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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/18/2008 7:28:43 PM

dmksra

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ordered new axle + backing plates and hubs + brakes through internet ,they made axle same length as my old axle. easy to measure. Can look up company name if you need to contact them. I did the work myself and it was not that complicated.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/18/2008 7:44:39 PM

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The fine is alot higher than just getting it inspected. $108 is correct. I had a friend get busted last year 2 minutes from home in Ross Twp.

CB.... looks like the max width isn't 10 feet????

I still think 55 is the limit. I've heard that from alot of people. The reason you don't get pulled over is because, like many laws, they don't enforce it, just like inspections until now. Plus they'd be pulling over every rig that came down the road. My personal opinion is that the police don't think much of the law themselves and many probably pull a trailer themselves and run at the posted limit.

Once again............

There is NO LAW requiring a vehicle towing a trailer to travel 55mph when the posted speed limit is higher than 55mph. As far as inspections being enforced, always have and always will be.
Just as a caution, remember when the trailer (actually some sort of wood chipper I think) broke away from it's truck and hit a mini-van on Route 8 2 years ago and killed 3 or 4 people in the van?
That memory should be enough for EVERYONE to make sure your trailer is safe and inspected if required. It's not a matter of law, it's a matter of safety............

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/18/2008 8:45:04 PM

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Anybody know the closest place around Walnut or Lake City to get a trailer inspected?
I leave my Boat up there year round and have never got an Inspection as do lots of the other Boaters where I keep it, but I am thinking seriously about getting it done.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/18/2008 9:44:25 PM

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yes commander where looking for you .me and steal after you big time watch your ass where out in full force to look for guy's like you . we got the paper,s on you now the law,s going to get you big time. we play game,s on here to get the dead beats. and your one of them ha ha ha ha ha ha ha your done

like ive always said, ring the doorbell. look forward to meeting you fellas. why would fellas like you need the law? make sure when you stop you let me know who is "ding" and who is "dong."

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/18/2008 10:10:05 PM

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Indian Summer...I heard those breaks on the trailer you got for that Sportcraft aren't even working and leak fluid from Pittsburgh all the way to Erie. They say they know everytime you head up to the big pond just by the dripping trail to Erie on 79! Is there any truth to that??

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/18/2008 10:17:26 PM

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Information from Boat US Trailering club-some of this contradicts other sites

http://www.boatus.com/trailerclub/matlantic_laws.asp

Boating Law Administrator: 717-657-4538
Maximum Speed Limit: 55

This club is cited often but they are not PA Code and I believe their information is not correct.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/19/2008 1:51:02 PM

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I like the way my 9'6" handles the water. very stable for a trailerable boat.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/21/2008 4:28:33 PM

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dmksra...... heck yeah give me the company name. I'd rather do them myself. Nice to know how things are put together if the time ever comes when something needs fixed.

ShutUpNFish...... I heard they thought your brakes were leaking but after following your trail they figured out it was an open bottle of that Croatian beer rolling around in the back! After a few of those the gas works better than the brakes but the steering gets a little shaky!

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/21/2008 6:41:08 PM

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Karlovacko Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/21/2008 7:50:27 PM

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They were over at the North East Marina also. Even had the chopper up...

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/21/2008 8:53:50 PM

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They were over at the North East Marina also. Even had the chopper up...

The PA fish and boat gestapo is on their annual fund raising mission, with help from other nazi based orginizations from the sounds of things, our freedoms are going to hell in a hurry, and most of us will say or do nothing just bend over and take it, Ive kept my boat docked in 4 different states on the great lakes and what is happening in PA now is nothing but bullshit harassment, Ive never seen this in the other states in 25 years on the lakes, not saying it doesnt happen, Ive just never witnessed it

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/21/2008 10:12:57 PM

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It amazes me. Every now and then I finally get to see some people are finally figuring out what is going on. This is conditioning. We are being conditioned every day to accept a police state. We are experiencing a form of facism. People need to research history and see how the horrible atrocities of the past have come about. And yes they all start out with police checks and the likes. And there was always people who accepted them as well they keep us safe. I hate having to write about this subject I wish it would never would come up. I just want to fish within all legal laws and be left alone. Free to live out my inaliable rights given by god not government. Fish on....

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/21/2008 11:31:42 PM

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I was going to bite my tongue and stay out of this one...but alas...I cannot do it! Some of the comments on this thread are...well..cannot find a strong enough word to describe blatant ignorance!

Rights...rights...rights...we have a right to do whatever we want and to be left alone! Do you actually read and believe your gibberish? Ever hear of the Social Contract? Here it is in a nutshell.

