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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 6:01:09 AM   
jackq

 

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Status: offline 		Geez ROCK, that sounds like a real good idea about rounding them all up, but I think that was tried once before in Nazi Germany, wasn't it ??? And , if I recall, that didn't work out to well for the Nazis.

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 11:19:37 AM   
ROCKHARD


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Status: offline 		heres what is said,, not none of these muslim leaders in this country ever condemn the extreme of their faith, as for jon-e,i seen his posts,sounded pretty devoted to america in his beliefs,he one of a few that admit these extremists are wrong and dangerous,,, i talking about these mosques that back the insurgencies ,the suicide bombers, the terrorist of runaway islam and use their religion to justify it,, them ones should be expelled or explain why they dont stand behind the nation that is now housing them

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 11:41:42 AM   
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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 12:01:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		remember what  happened when they rounded up japs during ww2, not much was protested about it,,, cause see , that was the nationality that attacked us,,, not that they were against us ,but for security of the nation,,, since 9/11, aclu defends rights of muslims if they are even questioned,, which is there job, but i think they overeach their boundary,, the ones that did 9/11 were right here in this country, so questioning this nationality isnt accussing but being precautious,

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 4:53:05 PM   
spoonchucker


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Status: offline 		"heres what is said,, not none of these muslim leaders in this country ever condemn the extreme of their faith,"

First of all that is NOT what you said, in your diatribe. Which by the way was one of the top TWO most ignorant, and asinine posts to hit these boards. Those who have been here a while, will recognize what an accomplishment that is.

Secondly, it is flat out wrong.


"Wonder how Americans view Wassef Ali Hassoun
Creators column Tuesday June 29, 2004
By Ray Hanania
 I wonder how many Americans might view the situation involving Wassef Ali Hassoun.
When they first hear the name, they probably think of Arab/Muslim terrorism, apparently the only kind of terrorism that we have in the world these days.
 And they think of the killers of Americans like Nicholas Berg and Paul Johnson, who are among a growing list of Americans all murdered by terrorist hostage-takers, gruesomely, by beheading.
 But Hassoun isn't just an "Arab" or a "Muslim." I don't know what his religion is, actually. But most Americans just assume that all Arabs are Muslim as are all olive-skinned people from the Middle East , just as they assume we are all terrorists, too.
The fact is, half of the Arabs in the United States , for example, are not Muslim, but they are Christian. It doesn't matter, though. In America , it's what people think that counts, not what they know. Just ask our President, who used his clout to get into the reserves in order to dodge active duty service during the height of the Vietnam War.
 Hassoun happens to be one of 3,500 Arabs who are American and who currently serve in the United States military. There are more than 10,000 Muslims serving in the Military -- not all Muslims are Arabs. Arabs and Muslims have a long tradition, in fact, of serving this country.
According to the Association of Patriotic Arab Americans in Military (www.apaam.org) more than 12,000 served in World War II -- including both my father and uncle.
 You wouldn't know it from the hate they get. Every Arab is a terrorist. Just ask the people in Orland Park, a suburb of Chicago where several Arabs proposed building a mosque there so they could practice their religious freedom like everyone else.
 The village board meeting on the proposal was filled with hateful speech and accusations that the proposed mosque would be a center for Muslim terrorism.
 Or maybe, "Christian" Americans don't like any competition. There are some 35-plus churches in Orland Park and nearly a thousand in the immediate region.
 Hassoun, as it turns out, is a U.S. Marine. His name was on a Marine "active duty" identification card shown by his terrorist hostage-takers in the videotape aired by the Al-Jazeera network, a TV station Americans don't like because it's Arab-owned.
 In the video, the hostage had a white blindfold covering his eyes. He wore military fatigues, and his mustache was trimmed. The U.S. military said Hassoun was of Lebanese descent, though the Al-Jazerra report said the hostage's origins were Pakistani.
 Every major Arab and Muslim American organization issued statements denouncing threats to murder and the actual murders of every hostage killed by the insurgents in Iraq , yet the statements received little coverage. Most Americans think Arabs and Muslims don't denounce hostage-taking, suicide bombings and murder.
 So when they do denounce this proposed killing, please don't say it's because Hassoun is an Arab and possibly a Muslim. Pakistani or not, he should not be killed.
 There are terrorists and insurgents in Iraq . The Arab and Muslim Worlds oppose the terrorists, who have hijacked Islam and easily give it a bad name to a willing audience of Arab-haters and pro-Israeli activists in America ."
 
