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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 2:10:12 PM

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Re: Tax on stupidity - correct, but My Mom told me as a lad about drinking being bad when people use their money to buy booze instead of food, rent/mortgage, clothing, etc. for their families and that the same applied to gambling. I also learned early that the odds were against me.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 2:58:44 PM

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I'll let ya know how I feel about them Friday after I get back from Salamanca.

We go up bout every 2 or 3 months.

We only take up as much money as we are willing to lose. Usually about $100 each, and enough to buy ciggies, and to eat.

We also like to go when we know there are shows that we would like to see, or we have friends that want to go.

This weekends our anniversary. So I get to take my wife out for a night and feed her for about $50 out of my pocket. Even less if I comp our meals.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 3:11:56 PM

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The buffet at Seneca Casino is great.
Nothing near the ones in Vegas but the best food in that area for sure!

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 3:13:34 PM

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Is ok if you can take 100.00 and when that is gone, stop... A lot
of these people can't do that. The problem is just as bad as
alcoholism.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 3:16:41 PM

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quote:

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Is ok if you can take 100.00 and when that is gone, stop... A lot
of these people can't do that. The problem is just as bad as
alcoholism.

That sucks for them, I guess.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 3:19:56 PM

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I've seen it first hand.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 3:26:12 PM

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I understand your point and it is well taken, but the my main point about gambling is that if it is not available you do not have as many people with gambling addictions and problems. I haven't seen the research about the overall effects of gambling or casinos, but as I mentioned previously I have been to Detroit and Atlantic City recently, and they are two of the most downtrodden areas I have ever seen. Pittsburgh has suffered enough in recent years, let's hope gambling does not hurt the local economy further. Remember more people on welfare, collecting unemployment, etc. = higher taxes. Additionally, if people spend their money on gambling they have less to spend at local businesses.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 3:44:46 PM

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And if alchohol is taken away from the people there will be less addictions.

The comparisons between Atlantic City/Detroit and Pittsburgh are so much an apples to oranges comparison that it's not even a comparison. Pittsburgh will have one slots parlor (and it shouldn't be called a casino, it's not a casino. I knew that the papers calling is a "casino" was trouble from the start. It's a slot machine parlor) not blocks of casinos with card games, dice and roullette. Trying to draw some parallel between those places and a city with one slots parlor is folly.

I know, I know, it's a "slippery slope", right? Start with one slots parlor and the next thing you know the whole city is over run with hookers and drug addicts beggin for money and robbing old peole blind, right? Murders in the streets nightly!

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:02:54 PM

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All the above happens now D- Nymph on a daily basis in the burg.

Addicts are addicts no matter what they are into. You bust a drug dealer the addicts just find a new one, you close a bar and the drunks go somewhere else. Gambling has been rampant in this city/anywhere for years (thanks to the mafia). At leat now it will be legal for some. But you will still have the illegal gambling too.

This casino will have minor ill effect on the city at all. It may actually take away from some of the shady stuff that happens on that side of town. Because I am sure the police will be all over that place.

I will have to beg to differ that gambling brought down Atlantic City/Detroit. I would have to say that it has more to do with people moving away fromt those areas and poor economies in those areas due to lack of business and stuff. If it wasnt for gambling there would not even been an AC it would be a landfill.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:05:43 PM

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Brother,

You forgot to factor in the cost for a Native-American Slut for your wife. She deserves a treat for her anniversary.

Happy Anniversay!

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:06:03 PM

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All the above happens now D- Nymph on a daily basis in the burg.

Addicts are addicts no matter what they are into. You bust a drug dealer the addicts just find a new one, you close a bar and the drunks go somewhere else. Gambling has been rampant in this city/anywhere for years (thanks to the mafia). At leat now it will be legal for some. But you will still have the illegal gambling too.

This casino will have minor ill effect on the city at all. It may actually take away from some of the shady stuff that happens on that side of town. Because I am sure the police will be all over that place.

Totally agree.

And a couple casinos is hardly Detroit's problem.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:08:24 PM

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I have to admit I respectfully disagree with you here. Pittsburgh and Detroit are very similiar. Detroit suffered a major loss when Ford, GM, and other major auto makers started to struggle, now they added gambling and many reports claim that Detroit is the most dangerous city in America. Pittsburgh has suffered since the steel mills left and now they are adding gambling. Gambling is of course not to blame for all of the problems in Detroit, but I don't think gambling is helping Detroit get back on their feet.

