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KJH807 -> thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/20/2008 2:33:44 PM)

thanks for the help when i was pricing out a vise and setup...

I was actually able to find a guy on craigslist who you used to tie professionally and recently stopped
so i bought his whole setup... 3 vises (nor-vise and 2 standards) and what can only be described as a life time of materials
he had a cabinet full of stuff plus boxes full of materials 5 books...everything! (it filled my 4runner to the max)

this weekend i need to start to figure out what everything is and start tying

thanks

Kevin



SilverKype -> RE: thanks for the help... now its tim to start (6/20/2008 2:52:50 PM)

Stick with some easy flies, at first.  Once you learn the feel and tension of the thread and your tools, then try some more complex patterns.

I taught myself to tie starting with small dry flies.  Not a good idea!!

I would suggest a green weenie or suckerspawn to start. 

Have fun with it! 



KJH807 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its tim to start (6/20/2008 3:04:40 PM)

i was thinking globugs, sucker spawn, wooly buggers for the weekend

i also wasn't to work on some of the rotary features


anyone on here use a nor-vise??



saltflyfisher -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/20/2008 3:21:38 PM)

W/ the natural furs, you're going to have to keep them sealed in zip-locks or storage containers. If you don't the bugs will get to the in no time. Your find the more organized you are the better tyer you will become and the other up side less looking for materials. Welcome to the world of "I made that fly and caught that fish", nothing else like it.
quote:

ORIGINAL: KJH807

thanks for the help when i was pricing out a vise and setup...

I was actually able to find a guy on craigslist who you used to tie professionally and recently stopped
so i bought his whole setup... 3 vises (nor-vise and 2 standards) and what can only be described as a life time of materials
he had a cabinet full of stuff plus boxes full of materials 5 books...everything! (it filled my 4runner to the max)

this weekend i need to start to figure out what everything is and start tying

thanks

Kevin



mxdad66 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/20/2008 8:43:30 PM)

Forget the rotary feature and stick with the simple things that work.Think you spent some money now,just wait,the fun has just begun!ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



fishenfool46 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/20/2008 9:16:40 PM)

yea i agree with max just don't remortage the house.



anchke -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/27/2008 10:24:04 PM)

Start with something very simple that will catch fish. Like a wooly bugger.

You need a well lit bench. Get a natural lite lamp, if you don't have one already.

Remember, different points on the hook tell where to start, stop and tie stuff in. If your first efforts don't look like the flies in the Orvis catalog, it's because those tiers know exactly where each turn of thread is going. You need to develop that ability asap. And good luck, because I still forget sometimes.

The cliche pictures show tiers with a cup of coffee. Forget the caffeine, espec with small flies.

Sparser is better.

Fish haven't read the books or watched the videos and don't expect perfection.




Loomis -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/30/2008 8:10:24 AM)

cool KJH ull like it keep an open mind and remember that soon after you will be making flies that will be catching fish, and when that happens you will truly know how good it feels!  The key to fly tying is consistency...read books, look at internet tutuorials, and take advice from other fly tyers you'd be suprised at some things that people can come up with in the creative world of fly tying.  It's really not as hard as you think.



KJH807 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/30/2008 3:52:09 PM)

here are a few from my first week with the new stuff...
i just need to get out and do some field testing... also have a few ideas for some originals


i know that i may be using too much thread and need to work on my heads...

[image]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/kh67807/stuff/P6291063.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/kh67807/stuff/P6301072.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/kh67807/stuff/P6301070.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/kh67807/stuff/P6301067.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/kh67807/stuff/P6291065.jpg[/image]



fishenfool46 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/30/2008 10:04:58 PM)

nice job maybe not to much thread but to thick try dropping down a size
but all in all you are well on your way.Fly tying isn't a job it is an obsession lol.



KJH807 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/30/2008 10:19:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fishenfool46

nice job maybe not to much thread but to thick try dropping down a size



good idea
like i said... so much stuff, i was just going by thread color

i also have tied enough globugs for 5 seasons[:D]



Loomis -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (6/30/2008 10:51:48 PM)

looks good so far!



pin_drifter -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/18/2008 3:06:47 PM)

When tying buggers,nymphs etc, try 8/0 thread makes nicer looking flies as well. Not trying to sound like a jerk , just trying to help. But good job thus far. But becareful with 8/0 it's fragile. Do you whip finish your flys ?


