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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 11:58:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Indian Summer

"If we as a group had the balls to remind these people , we control their paychecks and demand they do their jobs as a service to the public, things might change."

Try reminding them and see what happens. In a world where homeland security has become a good reason to invade your privacy for your own good that would be considered belligerance and would probably lead to them finding a violation even if there wasn't one.

Grendel.... here's a question for you. Our vehicles get one yearly inspection. We make an appointment to have it done. They give us a sticker that shows we have passed. That does not mean that a month later a headlight has gone out or that brake pads have worn just as flares expire and lights burn out on a boat. Can you imagine what would happen if they started a check point on 79 to see if, even though you have a valid inspection sticker, your vehicle still met the codes that it passed when you had it inspected. If they want to inspect my boat for my own good and your good fine.....but put an annual sticker on and leave us alone after that.

I believe 911 had much worse effects than all the people who lost their lives. Our governement used it as an excuse to become communistic "for our own good".

If you don't think this country is headed in that direction here's a good example. I spend 5 months a year running my outfitting business in Montana. I just found out that they recently passed two laws there. One says that you can no longer build anything with 150 feet of ANY river or stream. Mind you in the Bitterroot Valley the hills come right down to the river and more than half of the homes and businesses are located within this limit. If any strucure were to burn to the ground tomorrow the owner will not be permitted to rebuild. All of that land is now classified as recreational property. People who owned it watched the land value reduced by 50-75% over night.

Here's the better one...anyone who has more than three parties a year (they don't define party) whether at home or else where needs to buy a permit and list when, where, and how many will be at the party. More than 10 parties and things really get costly and ugly. I thought one of the first things our fore fathers did was give us the right to congregate and a freedom of speech. Past governments thought that the meeting of us peasants was a threat to their authority. What if I have a wife and two kids and we want to have a birthday party for each of us plus maybe invite friends over for a 4th of July picnic and maybe celebrate Christmas? I'm 4 picnics away from being treated like a criminal! Don't tell us that the government doesn't abuse it's authority.

We are heading down a scary path and the Nazi check ponts at every boat ramp are just another example. They found a place where we congregate and use it as an opportunity to harass us. I have a sticker on my truck, I have one on my trailer. Again.... put one on my boat and get the hell out of the way. I didn't get up at 5 in the morning to have a "friendly" conversation with some power tripping military police wannabe.

Manufacturers know how many sets of brakes it takes to stop a trailer. Apparently the other 49 states agree with that. What if I decided to put a third axle on my trailer? If two sets of brakes are enough to stop my boat and trailer at a total of 4700 pounds, and is legal for weights much higher, why should I need brakes on every axle I decide to add at only another 150 pounds each? B.S!  

I see your point but you are one of the brainwashed who better open their eyes to the changes that are taking place fast. What's next, helmets, seatbelts and turn signals on all boats? Lucky for us disc brakes don't work on the water.  


...Once again every state has its own laws in regaurds to trailers and trailering....I dont think their are many boats out there that are legally towable with 3 axels under them....If you dont abide by the laws then you are subject to a fine....Cost of trailer inspection is $29......

In the amount of time every1 spent online complaining about the law, where no lawmaker even looks, they could have put a set of breaks on...maybe changed some light bulbs...or just drove down to the garage and got the inspection sticker for $29.  Then they would be fine.

Yep its stupid to have em inspected...especially if you keep your stuff in good working order..But not everyone knows how to keep the trailer up to date...lots of guys just hook up and go without any hesitation year after year...they just assume everything is in good working order....

In regaurds to Vehicle inspection, breaks and tires must pass a certain wear size in order for them to pass inspection.  Tire tred must be so deep and break pads must be so thick.  This means they pass, and even after they leave the inspection shop they are in good working order.  Most inspection places will not inspect your vehicle if any of those (especially breaks and tires) are in question.  They will want to do a $300 break job for sure.  