Goes back to the times of Cesare Beccaria and Jeremy Bentham and even before. You see, we are all born with unrestricted free will (they used to cll this natural law). However, to allow people to exercise their "free will" without some sort of control would certainly lead to a bad scene. So there is a need to control "rights." Controlling these rights not only protects people from themselves, but it also aids in protecting other people from having some clown violating their rights through the exercise of their rights. Get the picture?

Now, back to the current situation. So you have your boat checked; sometimes more than once. Big deal! I know personally that it does not take that long to do. Doing so, protects you and your family from danger out on the lake. Furthermore, it will protect others who might have to come to your aid just in the event you BLEEP up and are not lawfully or otherwise adequately prepared. Yeah, the law can be a pain in the rear, but it also can be a huge help. Just depends upon which side of the fence you are on at the time. However, and make no mistake about it, the law is for everyone and it is not going away.

So, in closing, if having 15 mins. taken out of your busy day is too much for you, sell the boat! When you registered it you knew there were laws regulating the safe handling of a water craft. Did you think those would not be enforced? Did you think those white boats at the marina were for show and tell?

For those that are lawful and wish to have a Safety Sticker applied, good idea, but there are nuances to that. For example, being checked in May does not mean you will be ok in July. Flares expire, type IV throwables become torn, and you might have left a PFD at home and be short. There are other scenarios that could be inserted here, but I am sure one gets the picture. It is tough to ascertain who the good eggs are and who are not good eggs. So everyone gets the treatment. This is life in a free society.

Really saddens me to hear how people bash an organization that is there to protect, enhance, and conserve. Then again, they are heralded when they take away poachers who are steeling your precious Slime in the fall. These folks protect your freedom to recreate in and on Commonwealth waters.

So, factor in some inconvenience to your precious freedom and just go with it. I am sure you will survive.

I hope not all SONS feel as though the above post does. I had great respect for that organization.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 12:47:39 AM

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My boat was inspected 3 times in one day during the regatta.
I was pulled over for making a wake-total bull
They make a huge wake to pull me over at just over idle speed.

Most of the questions were about drinking-I told them that I did not have anything to drink and they pretty much called me a liar. The girls on my boat were drinking champagne and I had Gatorade or iced tea.
During the regatta I think that they let any moron that makes a donation have a blue light.

I now my boat is loud and fast and the scantily clad women dancing and drinking to the sounds of a 2000W stereo did attract some attention.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 7:13:13 AM

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I personally have seen more cops writing tickets to drivers,and I have seen the whole clan at the boat ramps. Seems like they are trying to enforce the laws a little stiffer. Maybe they got some threat that the public isnt aware of ??? Who knows it is our responsibility to make sure our boat complies with the law.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 7:33:31 AM

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Trying to catch drinking boaters or some poor slob with too many eyes with a helicopter seems like over kill too me. I don't mind being checked ONCE. After that I am being harassed..

Kinda funny one of my buddies was at North East fishing with one of his friends last week. The first boat came in and radioed out to the other the law man is all over so make sure your ducks are in a row.
He radioed back his boat was tight the law man can't find anything wrong on my boat.
He was right in a sense,he was okay as far as his boat went.But when he hit the state police road block out of the harbor they hammered him. No trailer insp.(didn't know it had to be),no brakes on one axle(didn't know he needed brakes on both),chains not crossed(stupid mistake), and a clearance light was out on his trailer..Ouch!!

Most lawmen I have the utmost respect for they do a very hard job. But there are some king type-A personalities out there in law enforcement that are total A$$holes. Let's get 6-8 of these guys around each other seeing who can be the biggest Prick in town and yours and my rights usually take a beating....

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 8:58:05 AM

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Grendel, While I appreciate your point and good post, by the way, My point was and is. Would the majority of motorists on PA highways allow this without a bitchfest of sorts, I hope not. I think all agree laws are needed, but what happened to needing a good cause for being pulled over. If my above post sounds like sour grapes, Ive never been cited for ANY boating, fishing, or hunting violation, so I like to think my principles made me post what I did. I currently dock in OH and from what Ive been hearing probably wont venture into PA waters. As a kid, I used to work at the spillway selling bread and saw the PFBG at its worst harrasing tourists 35 years ago for reaching over the fence to fetch a piece of bread to feed the carp, so I think the gestapo mentality is ingrained in these officers training and needs to stop. If we as a group had the balls to remind these people , we control their paychecks and demand they do their jobs as a service to the public, things might change. The current culture at the PFBG seems to make them think they are god almighty and makes them forget the citizens of PA and their guests are the actual superiors they need to respect and answer to, as without these funds, these folks would be out of a job

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 9:05:23 AM

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People are brainwashed into thinking that any intrusion is OK and should be expected in a free society.
I don't think folks even understand what "freedom" means.
Yeah, I hate having this discussion also. You will never convince someone else that your beliefs are right no matter which side of the debate your on.

