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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/14/2008 10:04:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys.  I am new to this board, but found this thread very interesting.  Although i live in Cranberry Twp, I keep my boat out on Catawba Island in Ohio since I have some friends who live and fish over there.  I was wondering if you can post some pics on how you store your harnesses as this is alwasy a pain for me.  Also if you can give your thoughts on fishing in Pa vs fishing around the islands in Ohio.  I am debating on where to keep my boat next year.  Thanks for your help.

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/14/2008 3:02:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is exactly how mine are stored on a 1' by 1' square piece of foam...I also cut out a handle in them at the top for easy carrying. 

Cranberry Twp is not far from me at all.  Maybe we could hook up sometime for some fishing...if you're interested in sharing info or hooking up, send me a PM.




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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/14/2008 10:46:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dublvision

Anyone use plugs? tsticks, bangos, bombers??  I think they work just as well as spoons and worms.



storm deep thundersticks, mag wiggle warts, bagley DDKB2's, bango lures, long A's, etc... were the staple baits and still are by some. millions of walleye have been caught from lake erie on those lures. erie dearies probably caught more lake erie walleye than anything. i have hundreds of cranks and stick baits but i have to admit i have many harnesses and spoons and do use them, but i if i never used a nightcrawler again it wouldnt hurt my feelings. imo crawler harnesses took over when the lake erie walleye fishing wasnt so good. it used to be when fishing in the central and eastern basins you couldnt to go into a bait shop without seeing storms and bagleys everywhere. when the fishing became tough those baits were covered in dust. bought dozens and dozens of ddkb2's and deep thundersticks from bait shops cheap. then bagley quit making many colors, lures became made in mexico and "old style" bagley lure prices went crazy. rapala bought storm and the prices of "old style" deep thundersticks went crazy. erie walleye fishing became great again and spoons and harnesses became "vogue." there are charter captains who make their living catching fish that dont use any "MEAT."

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/15/2008 6:18:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: *commander*


imo crawler harnesses took over when the lake erie walleye fishing wasnt so good.


WHAT!...When was the walleye fishing not good on Lake Erie?????  Maybe when the fishing wasnt so hot out Erie, PA...But all you had to do was take a drive to Geneva, OH to load up in a hurry....They just didnt migrate as far....There is never a year where the walleye fishing in Lake Erie as a whole could ever be considered, or quoted as, Not Good.

And seriously...worm harnesses have been used in the western basin since the weight forward spinners were first used. They were orginally called mayfly rigs and are now refered to as weapons down there.....Maybe they werent applied to dipsy divers until the mid 80s but that still means they have been a trolling staple in the Central Basin of Lake Erie for the past 20+ years...And when applied to a dipsy diver are possibly the most effective form of controlled depth fishing available.

I am not trying to knock lures or spoons....I use alot of different methods to catch fish, and yes they all do work. I just simply stating the fact that I BELIEVE, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES, worm harnesses trigger more fish....Thats fine if you dont want to use them...or you dont like to get your pretty boat covered in worm juice, just dont complain when the cooler dont fill up....

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/15/2008 8:16:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		C.B,  your worm harnesses  kicked butt on Sat. We caught 26 eyes and a nice Cat over 10 lbs. We ran out of crawlers(about 4 dozen). BUT we were trolling very slow(less than 2 mph) The one eye we did catch on a Pro King spoon was the biggest of the day. 29 inches 9 lbs. The fish are definately on the larger side, all 26 WERE over 15 inches. Going to be an AWESOME YEAR of fishing!!!!

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/15/2008 9:04:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glad you like the product bud!...what colors were hitting good.  Were you out with Musky?  He called me on the radio and was saying he was doing good on the Anti-Freeze.

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/15/2008 9:40:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some charters refer to them as "brown spoons".

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/15/2008 10:03:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		...some charters say they run plugs and spoons but really run meat.......its a fact, not to mention any names...lol

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/15/2008 11:25:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		ive been on a lake erie charter 2 times in my life and i blame that captain for tons of $$$ spent.

not bustin worm harnesses. i admitted i use them and admitted they work. i included erie dearie's in the mix. bagleys, storm, bomber, etc.. have always caught fish and always will. however, if i was in a hurry to fill "tickets" i'd go to wholeys. rods, reels, line, leaders, truck, boat, fuel, food, road time, etc...= 10's of thousands of $$$. $10/pound for walleye fillets is wayyyyyyyyy cheaper than catching them.

i fished out of conneaut 20 years ago when the fishing was so good and the walleyes were so big that captains were cleaning fish in the lake and doing everything they could to sink the guts. i'm not disputing the fish have always been there if you traveled for them, just saying that its not science to catch them and "meat" isnt mandatory. to each there own.