Boats can undergo an annual inspection as well......just once you start looking at those requirements you might not want to do that either....covered battery terminals, clean spark arrestor, clean bilge, working lights....there would be alot of issues with these as well im sure....

Like i was told long ago..."if you want to play, you gota pay"

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 8:38:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Indian Summer

"If we as a group had the balls to remind these people , we control their paychecks and demand they do their jobs as a service to the public, things might change."

Try reminding them and see what happens. In a world where homeland security has become a good reason to invade your privacy for your own good that would be considered belligerance and would probably lead to them finding a violation even if there wasn't one.

Grendel.... here's a question for you. Our vehicles get one yearly inspection. We make an appointment to have it done. They give us a sticker that shows we have passed. That does not mean that a month later a headlight has gone out or that brake pads have worn just as flares expire and lights burn out on a boat. Can you imagine what would happen if they started a check point on 79 to see if, even though you have a valid inspection sticker, your vehicle still met the codes that it passed when you had it inspected. If they want to inspect my boat for my own good and your good fine.....but put an annual sticker on and leave us alone after that.

I believe 911 had much worse effects than all the people who lost their lives. Our governement used it as an excuse to become communistic "for our own good".

If you don't think this country is headed in that direction here's a good example. I spend 5 months a year running my outfitting business in Montana. I just found out that they recently passed two laws there. One says that you can no longer build anything with 150 feet of ANY river or stream. Mind you in the Bitterroot Valley the hills come right down to the river and more than half of the homes and businesses are located within this limit. If any strucure were to burn to the ground tomorrow the owner will not be permitted to rebuild. All of that land is now classified as recreational property. People who owned it watched the land value reduced by 50-75% over night.

Here's the better one...anyone who has more than three parties a year (they don't define party) whether at home or else where needs to buy a permit and list when, where, and how many will be at the party. More than 10 parties and things really get costly and ugly. I thought one of the first things our fore fathers did was give us the right to congregate and a freedom of speech. Past governments thought that the meeting of us peasants was a threat to their authority. What if I have a wife and two kids and we want to have a birthday party for each of us plus maybe invite friends over for a 4th of July picnic and maybe celebrate Christmas? I'm 4 picnics away from being treated like a criminal! Don't tell us that the government doesn't abuse it's authority.

We are heading down a scary path and the Nazi check ponts at every boat ramp are just another example. They found a place where we congregate and use it as an opportunity to harass us. I have a sticker on my truck, I have one on my trailer. Again.... put one on my boat and get the hell out of the way. I didn't get up at 5 in the morning to have a "friendly" conversation with some power tripping military police wannabe.

Manufacturers know how many sets of brakes it takes to stop a trailer. Apparently the other 49 states agree with that. What if I decided to put a third axle on my trailer? If two sets of brakes are enough to stop my boat and trailer at a total of 4700 pounds, and is legal for weights much higher, why should I need brakes on every axle I decide to add at only another 150 pounds each? B.S!  

I see your point but you are one of the brainwashed who better open their eyes to the changes that are taking place fast. What's next, helmets, seatbelts and turn signals on all boats? Lucky for us disc brakes don't work on the water.  


Two responses although I promised another board member I would refrain from trying to nail jello to the wall.

1. Seems as if YOUI have the issues not law enforcement agents.  You are passing judgements on those you do not even know, nor even have an idea as to why they chose that profession.  By this fact alone your comments are worthy of being ignored.

2.  Tuesday, you take your buddy fishing with you.  You are checked and have all PFD's neede for the two passengers.  You pass inspection.  Saturday, you are checked again, however, you have your wife and two children with you.  You are short two PFD's.  Should you be stopped and inspected - HELL YES!  You just put two people in potential danger. 

