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mr.crappie -> southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/9/2008 4:55:37 PM)

In case you don't know,the PFC is proposing to open trout season in 2009 2 weeks early,but in doing so they will close the early season trout starting mar.1rst.  this effects 14 lakes in the southwest by not only closing it for trout ,but other species as well. This will impact a lot of people such as bait dealers,tackle dealers in the area. Also cause a lot of people to either spend a lot more on gas or quit fishing in that period.I wouldn't mind if they would make it c&r for that period,but can't see how we are benifiting by gaining 2 weeks & losing a month. you only have until june 19th to voice your opinions. You can do this online by going to:www.fishandboat.com/regcomments.,& filling out the form.  IF NOT YOU,WHO?  IF NOT NOW,WHEN?     sam 



Maga2120 -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/9/2008 5:57:07 PM)

Not to cause a debate on here but when you lake fish 50 percent of the trout you catch are not releaseable, i dont care wat they say about cutting the line they will still die



spoonchucker -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/9/2008 7:01:35 PM)

"Not to cause a debate on here but when you lake fish 50 percent of the trout you catch are not releaseable,"

And you can qualify this statement how? Do you really think you can make a statement like that, and NOT get a debate. I was fortunate enough to catch more than a couple hundred Trout, from a LAKE (S) during the early season, and can assure you not ONE died from being gut hooked, over stressed.



Carphead -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/9/2008 9:45:28 PM)

I agree. Caught hundreds of trout early season jigging under a float and never once saw a fish go belly up. You must be refering to the powerbaiters Maga, which a lot of fisherman aren't.



Maga2120 -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/9/2008 11:25:48 PM)

go to twin lakes during the first week of trout and you will see the dead trout



HardCore Fisher -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/9/2008 11:30:33 PM)

Less fish in lakes, more in streams, the lakes are way too overstocked in my opinion.

Ronnie



Puffy -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 7:49:46 AM)

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Less fish in lakes, more in streams, the lakes are way too overstocked in my opinion.


I agree with that, as it would fit my fishing agenda.  I hate lake fishing for Trout. But.... lakes are the easiest ways to get youngster hooked, and that's what we need right ?  Lat's face it.  Youngins, for the most part, can't enjoy the types of stream fishing most of us do.



the_lip_ripper -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 10:05:41 AM)

In my OPINION, March is one of the best months for serious trout fishing. A lot of water has had an early season stocking and you do not have to compete with a lot of the non-sense that takes place after opening day.

If the month of March is closed to trout fishing, we just lost one of the best kept secrets!



Rich_FishUSA -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 10:24:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mr.crappie

In case you don't know,the PFC is proposing to open trout season in 2009 2 weeks early,but in doing so they will close the early season trout starting mar.1rst.


I can't speak to the lake fishing issue. But, if the PFBC closes trout fishing on streams for the month of March then I would think they all went nuts and would doubt their ability to function in society.

I think you must have your information a bit confused.

If anything they should open trout season to year round fishing and lower the daily limit to 3 trout. They should then stock every other week. That way we can go fishing when the weather allows knowing that fresh fish were put in the water no more the one week prior.



Stillhead -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 10:50:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HardCore Fisher

Less fish in lakes, more in streams, the lakes are way too overstocked in my opinion.

Ronnie



Yes, they should quit stocking them in the deep lakes that support them all summer, and dump them  in pine creek,deer creek, and all the other sewer drainages where they are currently struggling too survive this heat. Not all the lakes are junk like canonsburg.  You're statement is too general.  There are some lakes that shouldn't be stocked. There are also many streams though that probably shouldn't be. In my opinion they should concentrate on stocking the lakes and streams where fish have a chance of making it for more than a few weeks.


On the original topic,  closing the lakes for a month of fishing so they can have "opening day" two weeks earlier is just dumb. I'd like them to explain to me what anybody is gaining from that.



Rich_FishUSA -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 11:55:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stillhead

Yes, they should quit stocking them in the deep lakes that support them all summer, and dump them  in pine creek,deer creek, and all the other sewer drainages where they are currently struggling too survive this heat. <snip>
In my opinion they should concentrate on stocking the lakes and streams where fish have a chance of making it for more than a few weeks.



Yes, lake stocking with trout is more or less just feeding other fish.

I agree with stocking only colder water streams after a certain date.

But, I see piss streams that hold brookies all year. Why do the stocked trout have such a hard time living in streams?



RIZ -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 12:22:33 PM)

stocking trout ain't about getting them to make it through the summer, it's about getting them caught by the most people.  it's a put and take thing.  they ant to get the most bang for their buck.  the more chances people have to catch fish the more they want to fish and therefore be satisfied.  and i don't blame them for this in the least.   it costs a lot of money to raise and stock these fish, and for the sole purpose of being caught.  they an not expected to live till next season, if they do that's just a bonus.



