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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 8:27:19 AM

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Another thought...

I love how PFBC only surveyed 1562 +/- out of 850,000 (.18%... not even 1%) licensed anglers to see "where they stand". To me this survey is meaningless and I hope they aren't seriously considering any of the results from it.

Actually that is a great number for a survey. They cant survey everyone. Research and Surveying 101 will tell you 1562 is about four times the required number for an effective survey for pretty much about anything.

I see what you're saying. I don't know what numbers they were looking to get. It's just that in my mind seems rediculous to make any changes based on these results. I don't know how serious the PFBC are taking this either. So I'll just end with that.

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 8:28:33 AM

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I could only hope the fish commission wouldn't consider stocking over wild trout, no matter what the public thinks. Of all the species on this earth, we are the only ones given the abililty to rationalize, yet we're the only ones that screw everything up. Amazing.

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 9:04:00 AM

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There are several recent studies on fish mortality posted on the net that show way different results than claimed on this thread. While it is true that fish suffer up to 35% mortality (IF) hooked deep with bleeding this is seldom the case even with bait. In tests done with baited hooks fishing in ponds mortality on different species fish was recorded with bass having the "highest" at 5.8%.

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 9:33:22 AM

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If any of these waters are stocked by the license moneys all anglers paid into, people should be allowed to fish however they want to, wherever they want to as long as its state owned public property stocked by the PFBC. JMHO!

And the success rate of a caught fishs' survival mainly depends on the care or carelessness displayed by the fisherman. If a fish is deeply hooked, by a baitfisherman or whomever, and they care enough about the well being of the fish then simply cut the line and let it swim. Studies have proven that the acids in the fish will disolve metal hooks within days. Also barbless hooks may be used. Knocking various methods of fishing is never the answer. Everybody is entitle to fish however they want for the fish their money was spent towards IMO. Just looks like more regulations to me and thats the LAST thing we need!

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 10:02:52 AM

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Sooo---If when I get to my favorite stream and pull out my noodle rod and a pack of salted minnies I am a slob fisherman with no concern for the resource but if I pull out my fly rod instead along with a box of streamers I am one of the elite class of enviromentally minded sport fisherman. Talk about narrow minded

Good point S10,

At one time I felt the same way slate drake does. Over the past few years, however, that has changed. There are plenty wild trout streams that are open to all tackle that are just clean as any fly fish only area. Spring Creek is a good example of one. On most of the creek you can fish all tackle. It is very rare to see any garbage along the creek.

I'll agree that you'll find more garbage along stocked creeks, but there seem to be few people making the majority of the mess, and the majority of the people making no mess.

I've seen my fellow fly fishermen leave trash behind on several occasions. One happened 2 years ago, at the gorge on the little J. As my girlfriend and I were putting on our gear, we only noticed 2 other guys who were at the time putting on their gear trying to remember what the guy in the orvis catalog looked like. When they started walking up the trail, I noticed they were each eating a sandwich from the local martin's gas station which were in the usual plastic containers they are sold in. As we walked up the trail a few minutes behind them, we found one plastic container, an empty bag of chips, then eventually another container. I got really pissed, picked them up, and walked back to the parking lot and put the garbage in the bed of their truck. Just goes to show, there are a few people from all types of fishing that will litter. My bet is, most people who would have seen this would have blamed bait fishermen.

If you want to protect fish, fly fishing is not the way. Single barbless hooks are. Limit fishing to single barbless hook only, and you'll immediately take pressure off the fish, because less people will fish there, and because nearly all the hooks could be removed no matter how deeply swallowed.

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 12:33:45 PM

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Yeah, thats a great idea. Make DHALO's bait streams now.

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 12:59:01 PM

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Actually that is a great number for a survey. They cant survey everyone. Research and Surveying 101 will tell you 1562 is about four times the required number for an effective survey for pretty much about anything.

.18% of a population that is highly unique is NOT a good return...
the number of people asked doesn't matter.... its the % of the population...

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If any of these waters are stocked by the license moneys all anglers paid into, people should be allowed to fish however they want to, wherever they want to as long as its state owned public property stocked by the PFBC. JMHO!

maybe we should look at which waters are stocked???

you argement is then also against kids only fishing...

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...I got really pissed, picked them up, and walked back to the parking lot and put the garbage in the bed of their truck.

i would say good job on cleaning up...
BUT
if you got that pissed and wanted to take action... why not say something to them or leave a note on the windsheild
to them... its just more $hit in the bed of the truck

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 2:11:43 PM

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As I read this article yesterday in the PG, I was thinking... "I can't wait to see what this stirs up on Fisherie..!"

KJH's original concern (i think) was the PFBC considering whether or not to stock over wild trout populations. We are talking about a very select group of waterways here, which are delicate and can accomodate only so many fish. It seems ridiculous to me that anyone would want to endanger, harm and potentially destroy such a fragile wild ecosystem by dumping in stcoked fish which immediately start eating the forage that the wild trout need to survive.

Wake up people, there are tons of streams which are fine for stocking, let's not ruin the few which are classified as "wild."

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RE: disturbing... - 7/14/2008 2:24:11 PM

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As I read this article yesterday in the PG, I was thinking... "I can't wait to see what this stirs up on Fisherie..!"

KJH's original concern (i think) was the PFBC considering whether or not to stock over wild trout populations. We are talking about a very select group of waterways here, which are delicate and can accomodate only so many fish. It seems ridiculous to me that anyone would want to endanger, harm and potentially destroy such a fragile wild ecosystem by dumping in stcoked fish which immediately start eating the forage that the wild trout need to survive.

Wake up people, there are tons of streams which are fine for stocking, let's not ruin the few which are classified as "wild."

exactly!!!

and what happens when an ecosystem is only capable of sustaining fish that are 12in max
then the PFBC dumps some 14-22in stockies in (since everyone has to have bigger fish)
read about greenback cutthroats or big spring creek

then there is a mess in 30yrs trying to put things back to normal...

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