3.  You are fishing a nice cove in the bay catching more bass than you could ever have imagined.  Suddenly, a young punk in a personal watercraft comes zooming in and around you closer than legally permitted.  the bass are turned off and you are pushed up against the rocks.  What ya gonna do? Call those "power tripping, military wannabe's?  I am not convinced that would be a good idea.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 10:29:05 PM   
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1. Seems as if YOUI have the issues not law enforcement agents.  You are passing judgements on those you do not even know, nor even have an idea as to why they chose that profession.  By this fact alone your comments are worthy of being ignored. I know plenty. I also know law enforcement that feels the same as me and many others about the bad apples among them.... not to single out law enforcement officers either.... all professions have bad apples BUT these not so friendly employees effect the public. Next question please- 
 
2.  Tuesday, you take your buddy fishing with you.  You are checked and have all PFD's neede for the two passengers.  You pass inspection.  Saturday, you are checked again, however, you have your wife and two children with you.  You are short two PFD's.  Should you be stopped and inspected - HELL YES!  You just put two people in potential danger. Answer: OK... simply require boats to keep enough PFD's on board at all times for the max on the capacity plate. Inspect once, apply sticker, and respect privacy in future....who would bother to remove a PFD and break the law once they purchased it. next question please- 

3.  You are fishing a nice cove in the bay catching more bass than you could ever have imagined.  Suddenly, a young punk in a personal watercraft comes zooming in and around you closer than legally permitted.  the bass are turned off and you are pushed up against the rocks.  What ya gonna do? Call those "power tripping, military wannabe's?  I am not convinced that would be a good idea. All the check points in the world won't stop that. Has nothing to do with subject either. I agree.... law enforcement on the water should be what it is at the ramp. Very very good point. Also... it will be my word against his if I'm even lucky enough to get someone to follow up on my report which is if I'm lucky enough to get the hull number. Next question please-

 
Seriously..... stick to the point. Do we need check more than once or twice a year, month, week or Jesus.... a day!? What about the guy who really manages to NOT fall through the cracks as posted above and gets stopped 2 or 3 times in the same day.
 
One simple question for both of you .... if they inspect my car once a year, they inspect my trailer once a year, why can they not inspect my boat once a year?
 
Now for the real question and my only real point and concern: They only inspect your house once.... just after it's built. Do you want them to knock on your door at any point in time to make sure everything is up to code and that you're not breaking any other laws in the meantime. You have to read deeper into laws and the ripple effect they can have. That's what lawyers do for a living which is why it's so important to take note of which way a particular law could head under a million circumstances. It's not at all the fact that they want to look at my trailer... it's the fact that after getting inspections and meeting their code, I think the everytime thing is getting communistic. It is the fact that it opens the door to further invade one's privacy as well. I am all for keeping boaters incheck for their good and mine. I hate the wreckless macho men and the beer drinkers. I strongly believe boat drivers should have to pass a test and be licensed. But the daily thing is what they used to do along the roads in Nazi Germany for crying out loud. 

And for the record CB.... if you look back you'll see I never said a word about inspections. I said a state that makes laws ( brakes on all wheels) unlike any other state that disregards the federal codes that the manufacturer had to meet is not right. When they put a D.O.T. sticker on any vehicle or trailer it means that it meets the federal code to be on the road in AMERICA. Last time I checked that included Pennsylvania.
 
Muddog & Slay were right on the money. If some people are an example of the governments successful brainwashing efforts don't mind me & I'll try not to mind you. And before you blow a gasket remember that my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it & you can still sleep at night even if you can't teach me right from wrong.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 11:10:06 PM   
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2.  You would be surprised at the number of people who "forget" to have them in, or are short one day to the next.  It really is a common occurance.  I think what concerns me the most is what people believe to be "rights."

You toss your garbage to the curb, the Police rummage through it looking for kiddie porn cos your neighbor suspects you of having it.  Did they invade your privacy by going through it?  Careful now, there is case precendent on this one.  What about telephone conversations in telephone booths?  Do they enjoy the same right to privacy as a phone call from your own home?  Boating on Commonwealth Waters - what expectation of privacy do you believe you have?  Be careful once again...search around.  Finally, comparing inspections on vehicles and safety equipment checks on boats is akin to saying jails and prisons are the same thing.

