Sooner or later you gonna have problems. Making everything look dandy by spend ,spend ,spend . Your in the oil buiness, thats why you dont like democrats or liberals. If its good for oil, its good for rock. Stop it already, your giving me GAS.

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