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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 5:57:35 PM

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" I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems".

Makes sense.

"Third, I will set a goal for a world without nuclear weapons."

A wonderfull, albeit naive goal. In fact we already have non-proliferation, and reduction agreements ( stemming back to Reagan ) toward that end.

"I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenal."

Again a process that has ALREADY begun, starting with Reagan, and Gorbachev. The missiles are already OFF "hair trigger alert"

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 5:59:13 PM

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Inuk--The webs full of his biggest supporters and contributors railling against Obama for changing his position on everything he originally stood for. The true test will be when his contribution numbers come out. He has already admitted they are coming in slower than anticipated. I wonder why. His message of change is (I will change when I think it is too my benefit) Wasn't he the one who was going to be a NEW kind of politican? Sounds like same o same o.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 5:59:48 PM

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"a legislative branch that got us where we are now,, might need new thinkers in there"

As in replacing our Democratic Republic, with a totalaterian dictatorship?

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 6:01:27 PM

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 6:02:58 PM

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Some Democrats still think the missle shield that they fought against is unproven. Obama is on record as still thinking the Iraq surge was a mistake.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 6:44:15 PM

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Inuk--The webs full of his biggest supporters and contributors railling against Obama for changing his position on everything he originally stood for. The true test will be when his contribution numbers come out. He has already admitted they are coming in slower than anticipated. I wonder why. His message of change is (I will change when I think it is too my benefit) Wasn't he the one who was going to be a NEW kind of politican? Sounds like same o same o.

I am not denying he has moved away from that "new kind of politician" appearance. With major issues like the war and the economy, he has not changed his position. As far as his contribution numbers being down, I think that it was bound to happen after the primaries and will change once he picks a VP and the Democratic Convention is completed.

As a side note, I saw an interview with Arnold Schwartzenegger(spelling?) and he actually defended a candidate flip flopping. As ridiculous as this sounds he did make some sense.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 7:11:41 PM

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Innuk...I saw and heard Arnold say the same, and it made sense because he was saying that a person might actually change their mind about their position, if proven wrong.

However, friends and fishermen, before this thread gets back into la la land with misinformation, the basic thought Bughawk presented was that you can't judge a person by his/her name, just as a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet. The conclusion is don't let names or misinformed people mislead you, RH was right, judge their actions. However, the key is to judge their actions, not what other's say their actions are.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 7:28:15 PM

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"If the country you live in is in such bad shape and you are so disheartened with it's leadership, why don't you simply leave and go to a place where you feel better about the things which you are unhappy about? Obviously if your chosen leader does not win, you will still have the same reservations you currently have so why reside here? The world is a huge place and surely there must be a better place to live than where you currently make your home.
Rapscallion "

If you the roof on your house leaks, and the furnace is shot, would you move, or try to repair the roof, and REPLACE the furnace?

We don't critcize, because we hate our country ( although that is the CLAIM of the right ). We criticize, because we LOVE our country, we want, ( and want our leaders ) to make it the best it can be.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 7:41:39 PM

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The problem is the liberals version of (the best it can be) is just a wee bit different than the conservatives version.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 8:22:19 PM

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yes ,we all want a better nation to live in,,but your term of it is to bash the right,not the ones laying down policies that will also bankrupt this country,,yea,bushs policies were bad,some terrible,but then again his policies werent exactly conservative,,they are all left of center,, true conservatism is ,lower taxes,smaller govt, less intrusive govt,,, you know we hear the word greed thrown about quite freely on this post,but no one ever thinks where this greed starts,at the govt level, when you mention massive tax increases,the wealthy,(as percieved) will lock away their profits to protect them from govt hands, no one benefits from ongoing economic growth thru the investments made to the working sector,, free market always works out itself,not govt mandates,,i never worked at a job that was supplied by a middle or lower class employer,always a weathy type of corp. that supplies these jobs,, keep hitting the rich and we will lose all our jobs

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 8:34:57 PM

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RH, obfuscation worked the last presidential election, but it won't work this time.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 8:50:43 PM

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" I will not weaponize space"...........Tell China to stop.... They are going full bore ...

"Deep cuts in the military"......... we had that in the 1990's and had to rebuild a lot of it back and are paying for it now.

I do believe in a strong defense.

Back to the topic:
Names definately give good/bad first impressions. How long did the parents on this board think about names for their children...? If I said my children were Adolf, Ivan, Jozef, Earthchild or Wheatnut most people would get an impression in their head of something.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 9:08:34 PM

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That is a very, very poor analogy and quite frankly I'm surprised you would even pose it given your ability to make a point.
I believe the term I used was disheartened not hate. I also said unhappy which again is a far cry from hate. Point being, if things are so bad where you live, then why not go to where they are so good? But that's the funny thing about you negative Nellies. You never seem to indicate exactly which country would be a better place to make your home.
I'm sure glad I don't choose to criticize/love my wife the way you choose to criticize/love your country. If so, I would definitely need to find a new country to reside in.

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"If the country you live in is in such bad shape and you are so disheartened with it's leadership, why don't you simply leave and go to a place where you feel better about the things which you are unhappy about? Obviously if your chosen leader does not win, you will still have the same reservations you currently have so why reside here? The world is a huge place and surely there must be a better place to live than where you currently make your home.
Rapscallion "

If you the roof on your house leaks, and the furnace is shot, would you move, or try to repair the roof, and REPLACE the furnace?