I am sorry you have issues with conservation officers.  Regarding the scenario with the pwc, you do not need a hull number, just a very good description of the craft and a good description of the person operating it.  However, with your seemingly tainted vision, why bother right?

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 6:01:38 AM   
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i have also been stopped 2 times in less than a mile and i told them i was just checked after they confirmed they said sorry and left to get the poor basterd in a scarrab whos mufflers and life jackets register and safty pack was not up to snuff i have encounterd some real but heads who were given a badge and lost iq points as soon as they got it but we will see more of these stops but it seems its geard twards peeps who are average joes and can pay and fines keep the wheels turnin well one thing ive seen odnr and coastguard are both running merqs not yame or honds good luck and do the head count and  ck vests and yes outdated flairs wallmart 17.25 having coastguard letting you know there outdated cost 1000.00 ouch

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 8:08:36 AM   
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Grendel.... so you have absolutely no faith in your fellow citizen and you must invade his privacy on a regular basis to keep him in check? What middle eastern country did you adopt that perspective from? Maybe we should skip the search warrant proccess too. Feel free to kick my door in any time of day or night. Get a life.... an American life. I think you'd be great at a checkpoint in Iraq..... or did the military reject you. Be careful of those car bombers! You cannot for one single second tell me that some who enter law enforcement don't have issues with authority abuse. It's one of the underlying reasons they are interested in the field in the first place. Again...not all & there are similar folks in all lines of work but again.... these ones effect the public. They're like over protective parents who can't accept that their kids have grown up and are able to be responsible without being told and are aware of the consequences of their actions. 

Three things to sum the entire issue up.
1) When thanking the law for invading your privacy..... be careful what you wish for.
2) Sorry if the truth hurts.
3) Law enforcement loves to call everything, like driving, a priveledge but the fact is.... we do still have some rights left even if they are getting fewer by the week. 

One other thing.... why can't we do spot checks on the law? They have for a fact been caught accepting bribes, stealing, drinking and driving, doing drugs, and the list goes on. I turned the Monroeville cops in for littering once. They also seem immune to our speed limits..... but hey, they and the politicians have the authority and nobody should question it. Some are surely alot worse than a guy who forgets a PFD. I see that Ed Rendell's driver has like a dozen speeding tickets for extremely high speeds between Pgh & Harrisburg. I guess he needs to get where he's going for the good of the piddly people.  

P.S. Even though I'm just a regular stupid citizen.... me and my fellow peasants are well aware of the laws including the fact that you can sniff my garbage if you want once I put in on the curb so feel free. Don't forget to count the walleye carcasses. They still have public phones? Probably owned by government or law enforcement.....maybe by you. 

Have a lousy day......mom. 

< Message edited by Indian Summer -- 6/24/2008 8:28:51 AM >

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 10:13:46 AM   
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The whole deal, to me seems to lie around a flaw in the process.  I have been pulled over for out of date inspection on my car, by a trooper traveling in the opposite direction at 50 mph.  He saw that it was out of date and turned around to write me up for it.  That's fine, I was wrong, lets move on with our lives.  Why can't valid trailer inspections be just as visible.

If I have a valid inspection on my trailer, visible from x # of feet and no obvious violations, then they have no business checking me.  If however as under the current system, it is not obvious, then we have the headaches of going through multiple checkpoints......

As far as the boat inspections, if my equipment is checked more than one time in a day then Doug Austen is going to get a letter with the specifics of the WCO who is wasting my license money doing repeat checks.  Now if you check my gear once and then want to check me for fish later on, fine.  But don't run through the gear again.  

If you want to board my boat on Erie (which has never happened to me)...
1...You had better have a good reason to force me to abandon my fishing and put my boat in a compromising position with another on a lake like erie
2...It had better be for some reason other than wanting to inspect gear that I could hold up to show you at a safe distance.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 10:19:47 AM   
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Indian,

I knew you would get the garbage and telephone booth one - those were too easy.  However, as predicted, you conveniently skipped over the issue of what rights does a person enjoy on Commonwealth Waters?