Cold -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 12:30:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Maga2120

go to twin lakes during the first week of trout and you will see the dead trout


This is because, quite frankly, 95% of the people who go to Twin Lakes for first day have no business holding a fishing rod.  I'd like to see an educational requirement similar to a hunter/trapper safety course for fishing.  I caught several "cut-liners" at Lower Twin with hooks nearly totally decomposed in their throat, so I'd estimate they we're doing okay...and this line cut by one of the aforementioned nincompoops who cut the line leaving about 8" of 30# mono trailing form the corner of the trout's mouth (because who knows when you'll catch a 30 pound trout at twin lakes, right?).

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes, you're going to see dead fish at a heavily pressured lake, but when you consider all the fishermen that fish it, all the fish that are hooked, landed, and released, and the amount of fish you see dead, I'd say your 50% looks alot more like 3-5% to me.  I had my first fish die on me last night up at Conemaugh Lake since well over a year ago (not counting a few crappie that are gonna make a nice camping meal soon), it's all about learning how to keep fish alive.

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In my OPINION, March is one of the best months for serious trout fishing. A lot of water has had an early season stocking and you do not have to compete with a lot of the non-sense that takes place after opening day.


Amen!  I was trout fishing 3-4 times per week from early March up to the day before opening day (in a DHALO section), and after opening day I think I've gone for trout maaaybe 5 times.  Opening day ruins it for me.

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If anything they should open trout season to year round fishing and lower the daily limit to 3 trout. They should then stock every other week. That way we can go fishing when the weather allows knowing that fresh fish were put in the water no more the one week prior.


I totally agree on the year round season.  Though bi-weekly stockings will probably bump your license price up to $50-60.  Still, without the hype of opening day, the trout wouldnt get depleted nearly as quickly.

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On the original topic,  closing the lakes for a month of fishing so they can have "opening day" two weeks earlier is just dumb. I'd like them to explain to me what anybody is gaining from that.


What they get is alot of hype that incites the once-yearly fishermen to drop $32 on a license and trout stamp that they'll never use after the second weekend in April.  It's an excellent business practice, really.  But should you really manage your natural resources like a corporation?



Stillhead -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/10/2008 12:50:52 PM)

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Why do the stocked trout have such a hard time living in streams?

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I thought that was a no brainer.  High water temps.= low oxygen levels. Combined with low water of summer = stressed trout trapped in puddles = easy prey.



All the trout stocked in lakes do not get eaten by other fish. Some do, but the lakes with 20+ feet of water hold trout all summer.  There are plenty of ways to catch them too without using powerbait on the bottom, or even bait for that matter.




mr.crappie -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/11/2008 8:12:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rich_FishUSA

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ORIGINAL: mr.crappie

In case you don't know,the PFC is proposing to open trout season in 2009 2 weeks early,but in doing so they will close the early season trout starting mar.1rst.


I can't speak to the lake fishing issue. But, if the PFBC closes trout fishing on streams for the month of March then I would think they all went nuts and would doubt their ability to function in society.

I think you must have your information a bit confused.

If anything they should open trout season to year round fishing and lower the daily limit to 3 trout. They should then stock every other week. That way we can go fishing when the weather allows knowing that fresh fish were put in the water no more the one week prior.

Rich,sorry if I didn't make it clear that I was talking about the 14 lakes that are included in this proposal.    sam



fryem -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/11/2008 10:29:22 AM)

My 2 cents since this is the SW Pa forum...The idea of no opening day and bi-weekly stockings is both good and bad Take a look at West Virgina's stocking program www.wvdnr.gov they stock trout from jan / feb to June with no opening day but only stock only a couple of lakes and streams per county some monthly others bi-weekly. IMO the only thing this gets rid off is large opening day crowds. WV generally stocks larger trout than Pa even now that Pa is stocking bigger fish. Also in the northern panhandle they stock mostly rainbows & Goldens/ palamino but sometimes Brook trout are mixed in. Also another note most anglers are from pa. based on car license plates parked along the streams. Although WV fishing has gone downhill since everybody has internet access You can still start Stream stocked trout season much earlier than Pa.   



Rich_FishUSA -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/11/2008 11:09:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mr.crappie
Rich,sorry if I didn't make it clear that I was talking about the 14 lakes that are included in this proposal.    sam


No problem. I saw you said the lakes. But, I wasn't sure if you meant "only" lakes or "also" lakes.

I should have read the proposal, but thought I would give my opinion just in case.



71gto -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/11/2008 12:25:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fryem

My 2 cents since this is the SW Pa forum...The idea of no opening day and bi-weekly stockings is both good and bad Take a look at West Virgina's stocking program www.wvdnr.gov they stock trout from jan / feb to June with no opening day but only stock only a couple of lakes and streams per county some monthly others bi-weekly. IMO the only thing this gets rid off is large opening day crowds. WV generally stocks larger trout than Pa even now that Pa is stocking bigger fish. Also in the northern panhandle they stock mostly rainbows & Goldens/ palamino but sometimes Brook trout are mixed in. Also another note most anglers are from pa. based on car license plates parked along the streams. Although WV fishing has gone downhill since everybody has internet access You can still start Stream stocked trout season much earlier than Pa.   


Fryem,
 
I use to fish alot in WVa, and there are a lot of nice streams to fish and big fish too. With gas getting up there and I haven't hit the Powerball yet, most my fishing is going to be local, hitting places I have't fished in years around here.
 
