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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 4:45:39 PM   
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I think similar to big tobacco, casinos will eventually be seen for what they are, a drain on local economies rather than the solution.


youre in your own sheltered world. do yourself a favor and get out more.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 5:41:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		What would be an interesting study would be the economic impact of gambling, not for the amount of money it brings into the state and the gambling casinos, but on the cost to the people who are gambling.  What does it cost them?  What is the cost to society to deal with the problems gambling causes?  I cannot imagine sitting in a gambling casino smoking for hours a day can be good for your health.  This translates into higher health costs.  What about people who are spending too much gambling and end up short when it comes to covering their bills? 

I am not suggesting that we should close down the casinos, but they are not totally benign and if we do a cost benifits study we may see that gambling costs society more than we think.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 6:00:45 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 8:03:13 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 8:11:31 PM   
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Status: online 		True Carpin, but not everyone has the ability to exercise that will responsibley. Even that, is fine enough, IF they ALONE suffer the consequences. Unfortunately this is often not the case.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 8:49:00 PM   
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I know, from the beginning of time,THE APPLE!!!!  LOL

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 10:53:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I exercised some free will and walked out, after taking out gas money, ciggie money, and dinner about $140 ahead in a little over 2 hours tonight.


I like to people watch and casino's are a really good place to do that at.

You have about 4 general types of slots players:

Those, like me, that go in with a set amount of money they're willing to lose, and leave once they do that.

Those that go in and put $30 in a penny or nickle machine and sit there playing 1 or 2 lines for hours on the same machine.

The retirees that will go in and blow about $500 in 5 or 6 hours before leaving.

Then there's those that go in and establish a credit line on their players card and play.


Card players are a whole different creature.

Most don't go in with less than $50 and sit at a table, then leave.

Most go in with the idea of sitting there for hours, thus they usually take enough money to do so.


I've sat and watched little old men, and women, throw hundred dollar bills at dealers like they're handing out candy at halloween.


I did see something that really surprised me tonight. Well not really surprised, but more sickened me.

As we were waiting for our car to come thru valet a guy was outside trying to get his daughter's credit card company to cash advance him  some money. To hear him arguing with the person on the other end was a wild spectacle. He kept arguing that he was on the card with her and they had to do it. At one point he told his wife they are calling her to see if she'll approve it since she is the first name on the card.  About 2 minutes later he flung his phone into the pavement because his daughter apparantly told them no to the request. As we were getting in the car to leave he was on his wife's phone screaming at his daughter about it.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 10:57:16 PM   
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Guess the male slut did the trick tonight eh?

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 11:10:01 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 11:13:39 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 11:17:24 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 11:34:35 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 12:51:42 AM   
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That story was a sad example of how people addicted to gambling can become. I am sorry you had to witness that and I feel even worse for his daughter. Casinos are not all good and the sooner people realize this the better.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 1:38:10 AM   
gobyking

 

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Status: offline 		Hey Track,you're throwing my odds for this thread into a tailspin. 

I online bet and have not put my family or livelyhood in jeopardy ever,in fact I'm up a lot in the last two years since I started. I only do $1-2 bets on 10-12 team parlays for football and occasionally hockey which the lines are terrible. Am I a degenerate gambler? No I'm not fudging the number to say what I won vs. what I lost,real stats won $18k,lost $2k. I don't go to casinos because I don't see the point in it,just my view.

You're right in that some people have a problem with it,but it is not mine IMO. Gambling in casinos will be in many states in the next few decades,it is inevitable. Who cares. Like someone said earlier,there will always be the taxes,booze,prostitution,and gambling and if your not in it good for you.

Can't wait to bet against the Steelers this year,they will probably go 10-6 if they are lucky and make the playoffs. But Vegas odds favor them in more cases than not,except against the Pats. As for the Pats,the only competition this year will be from the Chargers,Colts,and Steelers. Look for a 14-2 season but take the over on the line early, under after mid-season. Hope this helps you.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 9:04:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		kevin's post about the guy screaming into the phone reminds me of an old friend who overcame drug and alcohol addictions but slid back in.  last any of us saw him was on the way to work one morning.  he was pounding on the doors of a dark, closed bar screaming to be let in.  he died a few years later of an overdose.