Are there rotten apples in every social group/occupation/subculture/club/organization/public forum?  YES.  But I am smart enough not to assume that all of them are.  Additionally, I am grown-up enough to learn to work within the system; which includes standing up for injustice.  In my case, that means being astute enough to recognize an injustice vs. that of an an inconvenience.

I will have an awesome day.  Going fishing on Commonwealth waters.  Do I run the risk of having the boat stopped and checked?  Yes, but what the f**k!  It is a beautiful day out and I am alive!

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 10:40:00 AM   
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A trailer inspection sticker is too easy to be the solution. They need to "chat".

Would you guys think it would be reasonable if we created a form for the inspection officer to fill out with the important info like name, badge number, date & time, results of inspection, and maybe Notes:? We could save everyone time (which is money) and accomplish the same thing. How is it that I know that it would be perceived as an act of disrespect???? You can still look in the cooler and smell my breath while doing that. If you ask nice I'll even let you look in my garbage, which still belongs to me at that point, since that excites you.

In all seriousness.... like all the other stickers including the one on our fishing license, which we are required to keep visible, what is the problem with utilizing the same system for boats and trailers?

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 11:04:24 AM   
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They have stickers that go on your trailer once it is inspected.....

When an officer approaches you, you can politely ask for a proper inspection and explain your reasoning....Ever see the window stickers??

90% of the time the people I see who are being hasseled are those who I RARELY see at the boat launch...Everyone who goes out on that lake with any kind of regularness have all the proper safety equipment and comply with an inspection....I know I do...

Whats it take 5min to show off your safety equipment??....When i get my fish checked, i ask them if they need to see anything else....and start pretty much throwing my stuff at them...lol  Heres my extinguisher, heres my flares, heres the jacket, heres the throwable....They generally laugh and leave...You hassle these guys they can make your life miserable, and toss some nice fines on there for ya as well....

Thing that bothers me most is the guys who pull their trailers out at Walnut and stop up top so they can wipe their boats down and stand there while the other trailers try to maneuver around them to fetch their boats.....Do that **** at your house or at your camp...Get your boat and get outa there!



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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 11:19:14 AM   
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I'll agree 100% on that. That practice at Walnut is a whole other subject for sure especially with such a nice big launching and parking area.

The 5 minutes isn't the issue, it's the principal.

I have heard of but not seen or been issued a boat sticker.



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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 11:53:47 AM   
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ha we had a cop in the cruiser take the mail boxes out ovi oops went to a watering hole and seen the cheifs suv outside he was buying rounds and slammin shots 40 mile difference and at last the one in clevand in the cruiser and swerving and bagged for ovi by osp wow now i have had a few drinks with a dnr officer we traded fish tips and he went back to the watch just think everytime you turn the key plan on 5to 10 min for the stop 

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 12:09:31 PM   
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Yea, but if you go out on the lake unprepared and someone drowns whose fault is it?...Is it yours for being ignorant??, or is everyone going to say PF&BC should have checked that boat out....they should have never been out there....

You really have to look at the big picture....if it prevents one life from being lost...and educates those who are ignorant on the issue of safe boating, or even safe trailering then it is worth it.

If your trailer is inspected and they continually ask and look, im sure that could be deemed harassment...if they fine you, and not the guys next to you, its selective enforcement....If they are going to crack down, they have to crack down on everyone...

This enforcement is not meant to ruin your day...Yes it is a pain on those boaters who take the time to keep their stuff in order, but it is there to help prevent an accident from happening or a life from being lost...

You dont have to get your trailer inspected...just like your car...you dont have to have insurance to drive a vehicle...and you dont have to have boat insurance to float....but where is everyone going to point when something goes wrong??? 

