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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/23/2008 5:39:46 PM

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July 1st can't come fast enough. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pens went after Avery. With Ruutu and Roberts maybe going, we're going to be in need of an agitator. I'd love to see Kennedy fill this role, but Avery is the best now, an it'd be great to have him.

Don't be surprised if Hossa goes somewhere else. Boston probably. I'd love to see the penguins go after someone like Huselius of the Calgary Flames. He's a talented winger and I think would be a good replacement of Hossa, his numbers aren't as good as hossa's but theyre not bad either, he'd be great top line with Crosby.

They way I see it, is we could possibly loose Malone, Hossa, Roberts, Laraque, Ruutu.
I think malone is going to command somwhere in the 4-5 mil range, as Dustin Penner did of Edmonton last year.
Hossa Turned down a contract in the neighborhood of 7 mil.

Roberts is either gonna take less money, or retire, I don't think he's a high commodity due to his injuries in the playoffs, and his age.
Ruutu is probably going to look for more than the 1.15 mil he made this past year, and Malone and Hossa go, they free up some cash to give him that raise.
Laraque is a fan favorite, but overall useless. I love the guy, But he's only good for his Fear Factor an his puck handling behind the net. He made 1.3 last year, and if he's looking for more than that I dont think he's gonna get it from us. Espically since he barely played in the final, or not at all.

Ty Conklin is gone, Good luck to him. I hope he gets the time he deserves. Maybe toronto could use him.

I hope Orpik stays, god he's the man.

Also.....there's a certain number 68 out there too. Hmmmmm Last year he made a little over 8.3mil. At 35, hes over his prime, he'd be a steal at 4.5 -5 with incentives perhaps.....I'll keep dreaming.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/24/2008 8:41:50 AM

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Also.....there's a certain number 68 out there too. Hmmmmm Last year he made a little over 8.3mil. At 35, hes over his prime, he'd be a steal at 4.5 -5 with incentives perhaps.....I'll keep dreaming.

I will turn in my Penguin fan membership if they bring Jagr back. He can stay where he is or enjoy wherever it is that he goes. He's still exceptionally talented, but I have no use for the "Confessions of a Middle Aged Drama Queen" on the Pens.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/24/2008 10:07:40 AM

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Laraque .... Espically since he barely played in the final, or not at all.

I wondered why they didn't use him at all in the finals. He seemed to put the stupid penalty thing behind him on their playoff run. I guess they didn't see that kind of speed during the rest of the playoffs, as Detroit had? I thought that he'd be a good fit in the dump, chase and battle for the puck on the boards. Is he that slow, to not be used for a chase guy? I'd imagine it is the same guys that you'd use for a forechecker, and am almost certain that he did that at times through out the year?

I am in no way saying the outcome of the series rested on the shoulders of Laraque not playing. Just thought that his board play might have been useful?

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/24/2008 10:22:28 AM

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Laraque .... Espically since he barely played in the final, or not at all.

I wondered why they didn't use him at all in the finals. He seemed to put the stupid penalty thing behind him on their playoff run. I guess they didn't see that kind of speed during the rest of the playoffs, as Detroit had? I thought that he'd be a good fit in the dump, chase and battle for the puck on the boards. Is he that slow, to not be used for a chase guy? I'd imagine it is the same guys that you'd use for a forechecker, and am almost certain that he did that at times through out the year?

I am in no way saying the outcome of the series rested on the shoulders of Laraque not playing. Just thought that his board play might have been useful?

You hit the nail on the head early on in your post. The speed of Detroit was one issue, secondly, for the most part, Detroit plays a fairly "un"physical game, there wasn't a whole lot of extra stuff that would require enforcing, and lastly, Adam Hall was one of the better Pens in the series and he replaced Laraque.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/24/2008 11:01:07 AM

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Actually, Smallie they scratched Laroque when they plugged Roberts back into the line-up.. Skill wise ( at least at this point in GR's career ), one for the other is a wash. I think Laroque could hold the forecheck a little longer, sustain longer shifts, and recover defensively quicker. The probly went with Roberts, to boost morale, and bring leadership.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/24/2008 11:27:03 AM

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yeah Spoonie, you're right, I forgot Hall replaced Roberts in the Ottawa series. Good call.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/24/2008 1:05:01 PM

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 1:28:56 AM

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Also.....there's a certain number 68 out there too. Hmmmmm Last year he made a little over 8.3mil. At 35, hes over his prime, he'd be a steal at 4.5 -5 with incentives perhaps.....I'll keep dreaming.