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 4:31:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm waiting on those good harnesses. I decided not to come up to Walnut today and went over to Mosquito lake in Ohio. Used the erie program someone here used at walnut. Started with chicken wing harness and crawler. One small perch. Put a #0 dipsy on with a stinger and started hammering the eyes. Only problem, none were bigger than 13"s. Caught at least 20 too. If i would have been at walnut, my arms would be sore. 18ft water, 30 back, was the ticket.

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 4:56:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Jeff, looked on your site and couldn't find red death blades in willow leaf. Am I just too blind to see? What's up ???  Dave

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 5:05:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dave red death is a custom paint job i have come up with.....Red head on Gold blade...lemme see if i can finda pic for you...



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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 5:22:25 PM   
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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 5:23:40 PM   
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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 5:34:01 PM   
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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 5:38:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dave PM me your email...ill get you a better color sheet...The one on the site is just for show.  I do not have all the colors in stock...about 18 or so of them though...all in willows

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 5:40:07 PM   
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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 5:40:56 PM   
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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 6:19:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Carpet bagger do you sell the worm harnesses all made up?  They look awesome!!!   If you do how much do you want for a dozen or two?   I have another question CB I am new to trolling for walleye and I was wonder what brand and pound test line do you use on your trolling rods?  Thanks nitro 929

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 6:36:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nitro....All my dipsy rods have 30lb power pro on them, but any braided spectra will work great.

No i am not in the worm harness business.  However I do sell just the blades so you can tie up your own...

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 6:47:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is my e-mail morti10@embarqmail.com.  I want to get some blades off of you.  E-mail and tell me where you want me to send the money.  I will e mail you and tell you what I want.  Nice looking blades!!!!!!  What kind of hooks do you use?  I have fireline crystal on my rods and I am not a big fan.  Thanks for helping me out.   Nitro

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 7:55:45 PM   
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Status: online 		CB,  I am trying to learn this game...  That said, I did not fair as well as you did this past weekend (or any other I am sure).  A big part of my problem (I believe) is that I was running size 1 dipseys.  In 25-30 feet of water, I was hitting bottom at 40 feet out on a setting of one and 50 feet at a setting of 3.  HELP, triggered and tangled dipseys are not as much fun without walleyes attached. 

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 8:07:18 PM   
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You could go a few different routes, planer boards, or inline boards, but the cheapest ( easiest ) route is to buy smaller dipsys. More plane sideways, and distance back, without getting too deep.

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 8:12:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever side of the boat you are running the dipsy on you always turn the weight towards the boat....That will give you proper plane from the boat.  If your running dipsys get some no streach line...Power Pro 30lb is my personal favorite, but anything that is braded spectra will do.

Look at this link..Should help you some
http://www.luhrjensen.com/techreports/12DipsyDiver.pdf

best bet is if you are under 30 ft you can run the big size 1 dipsys...kinda like a downrigger though...lol only could go back like 30-35ft

Get yourself some size 0 dipsys and some 3/0 dipsys..If your fishing 2 or 3 guys stay away from boards...they only complicate your efforts in my opinion.  Get some nice rod holders and you can comfortably fish 6 rods with no problems.

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/16/2008 11:45:36 PM   
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Status: online 		Antifreeze, Red Death, and my own special Porno Perch, Were my colors of choice Sunday, I got a limit by 8:30 and then fished perch for a while till I went back in and picked up the old lady and kids.  the kids got about 8 more and then my daugher caught a catfish that was over 20 lbs.   Unreal!  The old walleye chop that came up in the afternoon, really turned em on again.

Griffon, when I have that problem I run two different size dipsys maybe a 1 on the outside then a 0 on the inside then another 1 and then another 0.  The different length of line reduces tangles dramatically.

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/17/2008 8:50:50 AM   
Carpet Bagger

 

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Status: offline 		Glad those are working good for ya musky!  Those blades are no joke...

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/17/2008 9:00:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can also take the ring off of the 1 and it is about the same as a 0 with a ring on, it will run shallower so you can fish in the 30 -36 ft range and let a bit more line out without getting the bottom


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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/17/2008 2:14:26 PM   
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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/17/2008 2:22:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		porno perch is not an available color....i have no idea what hes making....that must be a MuskyMaster Custom job...

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RE: Stinger spoons versus worm harness? - 6/17/2008 4:13:41 PM   
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Status: online 		I have a few customs, I just like making up names that no one knows what the he11 they are when I say em on the radio.  Barbie Doll and Baby Boy were also good later in the afternoon.  Will get some pics up in the next few days.
Porno Perch is basically 1 antifreeze blade with 1 blaze orange blade with bead colors including brown, pink and red mixed with lime and yellow to create an anatomically correct sequence.  Sorry bout the confusion, I thought it was funny.

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