Heres a good scenerio: No inspection on your trailer....If your boat broke loose from your truck because you didnt secure your trailer to the ball (yes it does happen) but the break away breaks didnt work cause there was no fluid in your system...now you have a 2ton boat going backwards at the motorists behind you....Is that your fault??  Over a can of break fluid and a $29 inspection you may have just cost an innocent person their life who had the bad luck of traveling behind you on the same road....

Maybe if you even would have looked at your trailer once a year it wouldnt have happened, but not everyone does.  Thats what this does...it makes you look at your trailer once a year to make sure everything is in working order. NOT A BAD PRACTICE TO GET INTO.  And it sucks for a guy who spends time working on his stuff to keep it in good working order to have to pay $29 bucks a year cause the rest of the boating world just assume their trailer works...The reason you have to pay $29 bucks is not cause of the state of PA or the PAF&BC, its cause neglegent numbskulls in this state haul around heavy machinery and other objects and screw up and kill people.  And alot of the accidents could have been prevented if they looks at their trailers once a year.

You need to look at this alot more logically than just thinking they are out there to hound you and fine you for the fun of it....

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 12:15:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Carpet Bagger


Thing that bothers me most is the guys who pull their trailers out at Walnut and stop up top so they can wipe their boats down and stand there while the other trailers try to maneuver around them to fetch their boats.....Do that **** at your house or at your camp...Get your boat and get outa there!




Amen to that CB.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 12:37:22 PM   
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Laws or NO laws, if you go out on the big waters, trailer a 3000 lb.+ rig, without being prepared with ALL safety equipment and knowing everything is working properly - It is your own STUPID fault.  That is one thing, overregulation is another.  Bottom line is that we are overregulated in this state and its getting worse by the day.  Have we lost their respect totally and deserve to be treated like little irresponsible children?

Okay, have a total inspection sticker we could put on our rigs and trailers that show the authorities that we have been checked for the given year.  Why should we go through the same check week in and week out?  My PFDs, flares or throwables have not changed in a couple weeks time.  At least give us the respect knowing if we are responsible enough to deal with the seriousness of fishing out of these rigs, know we take care of inspect them with or without laws.  If not, thats your own stupidity and will eventually catch up with you.  Can anyone honestly say that you feel safer when you see the state police, PAFBC and the DOT the INS all at the ramps all at the same time?  Do you think these gatherings are organized with intentions to keep us safe?  Get real people.  These gatherings are more threatening than cozy and if you feel otherwise, you're full of it and have been through some form of subliminal brainwashing.  I'm sorry, but not this guy.  I won't allow myself to fall victim because I've seen the effects of communism first hand and what its done to my immediate ancestors.  It all looks damn similar except for the fact that they aren't as blunt about here as they once were overseas!  Get that form ready Indian Summer becuase I'll be carrying it with me!

Now lets go catch some muskie and enjoy an ice cold Karlovacko at days end!!


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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 12:38:14 PM   
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A few years back I was in a hurry to get out fishing. Went to pull into the bait stand , took it to fast, hit the curb and sheared my boat axel right off at the hub shaft , put that axel right to the pavement blocking the entrance to the baitshop. With me was my friend fresh out of the Army and Iraq also another buddy who is a West County police officer. (Yes I have friends and family that are in law enforcement.) All the safety checks in the world and being with an off duty police officer did not help me with my stupidity. Accidents happen. Grendell you say I dont know about my rights. Well I can recite the Constitution, have read letters and speaches from our founding fathers like Adams ,Jefferson, Washington,Franklin, and have read some of the Federalists papers. Listen to shortwave radio daily not Fox news. I dont have a problem with the fish commission being at the launches I have nothing to hide. I probably would go B.S with them time provided. But helicopters, State Police, Erie police, I.N.S. thats just to excessive. You question me about being a S.O.N.S member well that is all. I dont speak for them but I will tell you that if S.O.N.S. had your mentality of submitting to government there would be no places for the bucket fishermen. They had the guts to stand up to  the port athority and  city council and make them follow the ordinances to allow shore access to fishermen. remember ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY...

