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cabst119 -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/24/2008 5:38:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Muddogaug

It amazes me. Every now and then I finally get to see some people are finally figuring out what is going on. This is conditioning. We are being conditioned every day to accept a police state. We are experiencing a form of facism. People need to research history and see how the horrible atrocities of the past have come about. And yes they all start out with police checks and the likes. And there was always people who accepted them as well they keep us safe. I hate having to write about this subject I wish it would never would come up. I just want to fish within all legal laws and be left alone. Free to live out my inaliable rights given by god not government. Fish on....


I agree. Everyone just accepts that we are losing little rights every day. Wait and see, someday we won't have anything left.  Why do I HAVE to have PFDs on my boat?  I'm the one on the boat, so why is it anyone else's business if I am taking that risk of not having a PFD?  I usually keep them in a storage compartment where they would be of no use anyhow.  Same thing with seat belts. Who am I really hurting besides myself if I don't wear a seatbelt??  Why do I need a lisence plate and insurance on my ATV when I'm not riding it on public property? Yeah sure if I wreck my boat, car, or ATV some people may have to come and help me and the taxpayers are paying for that - WHY?  I think I should have to pay the coast guard if they come and get me, not the taxpayers.  It was my fault I wrecked my boat - I pay the consequences. 

I'm not allowed to smoke in a bar in the state of New York. Why?  If people don't want to breathe second hand smoke they should choose an establishment that prohibits smoking - the government shouldn't be involved at all.  Why is border patrol allowed to RANDOMLY (i.e. I didnt violate any laws) stop me and search my car, pat me down, and question me when I never crossed a border?? 

Pretty soon there will be undercover cops at the beach writing out fines to people that don't put on their sunscreen.      




fishinmike30 -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/24/2008 10:13:45 PM)

i agree with that 100% u said it all  thank you some one thinks like i do




Wally Cat -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/24/2008 10:43:42 PM)

Some people must just have been born STUPID----here's your sign. Most rules and regulations have been developed to protect people, property, etc. If you want to be stupid enough not to have PFD's, lights, sound devices etc., on your boat you are a threat not only to yourself but to anyone else who would help you. Oh I'm sorrow you probably wouldn't want any help but you would blame everyone near you for your mishap.......enough said.......I just can't stand Idiots!!!




MuskyMastr -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/24/2008 11:44:58 PM)

I have no problems with saftey inspections, I do have problems with multiple ones in the same day, I also thing that if the PSP is that interested then they should do preseason inspections like the Coast guard Aux...........Not show up in mass once the season starts.




cabst119 -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 6:53:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wally Cat

Some people must just have been born STUPID----here's your sign. Most rules and regulations have been developed to protect people, property, etc. If you want to be stupid enough not to have PFD's, lights, sound devices etc., on your boat you are a threat not only to yourself but to anyone else who would help you. Oh I'm sorrow you probably wouldn't want any help but you would blame everyone near you for your mishap.......enough said.......I just can't stand Idiots!!!


I think you are an idiot for thinking any rule is OK just because it "has been developed to protect people, property, etc."  If you want to be protected, stay in your house and don't go outside.  Why would I blame anyone else for my "mishap," should one happen? Like I said in the previous post - it's my fault - I pay the consequences.  Why is it a threat to others if I don't have a PFD?  I'll just be floating face down instead of face up when they find me.




Indian Summer -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 7:00:41 AM)

cabst119.... Amen brother.

Should we be so dependent on ANYONE to tell us what is best for our health?
Nobody ever answers my questions.[sm=dunno.gif]

Next thing you know it will be: Why didn't the chicken cross the road? Because he was stopped at the friendly government check point and told he was too stupid to look both ways for his own good and the taxpayers don't want to pay to have him scraped off of the road. Meanwhile God is thinking..... how am I supposed to let nature run it's course to weed out the stupid?

If he was able to do that the check point wouldn't have been there in the first place.