                                                   PIN_DRIFTER~!



dano -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/18/2008 5:05:09 PM)

You might want to get a hair stacker for your elk hair caddis. don't cut the tips. Other than that, your last pic of the elk hair caddis looks very well done.
As a test, you shouldn't be able to pull the hair out from the wraps. If you can, the fly is only going to last you about one or two fish before the hair starts to fall out. You don't need many wraps, just a few tight ones.
I like using deer hair, myself.



KJH807 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/18/2008 10:43:20 PM)

thanks guys...
I have spent at least an hour and a half each day at the vise since i got it...benefit of living close to work
filled my dry/dropper box (only about a dozen i didn't tie)
[image]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/kh67807/P7021079.jpg[/image]

also been catching fish with my flies... see my "tiger" post on the main fisherie board

i tied 2 dozen 22s for a trip tomorrow down to MD... not super pretty... we'll see how they work
going to try and only fish stuff i tied

learning a ton as i go...
def finding how tension of wraps is more important than # of wraps
the white hair in the last pic is no more... didn't like it, no float too soft.. i like deer

problems
i have some unlabeled materials that i haven't identified... just have to test it out
ran out of black thread... and have no time to get to a fly shop






dano -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/19/2008 10:29:55 AM)

You've come a long way in a short time. Kudos.
You might want to look into a compartment type box for your hackled dry flys. Those foam boxes have a way with folding over the hackle on the bottom of the fly.   
22,s already? Your seriously hooked. No turning back, now. [:D]



KJH807 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/19/2008 11:36:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dano

You've come a long way in a short time. Kudos.
You might want to look into a compartment type box for your hackled dry flys. Those foam boxes have a way with folding over the hackle on the bottom of the fly.   
22,s already? Your seriously hooked. No turning back, now. [:D]


i already went to Michael's a bought 3 large, 18 carpartment boxes
they work well for $1.95 just see how they hold up

i'm defiantly hooked



John 3:16 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/21/2008 12:01:15 PM)

Look great Kevin!  Congrats.



anchke -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/21/2008 11:28:32 PM)

Outta black thread? -- read somewhere about a tier who only uses white thread and magic markers on the head. Tried it. Seems to work ok. (though I still like other colors on hand)

Thread tension is the key to durable flies. A trick you prolly already discovered -- Don't just wrap around the hook, which encourages inconsistency. You go partially around -- and then give a little tug while going up, then around again, then a tug, etcetc ... The desirable effect of this thread wrapping technique is that it binds the material in place rather than twisting it around the hook.  You create even, steady pressure from 360 degrees around the hook as the thread bites.

Nice start. Good luck.




fishenfool46 -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/22/2008 5:34:33 AM)

after you whip finish the head coat the thread with sally hansons hard as nails
i have tried the head cements and this stuff beats it hands down. get the clear  stuff of course.
is like 3.00 a bottle but a lil goes a longgggggggggggggg way. paul P.s you will find it in the ladies finger nail polish section. paul



anchke -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/22/2008 4:57:31 PM)

Good ol' Sally. Try the Hard as Nails Extreme Wear version. I have a bottle of #24 Black Out and one coat of the stuff (even over white thread) turns the head of the fly Mercedes Benz black. And it's even hard(er) than nails. I have my eyes peeled for a bottle of red for eyes on Clousers.



Lochswa -> RE: thanks for the help... now its time to start (7/23/2008 4:02:15 AM)

An easy and great size 22 for midge/small mayfly emergers is a serendipity

I like the modified version.. The options are endless provided you have different colored threads.

Body: Tying thread
Rib: Fine gold/silver wire
Wing: Deer hair <trimmed to about the barb of the hook>

I reinforce mine with the UV knot sense stuff. Not sure if it really makes em tougher but they look more lifelike!

I have had lots of luck with reddish brown,olive,red,



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