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 12:52:27 PM   
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Mudd,

We are talking bout something that happened on ONE weekend. It was a joint TRAINING exercise ( I'm sure you want them well trained for the future. ). Does the PF&BC do boat checks every week? Yes. State police check points, are less common, and you seldom see INS unless there is some sort of alert. Operations of the magnitude you're describing, don't hapen every day, every week, or every month. They occur once, or twice a year, and ARE necessary.

Should something happen IN Erie, or THROUGH Erie, you would be asking. Why weren't they prepared?

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 1:02:30 PM   
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Exactly ........ Communist Wealth of Pennsylvannia .. IE boys club to provide thier bretheren with jobs . Its a big click ready to give the middle class big fines to keep thier click employed , court system clerks , lawyers , cops , judges , consulors for the "socially challenged" the list goes on. This place is WAY over regulated . Now we have to insure quads , boats , houses , pretty soon it will be pets . WTF wake up folks this is America and being born a citizen you have rights . I know there's many good enforcers of the law but click it or ticket ? BS  come on now revenue for Rendels growing greener plan.  Widdling away freedoms each day you hit that on the head.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 1:05:53 PM   
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Make it a point to get the courtesy coast guard auxilary safety inspection before the boating season even begins and make sure to get your window sticker.  It saved us safety checks at Lampe and out on the water in years past.  They took a look at the sticker, saw that it was current, and moved on to the next boat after saying thank you.  Had the run up by the DCNR out on the lake (those guys almost ran over our planer boards on two separate occassions) and they just wanted to see our licenses (they were on our hats which a couple of us were not wearing at the time) and I am sure, were checking the rod count.  Of course, they gunned it full throttle just off our bow as they left right as we were getting to our good numbers so who know how many eyes they spooked. 

As far as the trailer inspection, I can say that we never had our trailer inspected even though our boat was well north of 4,000#.  My dad kept up on the brakes, lights, tires and wheel bearings every year so I know we were safe but, our trailer had surge brakes and only on one axle, from the manufacturer.  I guess we just got lucky never being checked.  How PA can legislate something beyong what US DOT/NHTSA does is beyong me though.  If the manufacturer's say the trailer can handle it and it meets federal requirements, then I would definitely be fighting that ticket on principle. 

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 1:58:06 PM   
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maybe im missing the boat here........i just dont want to be hit by a runaway trailer cause someone didnt bother to look at it for 5 years..

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 2:06:32 PM   
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I've been stopped on the lake by the coast guard twice and stopped at walnut by the fish comm too many times to count, and while I don't think it is right that we can be stopped and boarded without a true reason(a clear vilation of some sort), the officers have always been very polite. It does help, as CB already stated, when you start handing them all the items they want to check. Usually just get a thank you and they are on there way. I have never been offered a sticked for my window though.


As to the trailer inspections, I have been fishing on boats since I could walk and trailering boats since I was old enough to drive and have NEVER had anyone ask to see my inspection...good thing because I never realized they needed inspected. Not that ignorance of the law is an excuse, but who knew about this? Asked around to al my family and friends...all clueless. I called around trying to find a garage to inspect my rig and most of them had no idea that a non-commercial trailer under 10,000lbs had to be inspected. I have no issues with the inspection, but how about a reminder...I renew my registration every year nothing there about having it inspected.

The brakes on all axels is total BS. I've been pulling the same rig for 20+ years, surge brakes on one axel only with no problems. This is the way it came from the manufacturer and works fine. With regualr maint it will continue to be adequate. For the state to mandate that we all spend $$ to add unnecessary items to our trailers is crap. I'm looking at a minimum of $300 if I add myself or up too $800 to have it done. Also, no update or notice when my registration was due for renewal. My state rep has recieved an email noting my displeasure. I can see requiring this on NEW trailers, but to have to retro fit 25 year old rigs is riduculous.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/24/2008 2:29:04 PM   
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"Yea, but if you go out on the lake unprepared and someone drowns whose fault is it?...Is it yours for being ignorant??,

Yes. The same as if you drown even though you were prepared. Should they put a fence around the lake?