I will stick to fishing topics, at least we all want to learn how to better our skills/and catch rate.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 9:45:38 AM

Grendel

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Slay,

"I will stick to fishing topics, at least we all want to learn how to better our skills/and catch rate."

Good idea, for I am not convinced that you understand the complex nature of "Freedom."

Blunt,

I understand where you are coming from. Certainly there are some bad apples in every barrel, but the majority are not bad and I still would rather have the protection they provide as oposed to having people exercise their freewills over everyone else. That would just be chaos!

Now having all these law enforcements offficers on the water is NOT a daily occurance. So that is not an issue neither. There are PFBC boats at every marina, and they will do what they need to do. From experience, these guys are really there to make sure the laws are being followed and everyone is safe.

Hope you have a safe boating season!

Doc

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 10:37:49 AM

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Got trailer inspected with just one set of brakes. Have a 4500 lb boat. So do I need brakes on all tires or did they inspect wrong?

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 2:40:53 PM

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where did you get this done...I'm having trouble finding someone to inspect mine thanks

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 4:51:57 PM

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I see this all the time. There is a terrible accident, and suddenly you hear talk, and read letters to the editor, about how speeding is common there, or nobody really stops at the light. Where are the cops? But when the cops hit such a stretch with heavy enforcement, all you hear is how they are just in it for the revenue, and "harrssing" people. You can't have it both ways. Either lax enforcement, and a dangerous situation, or tough enforcement and safe highways.

The same can apply in regards to boating, or trailering. A few minutes of your/my time, or the life of a friend, family member, or even a stranger. They ain't writing up violations that don't exist. So whose at fault, you for being in violation, or them for enforcing the law? We all know the answer. Some of us just don't like it.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 5:44:29 PM

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Spoon, Grendel,
     I couldn't agree with you folks more. Sometimes it seems to me that the people who whine the largest about "liberties" being infringed on are the same people who expect the government (who they don't want interferring with their lives) to take care of them when they get injured due to carelessness.   I see it every day down here in KY (no inspection, minimal insurance laws) somebody gets hurt or killed in an accident due to faulty equipment or faulty driving (DWI) and then the state has to pick up the bills for the hospitalization, re-hab, or take care of the widows and children.
     Last year I took my boat to the lake and was spot checked by a fish & game officer. He failed me one one count of the inspection but told me to go ahead and fish anyhow. I politely asked him if he would be here when I finished because I didn't want to get ticketed when I pulled out. He said "no" so I went home, lost a day with the family, but I fixed the deficiency and was GtG the next time I went out. My violation: Fire ext. was low charge.


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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/22/2008 9:21:47 PM

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sometimes

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 12:46:01 AM

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Does anyone have a thought to add concerning the addition of a second set of brakes to a dual axle trailer and the difference you felt in driving and safety?Mine is 3150# boat,motor and trailer(inspected) and I have one axle with surge brakes.I highly doubt I would feel the difference if I added another one, because if I had a single axle,the weight would be just under 3000# and I wouldn't need any brakes.I may get a ticket if I get inspected by an officer or may not,can't tell from this board anyway.I certainly am not going to get a set added on someones personal opinion here which should be taken lightly.I've seen a lot of wrong info here.
Hey Bing,what did your buddies boat weigh in at or can you just say what it was and we can go find it? I'm on the fence about this whole second axle needs brakes too,sounds like overkill for a small boat.

RE-edit.

Crap,I just read PA law 175.130 said all wheels need to have brakes on them and reject inspection if all do not have brakes on all wheels over 3000#.Silly a$$ PA.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 6:21:41 AM

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Got stopped 3 times between Sat/Sun. Really nice guys for being the law. I had caught no fish on Sunday - Till I met them (or rather they met me). Once they checked me over, they pointed me to some spots they saw people catching them earlier. I ended up limiting out. Each time I was stopped it took about 1/2 hour (mostly because I was BS with them), but it sure does interupt the fishing day. I'm really not thrilled with them boarding my boat just because they can - and they had no problem letting me know that they "CAN" in a polite fashion. I don't mind being stopped in the marina or launch if they want to do a safety check, but out on the lake 3 times is a little excessive. Everyone has a job to do - I have mine and they have theirs. If that's what they are paid to do then I expect them to do it the best they can - noting that it their job is paid by our taxes. Is it a public service or a public nuisance. I think they should find a balance of both -

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 9:13:33 AM

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"If we as a group had the balls to remind these people , we control their paychecks and demand they do their jobs as a service to the public, things might change."