Wallycat, I'm sorry to hear about your brain condition.......washed.




Carpet Bagger -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 8:30:44 AM)

its been a law for over 20 years....get over it and be happy you made it this long without any problems




Slay -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 9:26:24 AM)

Boy, I knew this topic would drift into a severe disagreement.  I think for the most part we don't really have a problem complying with laws, even if we think a few of them were written by nincompoops.  There are those of us who don't want to be bothered by officials for no other reason than to just display our compliance.

I would have to rephrase my earlier statement about freedom.  It's not that some folks don't know what freedom is,  A better statement is that folks have very different ideas of what freedom is.  I see nothing complex about freedom at all.  I Abide by the law, but I don't want to be pulled over or boarded with out due cause.  Maybe I have a problem with authority, maybe it's my inner alpha male struggling to get out of his cage.  Either way, those of you who are willing to relinquish your freedoms in any way so you can feel more secure in your life are threatening my view of freedom.

911 really started a huge decay in our liberties.  Government encroachment into our lives cloaked with the fancy title of "The Patriot Act" .  What a crock.  So much money was donated to the victims of 911 that families became wealthy.  We have good souls dying in Iraq and Afghanistan yet they won't have the benefit of money raining down on them.  Same with cops, firemen,, etc.  After 23 years in the service, Iv'e seen a few things and been to some pretty poor countries that lack a lot of the freedoms that we enjoy.  So yeah, I think I know what freedom is.  Folks fight and die for it, so we can bicker away about silly stuff on a fishing forum.

I don't take offense at anyone or thier views on here, but don't try to make freedom sound like it's too complex for the common man to uderstand it unless you attended Harvard and have a PHD in psychology. 
Because if it gets to that point then I believe freedom will have truly ended.

May the walleyes school under all of your boats....




jackq -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 9:39:43 AM)

I wasn't go to get involved in this ....BUT !! Did any one ever bother to read the law pertaining to inspection? I mean really read it. Nowhere in that law does it state "boat" trailer or any other specific kind of trailer. I Pull a trailer also... 53' X 102" wide and I'm sure there are alot of happy American motorists out there that are really glad I have brakes on all four trailer wheels and had the box inspected. Not only annually but Lord knows how many times daily! Carlisle, PA. to Charlottle, NC.,seven inspections!! I've got it !!!!! Let's all just do whatever we want whenever we want and to he!! with ALL the restrictive laws!! They don't have room in the jails for all of us!!! By God, we'll show them!!




pghmarty -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 11:03:45 AM)

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Let's all just do whatever we want whenever we want and to he!! with ALL the restrictive laws!! They don't have room in the jails for all of us!!! By God, we'll show them!!




Indian Summer -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 11:48:24 AM)

CB..... I think you are confused. Nobody ever bitched about inspections. I even told you I am all for them. While we're on the subject of what's best for all why is it that they have determined that I can't be killed by a trailer under 3000 pounds. C'mon now somewhere down the line somebody needs to come up with answers to my questions before moving on or backing up.

It's the regular disruption of my day when people on motorcycles, cars, trucks, and in their previously inspected homes do not have to be subjected to the same thing. If you practically live up there and need to keep the nose brown so they know you're on the government approved side of the fence go ahead and conform or at least say you do. Wouldn't want Grendel meeting you at the launch and saying he saw your mean post on Fish Erie. 

One more time....inspections/fine, brakes/bu11$h1t but oh well....... repeatedly invading my privacy.... not o.k. other than to look in my cooler at the end of the day for my limit of fish. I'm a realist so I'll give them that. 

Name one other situation where the law checks and checks and checks something after it has received it's stamp of approval. Oops ....2 questions in one post. I'll give you the answer to save time and hopefully get an answer to my first question....when you leave and enter a country prior to which you have no rights. The only other possibility are sobriety checkpoints which have also been questioned as unconstitutional. At that point can't we just delete the word probable cause from the dictionary.... no, because if they do then they'll have to delete the word right to privacy because probable cause is used in the definition. I see your points..... take a minute to consider ours. 