71



JEB -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/11/2008 3:20:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: the_lip_ripper

In my OPINION, March is one of the best months for serious trout fishing. A lot of water has had an early season stocking and you do not have to compete with a lot of the non-sense that takes place after opening day.

If the month of March is closed to trout fishing, we just lost one of the best kept secrets!

How true, I catch just a ton of fish in that early season with no other idiots around, the lake I fish lake is loaded with bows, they stock it for ice fishing season, then they stock again for the "early" season, once March 1 hits, its fish on !!!
I catch over a 100 trout every March in just a few outings. If this is elimnated, it will suck....



Smoothy -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/11/2008 10:11:28 PM)

Some of you may remember over the last two years i've run a thread discussing this. The lakes should not even be included in the early opener mix. Ice out may be still a problem during the stocking times for lakes. My latest thought is to make the season opener earlier by two weeks south of rt 80, and a week later in the north of rt 80. Have all streams catch and release till mid may, then those who "must" keep em good luck. This gives PFBC a logistical edge, concentrating their trucks and labor in regions in lieu of a state wide give it hell ordeal. Starting early will get more license sold to the guys that will have other things to do in mid April. Yes he just may buy that license to fill the void for a month till golf season and mushroom hunting not to mention running into turkey season get going, not to mention all the coming out of winter crap there is  to do. These are all reasons why fishing licenses are not sold plus the fact they are 40 bucks. People will draw the line when money spent doesn't stack up with time spent. 



plnoldrick -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/11/2008 10:29:42 PM)

i wish they would make the season year round. i catch some of my biggest bass of the year in mid/late march early april. it would be nice to not be barred from fishing trout lakes during that time.



mxdad66 -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/12/2008 6:51:29 PM)

Speaking of the "sewer drainage's", Pine,Deer,Bull and the others,Fished Deer creek last Sunday morning,all to my self,there are plenty of fish there and caught several everyhole I fished, some were very nice.The water temps. are rising and before too long the will go belly up.head out and catch a few,even take some home,hate to see them die due to warm water.



Smoothy -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (6/13/2008 8:38:38 PM)

Why do so many think trout die when the temps rise... Sure they fall into a sluggish period during which disolved oxygen lessens in the warmer water. Left un-molested by predatation and issues from water quality causing disease, trout move and find the coolest water possible. Spring water seeps, waterfall holes, tributaries and deep holes. They don't just die because it's mid June. They have an ideal temp range they like, when it's so cold they go to a sluggish state as well. The plight of being cold blooded I guess. And radiant heat really effects them. Good in the winter, bad in the summer. I've always caught many holdovers in the fall and winter from the previous season. Actually the stress of catching a trout in summer warmed water will K.O. him and in good possibility kill him. Especially big trout they are very hard to revive in summer water. If you must fish trout in the summer fish the cooler morns and eve's with low sun, land em fast so they are not worn to critical mass. I leave them alone on the really hot days. But all this is general knowledge to the trout fisher. Sometimes i think it's to dam hot as well. 



Rnglgdj -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (8/26/2008 10:41:51 PM)

IMO on why trout die in the summer.

Well they die, as all know, because of the temperature and oxygen. Now I have seen trout in a local stream within the last 2 weeks and caught some.  Some of the ones I saw were turning a light color.  I attributed it to temperature. But some of the others were normal color.

Most of the ones I saw were in slow warm water.  Now the point about moving. The hatchery raised trout are so familiar with the correct water temp and flow.  They did not grow up in survival mode like wild trout having to search for better conditions.  So they end up as a 12-16" fish that does not know how to survive. Take the native trout that survive these really low water streams and you have a hardy, and smart trout ready to survive under any condition.

So bottom line to my point, the fish will survive with a reasonable flow of water and cooler temps. This year we have been lucky with the frequent rains excempt for the last 2 weeks.  Hopefully we will have more rain in the next 2 days and the streams and fish will get a reprieve.

I know some of  most all these streams have a few trout left over.  They might also be just night feeders. Especially those with blue herons hanging over them.

Don R  





flyfishermanPA -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (8/26/2008 10:48:30 PM)

This is something I've just heard about and wow. Personally I think PFC just doesn't care about the bait sellers, tackle dealers, etc. They're more worried about other IMPORTANT things I guess. I figure with the outpour of people not liking this maybe they'll hold out and not buy licenses? No license no fish I see it. No one is making money and they'll be forced to do something wouldn't you think?



tippecanoe -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (8/27/2008 8:13:45 AM)

Why doesn't Pa take a lesson from WVa! Why do we even close trout season?



juddthejudge -> RE: southwestern pa. troutfishermen (8/27/2008 9:44:21 PM)

the reaosn theres alot of dead trout is because people dont know how to properly release them and properly fish i went 2 years catching over 500 trout and having only one die thats only because i was ansering natures call and it swalled the bait and if properly putting powerbait on and settign the hookright you wont kill the fish and yes cutting the line works ive seen some fish wiht as many as 4 hooks in it still alive



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