To comment on your points the Pittsburgh casino being a slot parlor, I think it is just as easy to lose your nest egg playing slots as it is to lose playing cards. While in Atlantic City, I went into the "High Rollers" slots area just to watch and I saw someone lose over $600 in 5 minutes. They were playing a slot machine that was $5 per line and betting all 15 lines. Heck even on the penny machines you can lose alot, I watched a grandma type at the Washington County casino playing penny slots lose $20 or 30$ in a few minutes, because she was betting the max bet which was $2 for every button push. Oh and by the way since West Virginia now has card games, don't you think that is what's next for the Burgh?

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:16:27 PM

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I also have to respectfully disagree with you, Atlantic City used to be a major tourist destination. I am pretty familiar with the Jersey Shore since my grandparents still have a place in Cape May a few blocks from the beach and I have vacationed there just about every summer since I was born. They have owned this house since the 50's and they have also stopped going to Atlantic City since it has gone downhill. Without casinos, why couldn't Atlantic City still be similar to Ocean City or Cape May? These communities seem to be doing pretty well and I can tell you my grandparent's vacation house is worth much more than they paid for it. Maybe I am just against gambling, but I just don't see how it has helped very many cities.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:25:16 PM

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Then there are those who think the Pittsburgh Steelers are gambling big time by
hoping Big Ben will survive behind their offensive line. LOL! Sorry track I coulkdn't help it.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:34:49 PM

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Drugs and prostitution are everywhere, but my point is Atlantic City used to be a vacation destination. Where people would go with their kids and famalies. Would you take your family there for a weekend getaway now?

trackstat, youre as naiive as they come. the 20+ years you supposedly spent in schooling must have been very sheltered. wake up, get some coffee and look around. there are good and bad sides of the tracks everywhere. sounds like you left the nest for the first time by yourself and experienced some everyday issues in Atlantic City. Big deal. all these times you supposedly have been to Atlantic City and youre just now seeing drugs and prostitution. mom and dad never let you go out after sunset by yourself before?

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:37:55 PM

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That was a good one, but a low blow. The Steelers and gambling together are a sore topic right now.

P.S. If it is Brown flush it down

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:40:13 PM

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Wow a personal attack from Commander, that was unexpected.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:43:41 PM

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your words trackstat not mine. if its taken you so many years to realize that drugs and prostitution are everywhere, you need to get out more.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 4:59:53 PM

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D-nymph

I have to admit I respectfully disagree with you here. Pittsburgh and Detroit are very similiar. Detroit suffered a major loss when Ford, GM, and other major auto makers started to struggle, now they added gambling and many reports claim that Detroit is the most dangerous city in America. Pittsburgh has suffered since the steel mills left and now they are adding gambling. Gambling is of course not to blame for all of the problems in Detroit, but I don't think gambling is helping Detroit get back on their feet.

To comment on your points the Pittsburgh casino being a slot parlor, I think it is just as easy to lose your nest egg playing slots as it is to lose playing cards. While in Atlantic City, I went into the "High Rollers" slots area just to watch and I saw someone lose over $600 in 5 minutes. They were playing a slot machine that was $5 per line and betting all 15 lines. Heck even on the penny machines you can lose alot, I watched a grandma type at the Washington County casino playing penny slots lose $20 or 30$ in a few minutes, because she was betting the max bet which was $2 for every button push. Oh and by the way since West Virginia now has card games, don't you think that is what's next for the Burgh?

Well, obiovusly you have your opinion based off of what you saw your grandparents doing. Maybe you should have a talk with your grandmother if you're conderned about her blowing her money, rather than fear for the well being of a city? But if you choose to live in fear of something as minor as slot machines, I'm afraid I can't help.