PixburghScottie -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 11:54:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Slay


911 really started a huge decay in our liberties. 


Along with establishing an office for the US Border Patrol in Erie Pennsylvania. I have to think they have a pretty boring mission in Erie.




spoonchucker -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 1:05:56 PM)

"One more time....inspections/fine, brakes/bu11$h1t but oh well....... repeatedly invading my privacy.... not o.k. other than to look in my cooler at the end of the day for my limit of fish. I'm a realist so I'll give them that."

What "privacy"? You are in PUBLIC, on a PUBLIC highway, or waterway.

All these laws, are NOT intended to protect stupid people from themselves. They intended to protect others, from stupid people. Don't wear a seatbelt? It's your choice, and only affects you, right? Wrong, it also affects you wife, and kids ( do THEY have a say in YOUR choice? ). Who's gonna take care of them, after you're gone. What about your insurance carrier? They have to pay out more, so I have to pay them more. Don't want to insure your boat, car? Do you have $500,000+ to pay for my medical expenses, and care if your stupidity leaves me crippled? Did I have a say in YOUR choice? What happens to your family, when your stupidity leaves them homeless, or broke, ( no home owners ins. )? Did they have a say in YOUR choice?

Many of the "choices" that we BELIEVE are our own, can, and DO affect others, and laws are in place to protect THEM.




pghmarty -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 1:13:41 PM)

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do THEY have a say in YOUR choice?

 NO




cabst119 -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 3:22:12 PM)

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What "privacy"? You are in PUBLIC, on a PUBLIC highway, or waterway.





Public highway and public waterway that 30% of my income, gas taxes, and lisence fees etc. pays to maintain and operate.  In that sense I should be entitled to some privacy when using the highways and waterways I am paying to use.  Should they quit allowing you privacy in a PUBLIC restroom just because it is in PUBLIC? 

What if I don't have a wife and kids to leave homeless and broke ?  Should I be exempt from the seatbelt law then since I can't hurt anyone else ?




Indian Summer -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 4:40:14 PM)

Your statement proves that people like you feel the need to control others lives just because the government gives you what you think is a good reason. Good thing we have smart people to look out for us uneducated commoners.

What about the law that says it is illegal to interfer with or hinder a hunter in pursuit of game. You love to tell yourself that one's privacy ends at his front door of his house. You have issues to even want to think that way.

Also.... two nearly identical subjects....seatbelt and mororcycle helmets. Why no helmets? Because manufacturers and owners (together known as citizens) lobbied to be able to make their own decisions and the politicians agreed. What are your thoughts on that subject Einstein? 

You better wake the heck up and ask yourself what privacy is, why it is so important, and why you feel the need to invade others.

And why don't you ever really address the issues we bring up. Show some courtesy. I answer your questions.

You guys assume that some have issues with law enforcement. You fail to realize that you have issues with the people.

Inspect, apply sticker, get a life.   




Carpet Bagger -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 4:48:35 PM)

I agree. with you here Indian...I think we should lobby together and get an established list of laws for trailering and make trailer owners AWARE of those laws so that there is NO more issues or discussions like this.  Way too much grey area with these trailering laws that leaves alot of people ignorant to the matter and leads to fines. 

Every trailer out there should have the ability to stop along with the vehicle when needed to...Not having breaks and bad tires just spells disaster in all the wrong ways.




bassackwards -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 6:22:49 PM)