I will turn in my Penguin fan membership if they bring Jagr back. He can stay where he is or enjoy wherever it is that he goes. He's still exceptionally talented, but I have no use for the "Confessions of a Middle Aged Drama Queen" on the Pens.

Not when he puts up 90+ a season you wont.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 7:27:38 AM

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Not when he puts up 90+ a season you wont.

No really, I will. I hate that man. I respect him as a player and he is still very talented, but he is a whiney, pouty, annoying d-bag and I would rather my preferred team go without. We already visited the Bajaromir Bajar-jar Carnival and I would like to leave it at that. No return trips.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 11:56:36 AM

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the more I read of the Pens losses and potential losses, I begin to wonder with the departures of Roberts, and possibly Ruutu, Orpik, Malone and Laraque, who will be left to provide team toughness, come on , if theres noone to check and goon it up a lil, teams are gonna have their way with us no matter how well we skate, I believe with these losses we are totally going in the wrong direction...a checking line consisting of Hall, Filewich, and maybe Dupuis hardly sounds threatening, am I just paranoid or has anyone else thought of this

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 12:05:15 PM

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am I just paranoid or has anyone else thought of this

Probably a little paranoid...

Keep in mind that the Pens are not the only team with free agents. Everyone you mentioned in that list is replaceable.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 12:22:42 PM

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Ruutu or Laraque,both the same thing in terms of production equal each other out in the agitation vs fighting.If that rumor about Brian Campbell is true and they sign Orpik which I believe they have to because he will be very good in the coming years,here are the defensemen so far if those happen for next year: Campbell,Gonchar,LeTang,Goligoski,Orpik

Lot of firepower there.Try to keep Gill too I guess.

Malone is probably gone and will be overpaid most anywhere else because the talent he will have around him will drop.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 12:27:04 PM

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No Eaton or Whitney, and where did the Campbell rumour come from?

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 12:52:27 PM

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OOPs,forgot about Whitney and the often injured Eaton.Saw the Campbell rumor somewhere,think it was a local sports broadcast,probably just more BS like the Malkin trade.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/25/2008 4:29:23 PM

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the more I read of the Pens losses and potential losses, I begin to wonder with the departures of Roberts, and possibly Ruutu, Orpik, Malone and Laraque, who will be left to provide team toughness, come on , if theres noone to check and goon it up a lil, teams are gonna have their way with us no matter how well we skate, I believe with these losses we are totally going in the wrong direction...a checking line consisting of Hall, Filewich, and maybe Dupuis hardly sounds threatening, am I just paranoid or has anyone else thought of this

Paranoid.

Those guys will not all leave and be replaced with nobody.

I'm not concerned in the least.

Let's not forget that the Pens did not win the cup. They are not the best team in the league, therefore they need improvement. And you don't improve by keeping all the same players, some must go.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/26/2008 1:17:28 PM

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I want to know who buys this crap? PA state champs... wow...

http://www.cbssportsstore.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3136381

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/26/2008 2:05:33 PM

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wow that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. The idea for that had to come from a woman who only watches hockey because she thinks "sidney is so cute!!"

If I see someone wearing one it will be hard not to throw rocks at them. Now if the caption was "kryars SuUk duuDS" then it would be cool.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/26/2008 6:11:50 PM

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The salary cap, was raised to 56.7 million. I believe this around 2 million more than was anticipated, and will make it a bit easier for the Pens to re-sign some of these guys. Hossa wants to "test" the free agency market, but seemed to hint at a desire to stay here hint, hint, nudge nudge, Shero.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 8:47:48 AM

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Who didn't see this one coming. With the news that Shero is looking to extend Therrien, Orpik turns down a deal. Goodbye Brooks.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08179/893057-61.stm

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 10:44:06 AM

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Who didn't see this one coming. With the news that Shero is looking to extend Therrien, Orpik turns down a deal. Goodbye Brooks.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08179/893057-61.stm

Rather have Therrien than orpik sadly. Farewell good friend.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 10:47:55 AM

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therrien is a bum, i would take orpik

anyways jagr was offered a 3 year 35 million dollar deal from Omsk of the russian super league, tax free

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 2:05:33 PM

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Orpik is probabley the most easily replaced free agent on the team, and you would give up your coach to sign him? DuUd, he played well, maybe very well, at the end, but he didn't play great.