 

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 4:57:44 PM   
spoonchucker


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Status: offline 		Here's another fellow you would "round up", as you toss your beloved constitution in the trash.

Name: Adil Almontaser
Rank: Corporal
Branch: US Marine Corps
Status: Honorable Discharge
Billet: Logistics & Supply
Current Job: Police Officer with NYPD
Military Accomplishments:
Meritoriously Promoted (for exceptional performance ranking him top 1-2% of peers) to the ranks of:
- Private First Class,
- Lance Corporal, and
- Corporal
Corporal Almontaser served 4 years active duty - USMC 1992-1996
-2 years IRR - usmc 1996-1998
-2 years Active Reserve - new york army
national guard 1998-2000
“Greatest Moment” - going to iwa jima, while stationed with MWHS-1 (Marine Wing Headquarters Squadron-1), and
climbing mount surabachi. (also gathering some black
sand off the beach- volcanic ash)
Officer Adil Almontaser is currently serving as a Police Officer in New York
- Founder and President of the American Muslim Law Enforcement Officers Association (AMLEOA)
- Honored by ADC and the Islamic Institute.
Muslim Officers and Firefighter Honored for 9/11 Heroism.
President Bush says they are among this Country’s Greatest Heroes.


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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 5:07:09 PM   
spoonchucker


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Status: offline 		Here's another. By the way, would you have them "swear allegiance" on the bible, or the koran?

Jamal Baadani: Gunnery sgt.

A War Veteran:  Jamal recently returned from his second tour in the Middle East as part of Operation Enduring Freedom.  Jamal served on active duty in participation with the Global War on Terrorism from April 2002 – June 2004 and most recently from June 2005 – July 2006.  At the age of 19, Jamal served with the US Marines in Beirut, Lebanon from January – June 1984 as part of the Multi-National Peacekeeping Force at Beirut International Airport followed by service as part of the external security force for the United States Embassy in West Beirut.

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 5:18:30 PM   
ROCKHARD


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Status: offline 		yes spoon,that is what i said, didnt want to write a book,just short message, you know and many know,what was meant,, there are muslims in this country that want you and i dead, many militant ,they know who they are, but when we go after them they hide behind our rules of law and cry injustice, not all are extreme, there are many in this country who do defend their freedoms,but again many dont, actually in was in response to why we are in iraq, i agree pull out slowly and deliberately, lets secure our borders, but in doing so ,lets round up these radicals that still defend the insurgents and not the nation that is giving their freedom to them,,, you always gotta try to make something out of nothing spoon, must be a liberal thing

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 5:22:30 PM   
ROCKHARD


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Status: offline 		From http://www.jihadinamerica.com:
Terrorists Among Us: Jihad In America Jihad in America, a PBS documentary first aired nationwide in 1994, was produced by investigative reporter Steven Emerson after the first bombing of the World Trade Towers in 1993. The documentary was recently updated following terrorist attacks in the United States on September 11, 2001. In making this groundbreaking documentary, Emerson was the first American journalist to document in chilling video the militant Islamic support networks and terrorist groups secretly operating on American soil. Counter-terrorism officials from the National Security Council, Justice Department, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) have acknowledged that Emerson's documentary demonstrated that he had more reliable and accurate information about the secret terrorist networks on American soil than the US Government . Emerson was successful in infiltrating key conferences and rallies with hidden cameras in an effort to track down the people responsible for supporting and abetting terrorist activities on U.S. soil. At these events, and on this film, these extremists state their chilling intentions in their own words.