Way to go carpetbagger, Inform the public of what their right are and are not. They take rights away every day from us. Not much we can do about it. At least give the public the decency to know what the law is. I have never even heard of trailer laws before this post - I know now that according to this post, I have an illegal trailer. Right or wrong, I know what might be in store for me. A ticket ! They should at least give us an opportunity to make correct what we might not know. They say that ignorance is no excuse for the law, but when 99% of the public does not have access nor the ability (or time) to research the laws - It is still considered an excuse. I have seen the quote around this website - Get informed, get involved ( I think that's what it said). I don't think that 1 person who has read this post should ever get a ticket for being illegal. Those who will, your busted not because of excuses or ignorance - It will be from non compliance. I look at it this way - If 85% of the US population hates George Bush, then he is in office still because no one cares what we think as plain old poor citezens. Laws are not going to change easily or soon, so untill they do - Get informed and get involved.




mothermoose -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 8:51:44 PM)

about $250 if you do it yourself .....   just did it......  oh and plus the fine .... I still havent paid...Giong to fight it......... I was not evan driving it... I parked it in the yard and was going into the marina for a bite when he grabed me ...
also if he does not show I win I think..




Carpet Bagger -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/25/2008 9:50:58 PM)

Thats a non moving violation...i dont think they have that kind of authority...was it the state police or Fish and Game?




bluntman -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 7:14:02 AM)

Guess this is for our own good too


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mothermoose -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 7:53:27 AM)

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mothermoose -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 7:56:12 AM)

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Indian Summer -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 8:03:36 AM)

As I said before... we do not get a mile off track over night. It happens one inch at a time. This is a perfect example though I would say this is way more than an inch. There are people who intentionally steer us in the direction of their choice. It's their 40+ hour a week job. Just because a person voted for someone doesn't mean that person has the authority to make laws that the voters are not in favor of. Well it does but it wasn't meant to be that way. While we are busy going about our daily lives and unaware of what they are brewing, we ultimately find out about many of these changes only after the fact. Isn't that similar to taxation without representation, the basis for the Boston Tea Party?. At that point those in favor of this type of governing say "It's the law, get over it" The thing they hate to hear most is that the people are the law. We are supposed to be a part of what is happening and decide whether we are for or against. Sadly this has not been the case for decades and 911 has accelerated this process. I think if we took a vote on this board the people would say nay & the brakes law would be repealed. Now we are only being made aware of laws as we receive a citation for not complying with them. Laws which exist only in this state. Laws that not even many state licensed inspection stations are aware of. That is a mile off track.

Spearchucker..... Look at it this way. I have to live with the laws and I am perfectly comfortable and feel like the government has served me well if Muddogaug, Slay, Fishinmike, Cabst119, Bassackwards, Carpetbagger, Mothermoose, and Bluntman, and the rest of my fellow citizens & peers get their equipment checked once a year for my safety and the benefit of their family. However, it upsets me to see that they are being disrupted for the same reason after that. You think you are protecting them and serving me but neither of us likes the customer service too much. We don't like paying for it either. I am concerned about my peers as much as myself. It occurs to me that you and grendel, who is now quietly reading from the sidelines, do not consider us your peers. You guys think this country is one big day care center and George Bush is Supernanny.   

Soon it will be time to jump on the Mayflower and head back east for the same reason they sailed it here in the first place....freedom. I wonder what the fee will be for the recreational boating permit for a fishing boat that big? Since Georgiepoo is doing such a great job of fighting for freedom in Iraq maybe that will be the next top destination for U.S. immigrants when he is done.

Won't you be glad when I leave for Canada this weekend?




Grendel -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 8:45:34 AM)

Indian,

I guess I am just following the old saying...something about never argue with an idiot...well...you know the rest of it.

I show a video in my Ethics and Social Problems class - it is called Legislating Morality: There Ought to be a Law.  Now, I agree that we have a fair amount of laws that do not make sense, and some that are downright unenforceable.  Not convinced that rushing to legislate is a good thing neither.  Education over legislating is the key.  However, all people are NOT created equal, and the government, as part of the social contract must step in to regulate some behaviors. 