For the record... I have friends & family that are both current and retired police. Guess what.... they see what I see. To make it clear I totally agree with a $29 inspection. For the record also, I personally knew the guy who's chipper shredder let loose on route 8. There is no question that people neglect their main vehicle let alone trailers which sit unused much of the time. I just want equal treatment as a boater that I get in my truck. They don't pull us over routinely to make sure the seat belts are on and that the baby seat is up to code etc. NOW... if they see a violation in progress then there is probable cause. Different story....but not the story at the ramps. CB I know I probably sound like some radical from the Montana Malitia to you and your buddy Grendel but my point is this.... citizenship in this country is not what it once was. We're a mile off track. AND things do not get a mile off track over night. We get off track an inch at a time until we finally look back & notice, when it's too late, that we are way off track. There are people who influence this problem. This is one of the few countries where we elect a president instead of a dictator. Dictators dictate what their people will do. Presidents and other politicians were once public servants. We got off track in that department long ago and it's really peaking since 911. Fact:George Bush said that he should be able to spy on US citizens for their own good in the interest of homeland security. That is starting down  the wrong track toward no more warrants being needed and probable cause goes out the door. Very bad. In a way we are drowning. Think about that for a minute. The election no longer have anything to do with counting votes. Some state's elections are deemed corrupt or errors prevented them from being used or they didn't have the election on the right date so it's null and void. What the heck is that!!! OK... there needs to be laws in the best interest of all of us. 

Now to the point.... the current system pertaining to multiple boat and trailer checks sux. So does the brakes on all wheels law. Both are borderline unconstitutional. If that kind of thing gets out of control we'll need border crossings between states such as Ohio and Pa to make sure all the hazardous people from ALL 49 other states who only have brakes on one axle don't kill, er I mean, terrorize us! Jesus. More and more the laws we need most are the ones that control the government and how laws are made in the first place..... or more simply, laws to protect the people from the government. If you guys need to know anything else refer to my other posts or about the last ten from others. Democracy class dismissed.

Think I'll go check the fish reports or clean the boat.... we're getting off track of the fishing thing.

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One last thing.... - 6/24/2008 2:41:59 PM   
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One last very important fact. If the politicians are suggesting that being from a commonwealth  means Pennsylvania is not part of the country that is referred to as seceeding from the union and we covered that topic in the Civil War back a couple hundred years ago.

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RE: One last thing.... - 6/24/2008 3:10:24 PM   
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I just want to go fishing with as little problems as necessary....but i do see just reason in the annual inspection just due to simple neglect by some boaters......

Its not like they can have a meeting and ask, "whoevers trailer works right raise your hand"

Nope dont sound like a nut from Montana, your entitled to your opinion.  Just in my experiences the ones i see "picked on" somewhat deserve it...

I havent been checked yet...and i think all last year I may have said Hi to the WCO Officer one time to check fish and my extinguisher.  Thats in 50+ days on the lake...

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RE: One last thing.... - 6/24/2008 3:31:30 PM   
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Indiam Summer....you totally crack me up dude!  Are you trying to tell me that this current president of the good 'ol USA is not a dictator????  Wow!  Silly me, I thought differently being they taught me in history class that the US president elect cannot be such.  Hmmmmmmmm

All I know is that I got breaks on all 4 of my trailer tires and that makes me EXTRA special here in PA!!!!  Although my trailer is not yet inspected, but will be in about a week....good thing since I'm going fishing somewhere where they don't require it for the next week anyway!!! 

I'll be thinking of all of you while I'm there (yeah right), no offense....That Canadian beer always gets me in a tizzy!

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RE: One last thing.... - 6/24/2008 4:15:05 PM   
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have fun hookin into a laker i know you can even bag some good size muskie this time of year

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RE: One last thing.... - 6/24/2008 4:22:01 PM   
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quote:

That Canadian beer always gets me in a tizzy!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/20329/canadian_beer_ad/


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