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 5:25:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		THESE are your words, and they say what the say,

"we know who and what the nationalities of these 9/11 terrorist are, so i say start rounding them all up in this country and hold them until they ,from their own mouths ,denounce the extremists from their culture."

Trying to wiggle out of one's own words. Must be a conservative thing.

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 5:37:38 PM   
ROCKHARD


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Status: offline 		i stand by that spoon, lets hear them denounce these extremist in public

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 5:47:00 PM   
spoonchucker


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Status: offline 		lets hear them denounce these extremist in public


 
Every major Arab and Muslim American organization issued statements denouncing threats to murder and the actual murders of every hostage killed by the insurgents in Iraq , yet the statements received little coverage. Most Americans think Arabs and Muslims don't denounce hostage-taking, suicide bombings and murder.
 
You CAN read?

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 5:48:13 PM   
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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 9:01:07 PM   
Bughawk


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Status: offline 		One of my very best friends in this world is a Muslim American.  He is a Palestinian that grew up in Jerusalem.  He came to this country and worked hard to become an American citizen.  He is one of the most honest and forthcoming person I know.  I will say I am proud to be his friend.


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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 9:31:35 PM   
ROCKHARD


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Status: offline 		yes bug ,but does he luv america,which you say he does,which is great, but what about the ones that are here for another agenda,could care less about your and my life

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/14/2008 9:32:27 PM   
jonnyfishon

 

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ORIGINAL: Bughawk

One of my very best friends in this world is a Muslim American.  He is a Palestinian that grew up in Jerusalem.  He came to this country and worked hard to become an American citizen.  He is one of the most honest and forthcoming person I know.  I will say I am proud to be his friend.


I hope he does not flip out and throw rocks at people with large guns,or blow himself up when thinking of what bush did to his new country. KIDDING. I know plenty of good muslims. They take koran lightly. They understand that the book is (koran,bible) an example. If christians took the old testament literally, many people would be killed. Its just a story about a moral way to live, unless you are a wacko or rockhard , it should be harmless.

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 12:13:11 AM   
rapala11

 

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Status: offline 		so i say start rounding them all up in this country and hold them until they ,from their own mouths ,denounce the extremists from their culture."

can only be interpreted as it was written.  "rounding them all up"  means all.  nothing else was specified.

don't call me a lib or a conservative, call me a Christian, and what i see here is a whole lot of hate.  i will have you know that two muslim doctors saved my mother's life in 1981.  didn't matter that she was not of their faith, she was a human being.  they prayed before surgery, we prayed.  God hears the prayers.  man, too much hate and intolerance. 

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 9:53:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		what about bush,rap,sounds like alot of hate to me

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 10:01:28 AM   
rapala11

 

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Status: offline 		never heard me say that i hated the man, i even said he was a good family man.  just a bad president.  for not voting for him, you are defending him again.  

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 10:07:56 AM   
ROCKHARD


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Status: offline 		no rap, these posts are full of hate and most coming from left of center, nothing to do with defending,, im defending the office of the pres.,not the man

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 10:18:36 AM   
Bughawk


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Status: offline 		Rockhard,

In every group of people there will be those who will be outlaws and criminals and will often justify their actions based on religion.  What about the Christian militia groups in this country?  How about the KKK?  These are supposedly Christian organizations and yet they are very violent, very racist and very dangerous.  Because they have a Christian base we should fear all Christians.

To tar a whole group of people based on the actions of a few is wrong.  I agree that we need to find those militants that are set on destroying America and killing Americans.  I would say we should round them up and put them in jail as we would do with anyone who was a threat to the peace and safety of our citizens.