We don't critcize, because we hate our country ( although that is the CLAIM of the right ). We criticize, because we LOVE our country, we want, ( and want our leaders ) to make it the best it can be.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 9:11:21 PM

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Right on! Judge his actions, such as leaving his church because of what his preacher said. Don't judge him by what others say he did. Such as leaving his church because of what his preacher said.

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Innuk...I saw and heard Arnold say the same, and it made sense because he was saying that a person might actually change their mind about their position, if proven wrong.

However, friends and fishermen, before this thread gets back into la la land with misinformation, the basic thought Bughawk presented was that you can't judge a person by his/her name, just as a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet. The conclusion is don't let names or misinformed people mislead you, RH was right, judge their actions. However, the key is to judge their actions, not what other's say their actions are.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 9:15:21 PM

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Holy cow. I started a thread to talk about the origin of names and we took a wild ride into all sorts of political issues.

My question is how many know the origin and meaning of their name? My first name is David. It is a Hebrew name that means "Beloved". My surname is a place in the English Isles. Put it all together, I am the beloved of a place on a distant shore. Knowing that information, does that change your opinion of me?

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 9:20:31 PM

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Holy cow. I started a thread to talk about the origin of names and we took a wild ride into all sorts of political issues.

My question is how many know the origin and meaning of their name? My first name is David. It is a Hebrew name that means "Beloved". My surname is a place in the English Isles. Put it all together, I am the beloved of a place on a distant shore. Knowing that information, does that change your opinion of me?

My first name comes from the latin, Clovis. Which means great man with big penis!! What a coincidence that its still true!!
Knowing this now, would you think that I am a porn star?

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 9:22:35 PM

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Inukshuk

TMI but thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 9:25:28 PM

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Nope, I still have the same opinion of you.

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Holy cow. I started a thread to talk about the origin of names and we took a wild ride into all sorts of political issues.

My question is how many know the origin and meaning of their name? My first name is David. It is a Hebrew name that means "Beloved". My surname is a place in the English Isles. Put it all together, I am the beloved of a place on a distant shore. Knowing that information, does that change your opinion of me?

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 9:58:10 PM

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That's really more than we needed to know.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 10:10:46 PM

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Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood, it was getting too serious.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 10:38:22 PM

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here's an interesting site: http://www.thinkbabynames.com/

My given name means "vigillant and watchful". Surname means "from the mountains".....Think my parents were accurate....

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 10:41:05 PM

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"keep hitting the rich and we will lose all our jobs"

Hmmm.

Clinton raised taxes ( largely on the top, and corporations ), and Bush lowered taxes ( largely for the top, and corporations ).

Average monthly job creation under Clinton: 237,000
Average monthly job creation under Bush: ( 2003-2007 his BEST 4 years) 172,000.

Doesn't really support your theory.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 10:48:31 PM

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"you mention massive tax increases,the wealthy,(as percieved) will lock away their profits to protect them from govt hands"

Not exactly. They will KEEP their money invested, and RE-INVEST the profits to avoid paying taxes on them.

"The historical evidence bears out the ineffectualness of capital gains, and dividend tax cuts as well. In November 1978, the top rate for capital gains was cut from 39 to 28 percent. In the prior 12 months, the economy had grown 5.8 percent; in the next year and a half, it fell one percentage point.

In August 1981, the top rate was again cut, this time from 28 to 20 percent. In the prior 12 months, the economy had grown by 3.5 percent; in the following 12 months, it fell by 2.8 percent. Of course, these tax cuts may have suffered from accidentally bad timing in the business cycle, but many conservatives reject business cycle theory, claiming that tax cuts are more responsible for economic performance. In that case, they have a major refutation to explain.

By contrast, capital gains were raised in 1976, and economic growth jumped up from 3.6 percent in the previous two years to 5.2 percent in the next two years. Capital gains were again raised in 1986, from 20 to 28 percent, and economic growth rose from 2.2% in the previous year to 3.8% over the next two years.

The effect of capital gains tax changes on unemployment is even more striking. The unemployment rate rose sharply after both the 1978 and 1981 capital gains tax cuts. By contrast, the jobless rate fell significantly after the 1976 and 1986 capital gains tax hikes were passed."

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 10:54:59 PM

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THanks over the hill, I just looked up my name and found out its not great man with big penis, but famous warrior. Oh well, I wonder what you guys would think of me now?

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 11:08:27 PM

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INUK, name fits.... you battle the steel every year right?

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 11:15:29 PM

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INUK, name fits.... you battle the steel every year right?

Yes, I come out that way at least once a year and battle the steel. Too much fun to think of myself as a warrior though. Plus, the steel often win the battle.

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 11:24:14 PM

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I thought the I-means small and the nuk-means penis. Heee heee

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/14/2008 11:26:02 PM

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Yes, I come out that way at least once a year and battle the steel. Too much fun to think of myself as a warrior though. Plus, the steel often win the battle.

INUK: Yes I see........... I watch from the top of the hill....LOL LOL....

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/15/2008 12:19:48 AM

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Ha, My name is John Smith. No joke. I had a rough childhood

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RE: What's in a name? - 7/15/2008 12:26:45 AM

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I'd rather be a John Smith, than a John Doe. They tend to be corpses.

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