nothing wrong with a beer, a cardgame, or some craps.  all in fun.  when the line is crossed and it becomes an addiction, it becomes gut-wrenching and sad to see.  not only is the life of the addict mangled, but all those who are close or love him or her are also ripped apart.  i have seen it close up and the scars last forever for all close to the problem.

that being said, i have a question.  if a bartender or a casino dealer suspects that someone may be addicted, desperate or has gone too far, do they have a moral obligation to shut that person off?  i have seen bartenders feed a drunk more booze when it is obvious that the drinker is a danger.  as for dealers, is it possible to spot a desperate gambler, one who may be addicted?

keep in mind that i have never been in a casino and haven't been in a bar in decades.  (i have nothing against alcohol, love a good canadian that smells like skunk-pee).  

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 9:51:19 AM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 2:02:52 PM   
jackq

 

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I don't know about the dealer question, but in PA. it is highly illegal for a bar tender to serve a visibly intoxicated person. Big fine and depending on the circumstances, possible loss of license for the owner.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 2:33:04 PM   
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That's true, but "visibly intoxicated" is a rather ambiguous term, and the law is seldom enforced, unless the patron is involved in an accident, or other serious incident ( AFTER the fact ). Lawsuits against tavern owners have resulted in them being more compliant, but only slightly. Go to almost any bar, and unless the person is unruly, passes out, or stumbling all over, they will continue to be served. I know in my case, I spent many hours sitting stoicly on my stool ordering drink after drink. I may not have fit the definition of "visibly intoxicated", but just by the volumn I consumed, the bartender had to know that I was well past intoxicated by ANY legal standard. Then there is the situation where one person goes to the bar, to bring round back for the whole table. One in the group can BE "visibly intoxicated" , but the bartender has little to no interaction with him to be able to determine that.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 3:01:47 PM   
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Kevin

That story was a sad example of how people addicted to gambling can become. I am sorry you had to witness that and I feel even worse for his daughter. Casinos are not all good and the sooner people realize this the better.



as usual trackstat you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. not long ago(old discussion boards) you mad a bet with your mouth that your arse couldnt cash. you bet anybody $100 that the stillers WOULDNT win the super bowl. i said they WOULD and asked you if you wanted to up the bet to $500. as usual, you put your tail between your legs and wriggled out of it. then you claimed to have given a relative $$$ to place a bet on the stillers to win the super bowl while the relative was/lives in las vegas and you supposedly won a bunch of $$$. if youd stick with the truth instead of talking out of both sides of your mouth you might be able to get your stories straight.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 3:06:13 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 3:11:46 PM   
*commander*


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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 5:40:32 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 6:02:55 PM   
*commander*


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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 6:40:01 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 6:41:18 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 6:45:51 PM   
*commander*


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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 7:00:51 PM   
jackq

 

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You are absolutely correct about serving intoxicated people and how easy it is to circumvent the law.Having tended bar for way too many years I've seen it happen. The "visibly intoxicated" part is entirely the bar tenders call. Many years ago when they still had LCB cards (I don't know how if you go back that far) you, as a bartender, could refuse to serve anyone who didn't have a card. They could be as old as Moses...no card,...no booze. I refused many a pain in the a$$ with that deal. Even today, if you don't have a picture ID you can be refused service. The LCB has some really crazy laws.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 7:08:23 PM   
jackq

 

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  Also around this are (Blair and Cambria county) the really sting the bars. They have this 19yr old chick (she looks to be in her mid twenties) go around trying to get served. If she gets served the LCB go right in and fine the place. She wears a hidden camera so everything is on tape. They also get a cop to play drunk to see if he'll get served. If he's served, same consequence. They are reall stinkers.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 11:00:17 PM   
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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/18/2008 11:58:57 PM   
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Status: online 		If gambling isn't the answer , , , ,  could you repeat the question?   Now, as for me, I am one of the brave few who can go to VEGAS and not gamble more than 300 bucks in 5 days.  I simply like the shows and the desert and it's fun to take a friend to vegas if they've never been there.  Plus Vegas makes a great spot to center a vacation from because the rooms are "generally" cheaper than in other parts of the country.  Now, going to the Bellagio or Paris can get expensive in a hurry (try to distract your lady friend each time you go by the shops) but generally it's cheap fun.  But lately it costs more for airfare than I gamble.

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