Quite honestly, I do not trust the next boat over to have the proper safety equipment regardless of how nice a guy he is.  Similarly, I do not trust that he/she keeps the trailoring and boating equipment in proper working order throughout the year.  I am thankful that there are people out there making sure that such things are taken care of as best as they can.  If that is too difficult to deal with, then perhaps you ought to think of the worst case scenario for you...for your family...think hard...now...what if that were preventable through intervention?  Would you have wanted that to happen?  Or is your precious freedom to be left alone ultimately more important.

Like I said above, all men are NOT created equal, so I do not expect a reasonable answer back.

Not that it is any of your business, but just to let you know - I have not voted in any Presidential Election since Reagan's second election.  Not even sure who I voted for in that one.  I learned quite quickly in college that the people's vote really does not count for anything.  with the presense of the electoral college, anything can go.  Know why the electoral college exists?  Look i tup and find out.  See how much freedom you really have in electing people.  Something we learned twice  with George jr..  So before you go touting off on how much you think you know, try to get the facts about people right.  Or am I infringing upon your right to free speech?  Would hate to trample on your rights...please forgive me.

By the way, you never did answer the question regarding how much privacy a person should expect on Commonwealth Waters.  Like some, you quietly ignore things that do not fit into your mathematical equation of "rights."  I will helkp you along here: think of rights as having different weight values.  Some are heavier than others. 




Carpet Bagger -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 9:05:41 AM)

You have the freedom to not inspect your trailer...but you do not have the freedom to wreck your truck into me because you couldnt stop your 4000lb boat going downhill because you didnt have breaks on your trailer...I just hope you hit a tree and destroy your own property and not anyone elses...

Last i checked you own your boat, you own your house, you own your life, but you dont own the road or the water....When your neglegence and idiocy effects someone elses life or property, then you are in a real bind....I dont even think your insurance company would bail you out of a jam in regaurds to a illegal trailer accident....Your entire life would be ruined IF something were to happen....and you really cant whine over $300 dollars worth of breaks and a $29 inspection....If so you are playin the wrong game with a boat and Lake Erie...

So play by the rules and keep yourself as well as everyone around you safe.

so dumb to even question this....or argue about it...Yes you have the freedom to be an idiot...its when your idiocy effects those around you when laws need to be made..thats why we have trailering laws....

Get your stuff inspected and go fishing...If 90% of the trailers were legal this wouldnt be an issue...your gettin mad at all the wrong people here.

done on this subject....




Indian Summer -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 10:51:52 AM)

"never argue with an idiot" Now you're getting personal. Isn't that against forum rules er I mean...laws? I'm not mad at anyone but your taking it in that direction with name calling. I'm simply telling you my opinion and how and why I think some people think the way they do. Such as "I do not trust the next boat over" & "I do not trust that he/she keeps the trailoring and boating equipment in proper working order" You don't trust anyone but that's more of a personal problem than a job requirement. Sooooo like I said, go ahead and inspect. Then I feel you should be on your merry way for the rest of the year.....just like cars and camper trailers etc.

I answered your question about privacy on Commonwealth Waters. I always adress the issues other bring up. Otherwise what's the point. Just as you are not permitted to obstruct my pursuit of game I do not think you should obstruct my pursuit of gamefish which has nothing to do with annual inspections.....can't figure out why you don't get that. It's the daily thing that is a joke. Look..... I'm legal. I have nothing to worry about as a result of an inspection. It's the lack of respect for me and my time and the attitude. Jesus man what is so wrong with annual and no more just like all other inspections. And.....answer my questions....why can't I be killed by a 2900 pound trailer. And how do you know my pads on my truck brakes haven't worn below minimum specs 6 months after the inspection. What makes boats an open invitation to check so often. Last I checked boating fatalities were way behind motor vehicle fatalities. The fact that you don't say.... "someone one may forget a PFD" says it all. Instead you say "I don't trust them" like they would violate a law it intentionally. That my friend really is a personal problem. Deny it or not this entire world including the U.S. has a history of people everywhere needing as much protection from their government as from each other.