Card games in Pittsburgh? Pittsburgh is so slow to change, it'll be 25 years before there is card games in Pittsburgh.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 5:06:05 PM

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Grandma's need a thrill once in a while too,Track. Maybe that is what they like to do now for fun since other fun things may no longer be doable.
5/2 this thread ends before 5 pages,3/2 without Track.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 5:06:22 PM

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D-nymph

I have to admit I respectfully disagree with you here. Pittsburgh and Detroit are very similiar. Detroit suffered a major loss when Ford, GM, and other major auto makers started to struggle, now they added gambling and many reports claim that Detroit is the most dangerous city in America. Pittsburgh has suffered since the steel mills left and now they are adding gambling. Gambling is of course not to blame for all of the problems in Detroit, but I don't think gambling is helping Detroit get back on their feet.

To comment on your points the Pittsburgh casino being a slot parlor, I think it is just as easy to lose your nest egg playing slots as it is to lose playing cards. While in Atlantic City, I went into the "High Rollers" slots area just to watch and I saw someone lose over $600 in 5 minutes. They were playing a slot machine that was $5 per line and betting all 15 lines. Heck even on the penny machines you can lose alot, I watched a grandma type at the Washington County casino playing penny slots lose $20 or 30$ in a few minutes, because she was betting the max bet which was $2 for every button push. Oh and by the way since West Virginia now has card games, don't you think that is what's next for the Burgh?

Well, obiovusly you have your opinion based off of what you saw your grandparents doing. Maybe you should have a talk with your grandmother if you're conderned about her blowing her money, rather than fear for the well being of a city? But if you choose to live in fear of something as minor as slot machines, I'm afraid I can't help.

lol

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 6:51:33 PM

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Sounds like someone was pissed because grandma was spending their inheritence.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 6:58:17 PM

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yeah trackstat. quit being such a buzzkill and let grandma have some fun.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/16/2008 8:04:59 PM

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"Well, obiovusly you have your opinion based off of what you saw your grandparents doing. Maybe you should have a talk with your grandmother if you're conderned about her blowing her money, rather than fear for the well being of a city? But if you choose to live in fear of something as minor as slot machines, I'm afraid I can't help."

D-nymph

I really do not appreciate you talking about my family. This is the last I will respond to you and Commander since you would rather resort to personal attacks rather than discussing the issue. I never said anyone in my family gambles other than my dad. I said my grandmother went on her honeymoon to Atlantic City and now it is a place riddled with crime and poverty. I wish you the best in your future endeavors and that is all.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 1:01:37 PM

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I have no issue with legalized gambling, but don't buy into the "sell". Gambling, as with any other vice ( smoking, drinking, prostitution, etc. ) has historically carried with it a cost far greater than any benifit. For anyone other than the purveyour, and the tax man.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 1:07:27 PM

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Even though it may not appear that way surveys by the gambling casinos and the Canadian government show that most gamblers are middle class white collar workers. There is also a lot of retirees who have the time, reasonable amounts of money, not good health and looking for some enjoyment. It's like anything (Moderation)

This may be true within the casino's ( trave destionations ), but not with gambling as a whole ( tavern poker machines, state lotteries, and horse and sports betting ). Revenues from "illegal" numbers betting has always been highest in the poorest neighborhoods.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 1:53:40 PM

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Finally someone else with some sense. Thanks for the reply spoon, and I agree 100%. Gambling has many hidden costs that some of the other members of this board would like to ignore. I don't mind a card game with friends where minor amounts of money change hands, but casinos and sports betting are another beast alltogether. You also make a great point about gambling in poorer areas being a major problem. I think similar to big tobacco, casinos will eventually be seen for what they are, a drain on local economies rather than the solution.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 3:24:42 PM

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Here is an interesting tidbit---Online sports betting revenue has surpassed The Nevada connection with over 2 billion wagered by U.S. residents. 77% of online sports gamblers are men between 25 and 40 who are college educated and earn between 40 and 80k. Also, online gamblers of all types are primairly males who are college educated and affluent as compared with the national average. Apparently online(mostly offshore) pays better with less risk than the old betting parlor.

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 3:55:08 PM

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As a logger and risking my life for every dollar I make. It would be pretty hard to just sit there at a slot and piss it away...
Too many lures to buy to waste it on gambling...

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RE: Gambling is not the answer - 7/17/2008 4:29:20 PM

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Sounds like you roll the dice every day. Bet your body against a buck.

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