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 10:24:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		dont mention kkk ,bug , they have been scrutinized and condemned for decades,, but for some reason islam is off the target,, yea , lets discuss christian groups,,they are put to the back burner in this country when it comes to islam religious rights, 

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 10:52:38 AM   
Bughawk


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Status: offline 		Yes the KKK has been condemned for years, but at one time they were a very major, popular and powerful movement in this country.  Members of the Klan held important political positions and often raised money and recruited members in Protestant churches around this country.  I had a number of family members who were in the Klan during its hay day in the early 20th century.  When I asked some of them about this they said it was the thing to be in at the time.  The principles of the group were seen as admirable at the time and stood for good and right American principles.  They thought that by belonging to this organization, they were being very patriotic and taking a stand for their faith.  Since that time the Klan has shown its dark side and what its basic philosophy is, HATE!  I cannot imagine any Christian even for a second believing the teaching of the KKK are anything but evil racist hatred rolled up in some twisted interpretations of Christianity.

I don't have a problem discussing Islam and how some of the teachings of some of the leaders are very anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, etc...., but there were plenty of Muslims who don't hold these beliefs, but are thrown in with the more radical groups simply because they are Muslims. 

What we are talking about here is racism, plain and simple.  Racism on the part of the extremist Muslims, Racism on the part of some Americans who think all Muslims are extremists.  Historically, Islam has been an extremely tolerant religion allowing both Jews and Christians to co-exist in the Muslim world. 

One other very important thing to keep in mind when talking about Islam is that there is no central authority for the faith.  It is quite a personal religion and guided by leaders who can be very charismatic.  It is only a small portion of the Muslims who take a very fundamentalist view of their religion, not that dissimilar to fundamentalist Christians or Jews.  Fundamentalism by its nature is very intolerant and narrow in scope of interpretation of the faith which leads to problems with getting along with those who are not following the same religious path.


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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 11:05:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		yea bug,not all are of same mindset,your right,, but the ones that are out there in this country are protected under our laws and allowed to prosper and degrade our value of life,, im sure the feds know who these guys are,but will not touch them for fear and backlash of the aclu(anti christian liberty union), they never backed a christian belief but will back anyone of muslim faith against american values, 

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 11:36:49 AM   
Bughawk


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Status: offline 		Rockhard,

The ACLU can be a difficult pill to swallow, but they do defend Christians from time to time.  Here is link you may find interesting:  http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/31346prs20070730.html

I have a hard time with the ACLU sometimes, but there other times where they are right on the money.  Again, some good decisions, some bad. 



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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 12:13:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Took some time sifting through the latest offerings on the "Political Threads."  To be honest, there is some good information to be had in the midst of the dribble.  From there, I created a "What I Know" and "What I believe List."

WHAT I BELIEVE

Most politicians will not keep the promises they make; it is virtually impossible to satisfy everyone
People will continue to complain about high gas prices  - even if our prices are lower compared to other sectors of
the world
My vote ain't worth a lick o' beans - hangin chads, exit polls, and the electoral college will take care of everything
People will ask me why I need to take my limit of slime home when the fish are bad for my health - as an ash   
falls off their smoke
Ignorant people will remain ignorant
The poor people all over the world will be attended to by our government
The poor people in our country will not be attended to sufficiently
Our government will continue to play bully all over the world

WHAT I KNOW

I will fish
I will hunt
I will keep on rockin' in a free world
I will work
I will die
I will do the best I can until I die

Doc

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 12:48:23 PM   
rapala11

 

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 1:00:15 PM   
Bughawk


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Status: offline 		"WHAT I KNOW

I will fish
I will hunt
I will work
I will die
I will do the best I can until I die

Doc"

Well put.  There are only two things life that are required, death and taxes.  If you don't mind going to jail for awhile, you can skip the taxes.

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 1:23:45 PM   
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Not sure my accountant would let me skip the taxes thing.  He likes to be paid with concert tickets!

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RE: Value of life decline under Bush administration - 7/15/2008 5:19:28 PM   
Bughawk


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Status: offline 		I guess you are right  about paying taxes...  I know my accountant would really miss doing mine.

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