Let's see. The Pens go from dead last in 2006, to the playoffs, in 2007, to the SC finals in 2008, and the coach is a "bum"?

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 2:09:56 PM

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Straka has already signed with his form Czech team. I wouldn't be suprised to see Jagr right beside him. He has won a cup, has plenty of money ( or SHOULD ), there is increasing money to be made there, and he has never been happy in the US.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 2:16:06 PM

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Straka has already signed with his form Czech team. I wouldn't be suprised to see Jagr right beside him. He has won a cup, has plenty of money ( or SHOULD ), there is increasing money to be made there, and he has never been happy in the US.

European players often sign first with a European team. They usually also get an "out clause" in their contract that says if an NHL team comes calling, they're free to accept that NHL offer.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 2:30:38 PM

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That has been true in the past, but the International committee is cracking down. They will no longer allow a player, under contract in one league, to sign with another, without the approval of their team, and the league.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/27/2008 3:33:01 PM

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That has been true in the past, but the International committee is cracking down. They will no longer allow a player, under contract in one league, to sign with another, without the approval of their team, and the league.

That's what an "out clause" allows.

What you meant to say is that they will no longer allow a player under contract in one league, to sign with another, without having an out clause in their contract (an out claues is permission from the club and the leauge).

Besides, Straka's agent says Marty hasn't signed anything. Who knows.

Press release from the IIHF last week when that Toronto Star article came out about Malkin:

IIHF News: IIHF statement, René Fasel

Although the International Ice Hockey Federation does not usually issue statements following unsubstantiated media reports, the IIHF finds it principally important to address the newspaper story (Toronto Star, June 20) that reports about the Russian league allegedly preparing an offer to Pittsburgh Penguin player Evgeni Malkin, who is under contract with the NHL-club.

“Although there will be no imminent Player Transfer Agreement between the IIHF and the NHL, all involved parties are in principal agreement to honour each other’s contracts,” says IIHF President René Fasel. “The NHL has informed the IIHF that this will be the policy of the league during the period without a PTA, and conversely, the IIHF has obligated its member national federations and leagues to do the same in its relations with the NHL.”

“We would view any signing, from either side, of a player under a valid contract, who does not have any legally valid out-clause, to be a clear violation of the mutual understanding and existing principle. It would potentially be punishable with suspended national team eligibility and suspension from all competition or activity organized by the IIHF or any IIHF member national association. This would include events like the Olympic Winter Games, the IIHF World Championship or international club competitions like the Champions Hockey League."

"Given this, we are confident that the report is not substantiated."

ADD: The Malkin defection from Russia 2 years ago was only unenforcable because Russia had refused to sign onto the IIHF transfer agreement. Had they (Russia) been a participant at that time, in that agreement, he would not be permitted to play in the NHL. Currently the transfer agreement is expired and the Euro Leagues and the NHL are working on a gentleman's agreement to not mess with each other.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/28/2008 2:15:54 AM

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anyone else think Bertuzzi would fit in Malone's spot as a rugged winger with the Pens, at alot cheaper of a price, albeit at a older age.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/28/2008 11:56:50 AM

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Eh, I personally would hate to see Bertuzzi on this team. One, he's horribly slow and not a great skater by any means. Two I have absolutely no respect for that guy and probably never will. I'd hate to see him on the Pens. That's just me though.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/28/2008 12:57:49 PM

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Bertuzzi looks like a drunk, I'd love to just see him in a uni.

I'd like to see the pens go after Kristian Huselius. That'd be fantastic. He's a pure scorer, and would compliment crosby extremely well.

Radim Vrbata would be a good replacement if Ruutu goes. But God is that guy fun to watch, I hope he stays.

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RE: Official Off-Season thread - 6/28/2008 1:00:24 PM

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Also, according to this list http://www.sportscity.com/NHL/NHL-Free-Agents-by-Position-2008/

Jose Theodore is making 6 a year.

Get the funk outta here!

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