Try reminding them and see what happens. In a world where homeland security has become a good reason to invade your privacy for your own good that would be considered belligerance and would probably lead to them finding a violation even if there wasn't one.

Grendel.... here's a question for you. Our vehicles get one yearly inspection. We make an appointment to have it done. They give us a sticker that shows we have passed. That does not mean that a month later a headlight has gone out or that brake pads have worn just as flares expire and lights burn out on a boat. Can you imagine what would happen if they started a check point on 79 to see if, even though you have a valid inspection sticker, your vehicle still met the codes that it passed when you had it inspected. If they want to inspect my boat for my own good and your good fine.....but put an annual sticker on and leave us alone after that.

I believe 911 had much worse effects than all the people who lost their lives. Our governement used it as an excuse to become communistic "for our own good".

If you don't think this country is headed in that direction here's a good example. I spend 5 months a year running my outfitting business in Montana. I just found out that they recently passed two laws there. One says that you can no longer build anything with 150 feet of ANY river or stream. Mind you in the Bitterroot Valley the hills come right down to the river and more than half of the homes and businesses are located within this limit. If any strucure were to burn to the ground tomorrow the owner will not be permitted to rebuild. All of that land is now classified as recreational property. People who owned it watched the land value reduced by 50-75% over night.

Here's the better one...anyone who has more than three parties a year (they don't define party) whether at home or else where needs to buy a permit and list when, where, and how many will be at the party. More than 10 parties and things really get costly and ugly. I thought one of the first things our fore fathers did was give us the right to congregate and a freedom of speech. Past governments thought that the meeting of us peasants was a threat to their authority. What if I have a wife and two kids and we want to have a birthday party for each of us plus maybe invite friends over for a 4th of July picnic and maybe celebrate Christmas? I'm 4 picnics away from being treated like a criminal! Don't tell us that the government doesn't abuse it's authority.

We are heading down a scary path and the Nazi check ponts at every boat ramp are just another example. They found a place where we congregate and use it as an opportunity to harass us. I have a sticker on my truck, I have one on my trailer. Again.... put one on my boat and get the hell out of the way. I didn't get up at 5 in the morning to have a "friendly" conversation with some power tripping military police wannabe.

Manufacturers know how many sets of brakes it takes to stop a trailer. Apparently the other 49 states agree with that. What if I decided to put a third axle on my trailer? If two sets of brakes are enough to stop my boat and trailer at a total of 4700 pounds, and is legal for weights much higher, why should I need brakes on every axle I decide to add at only another 150 pounds each? B.S!

I see your point but you are one of the brainwashed who better open their eyes to the changes that are taking place fast. What's next, helmets, seatbelts and turn signals on all boats? Lucky for us disc brakes don't work on the water.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 9:50:07 AM

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While trolling on the lake, I've never been stopped by, or boarded by the PA fish commission, but there is a dept. of conservation boat (that Parker) that routinely pulls up parrallel to my trolling direction, and to the outside of my planer boards. Ussually at least two onboard. The guy in the cockpit of the boat has binoculars and is looking for fishing licenses and counting rods. Just make sure they see your fishing license and that your not fishing too many rods and they are happily on their way. Even get a "thank you" over the radio. Doesn't bother me one bit. I did have the Coast Guard check me out once when I pulled up to the dock at the State park marina. I liked the fact that they did their check. I considered it as good confirmation that I had my ducks in a row, safety wise.

PA does seem to lay it on kind of heavy when it comes to fish and game enforcement. I fished out of Ohio for years and I don't even recall seeing an Ohio fish commisioner. I wish PA would scale back a little on the fish and game enforcement and spend some of that money on better launch facilities.

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 11:40:11 AM

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if they started a check point on 79 to see if, even though you have a valid inspection sticker, your vehicle still met the codes that it passed when you had it inspected

They do for commercial vehicles-it is called a weigh station

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RE: Warning to Anyone using Lampe Launch - 6/23/2008 11:51:54 AM

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I recieved a ticket two years ago on 79 south by the Meadville exit. The fine was $110. Told trooper that I was not aware of the law and I had never had any of my trailers inspected before. He said I guess you have just been lucky. The GVWR on your trailer registration card will show what the weight is at for your rig. If its over 3,000 you have to get it inspected.

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