Answer this one question since you've ignored all the others.... Why do we have such things as probable cause and search warrants and what were they meant to guarantee the people and why? My answer is: Because somebody way back when came and founded this place, after being governed by tyrants who did what they wanted, and made laws to prevent the same from happening in the new world. We get further from those original laws every day. Now I'll hear your answer and we'll go on from there.  




Grendel -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 12:32:27 PM)

"I do not think you should obstruct..."

I do not care what you think; that was NOT the question.  The question, is what level of privacy does have person have on Commonwealth Waters.  Perhaps my fist sentence observation does hold merit.

Look up search warrants and probable cause, and you will see that those matters DO NOT hold true for systematic boat and safety inspections.  You will note that the need for Search Warrants in motorized vessels (cars, trucks, boats) are a little more laxed than they are for searching homes and other dwellings.  Once again, your ignorance of the law really demonstrates the need for education.

Time to go fishing and enjoy the rights that I have. 

When you become more informed, let me know.  Your mere opinion does not constitute "informed." In the mean time, I am once again going fishing on Commonwealth Waters.  Note the word "commonwealth."  What does that mean to you?  What do you think it means legally?  I will leave you to your meditation.

Have a great day.  Sorry for the idiot inference.  I am sure your are a genious at something.




Texcobb99 -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 12:41:30 PM)

Marty....I want to fish on your boat.  I will leave mine at home!  Mine doesn't come with the options!




eyesandgillz -> RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch (6/26/2008 2:09:54 PM)

Grendel,
For stops and searches, WCO's, DCNR rangers, etc. still need "reasonable suspicion" for the stop and "probably cause" for the search.  Take a look at the link from the Commonwealth v. Ickes court case and opinion from 2005.  Really gets interesting once you get to page 7 and continuing on to the end when they compare "regulated activities" which hunting and fishing fall under to the application of the vehicle codes.  Not a total apples to apples comparison in this instance but, if you had a good enough lawyer, enough funds, and the right approach to the precedents and the right court, you could probably get an interesting decision.

http://www.aopc.org/OpPosting/Supreme/out/J-138-2004mo.pdf

Personally, it all comes down to common sense laws in my eyes.  Is it common sense and reasonable to have a trailer in good working, safe condition?  Of course.  Should they be inspected over a certain threshold?  I think most would agree, yes.  Should the Commonwealth legislate that the manufacturer's of trailers who have to meet federal safety standards are wrong when they only put brakes on one axle of a dual axle trailer even though they have passed testing that says brakes on only one axle is adequate?  I think most would agree, NO, that is unreasonable.  Should a trailer operator who did have his inspection sticker be constantly harrassed?  No, he shouldn't.  Should someone who has been safety checked while on Commonwealth waters be subjected to the same checks repeatedly in a short amount of time or even on the same day?  I think most would see that as unreasonable.

Me, I don't want to be one of the "sheeple" that has the government protecting "me" from myself.  Being libretarian and very conservative in nature, I would like them to butt out of the citizen's everyday business as much as reasonably possible. 

Don't want to wear a seatbelt, fine; don't legislate it though and have special safety checks for it.  Let Darwin weed out the ones who don't want to wear it (except, children should be made to wear them under the age of 18).  Myself, I wear mine every time I step foot in my vehicles. 

Helmet laws are as they should be.  But, you would never catch me on a motorcycle without one. 

Smoking bans are the same thing for me.  I hate smoking; despise it, detest it, but, if someone wants to go to a bar and have a drink and a smoke, then they should be able to do so.  If a restaurant can adequately provide smoking and non-smoking sections then they should have that option.  If I want to go to a bar for a drink then I will have to put up with the smoke or not go to that bar.  I can still make that choice. 

About the REAL ID and biometrics and all that other jazz, believe me, it is real.  My brother works in DC in the IT field and his main project right now is developing the biometrics and database for this Orwellian crap.  Gives him a good paycheck but I hope that it is never implemented. 

Anyways, didn't want to step into this discussion but alas, here I am...  :-)




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