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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 2:52:31 PM

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i know its legal but to keep a fish that doesnt even taste good and doesnt reproduce just doesnt seem right to me

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 3:56:29 PM

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I saw Smalliekiller down there buying some, then putting on a hook and letting them swim around in the river. That's the only way that guy catches fish...

It's all good man, I'm well aware that jealousy breeds contempt.

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 4:36:48 PM

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TransAm- I will notify all the resteraunts and wholesalers out there that they should remove stiped bass and rock fish from there menus because YOU don't like the taste of it!!! Get a grip dude!
Maybe they should quit stocking fish that don't breed, right??? Wrong!!! Thats why we pay so much for right to fish, so they can stock fish and we can keep them if we choose to do so! I don't understand why people would keep a trout or largemouth, cause I don't like the taste, but I don't go criticizing them for it!
Try posting something entertaining and useful about your fishing experiences. Everybody justs loves to spout off their BIG FAT opinions!!!
My friends asked me why I would care to post my experiences on the web, maybe they're right.

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 4:44:17 PM

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calm down mickey mouse, i really dont care what you do

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 5:17:10 PM

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You don't care because you know I'm right! Cute with the mickey mouse crap...you and Tino Martino probally shed tears together when they did away with the Camaro and Trans Am...and when you looked in the mirror that day, only to realize that the mullet on your head was way more of a crime than the guy who keeps a fish his family enjoys to eat!

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 5:30:01 PM

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ha, good one, quit crying just because someone criticized you on the internet

ps. camaro is coming back 09, meanest mullet yet, ill wave when i see you

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 6:31:09 PM

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"If you check the stocking history. shenango wasnt stocked with stripers in 2005 or 2006. lake arthur was stocked last year with only 1,700."

They also stocked at least 16,000 in all but one of the previous 7 years, and 32,000 in 2001. I don't know why the cut last year. It could be the the current population is high enought to warrant a reduction. Based on what Stillhead, and I saw yesterday, that is a strong possibility. If you noticed, the Walleye stocking quadrupled over the previous few years. Perhaps it was a greater priority.

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 7:59:08 PM

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That looks like a rational reason spoon. I know the adult size walleyes and stripers often hang out in the same areas, I'd imagine the fingerlings do as well. Perhaps they were trying to sway the odds in favor of the walleye for a year or two.

I also wouldn' t be too shocked if that was a typo and should have read 17,000. I don't know if that's the case, but I wouldn't be shocked.

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 9:19:19 PM

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I'm guessing that they will probably keep stocking, if what people are saying about the gizzard shad everywhere being true. From what I have read, the wipers are used to control the alewive and gizzard shad populations. If the biologists feel the shad population is getting out of hand, they will add more wipers. We could only hope that they put some pure breds in. I'm all about the 10lb wipers, but would kick some rear, to pull in a 40lber.

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 9:34:48 PM

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hey still you talk to john latly he told me he burned out his arm on the fly rod lol.but i think the truth is he over did it running the sweeper lol. ok dude maybe seeya up arthur and i agree with ya on the info.i ain't that good but i have a hell of a time just trying.

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RE: Arthur - 5/22/2007 9:41:54 PM

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I wouldn't be suprised either Jim. I kind of wonder if they would bother only putting in 1700.

Pork,

Because they ARE such voracious eaters, they will not stock purebreds into the Ohio river watershed.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 3:54:26 AM

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The bait moved out by 1:30 am except the gizzard shad & a very few alewive. Best part of the mornin was when a guy loadin up his boat dumped out 34 dead alewives & I picked them up for future catfish bait. I might have to take Mondays & Tuesdays off for the next month if this is going to cont.

Pork,

Timmy knows a young man that caught a 43 1/4''er in 01 out of there. The boy was 12 at the time of his catch. Too bad the lake wasn't a little deeper for the purebreads. I have had a good bit over 15 lbs. straighten my hooks, take me into snags or break me off over the past 22 years

Awhile back when they couldn't get the Hybirds they put the Stripers in but I don't think they did to well.

Good Luck, Guys. Snow Cones are Good.

Crappy

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 8:03:40 AM

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Fished from 11-2:30 in the same spot we've been going. Terrible topwater action. Barely heard any alewives and only heard the few stripers we heard till 11:30 or so. Did pick up a 29 inch channel cat and a 21 inch walleye, so the night wasn't a total loss. Spent most of the night running reasons why the action is on and off. May drive me to insanity yet. lol.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 10:27:53 AM

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I keep reading on this forum that Hybrids don't reproduce and became curious.

I've found that this is not a general rule and it is possible for them to reproduce.

The following quote from the article is the main point of interest: http://aqua.ucdavis.edu/dbweb/outreach/aqua/300FS.PDF
"Hybrids are fertile and there are reports of successful reproduction in a few reservoirs."

Conversely this article states the contrary: http://aqua-culture.blogspot.com/2007/03/hybrid-striped-bass.html
"Hybrids do not reproduce and so the resources they keep from striped bass are not converted into reproduction. As a result of competition with hybrids, striped bass may not be as healthy and in turn, not produce as many juveniles."

I've caught many very small Hybrids in the Ohio River when fishing for panfish. That said, does everyone feel these are fish that were just stocked? Or, is it possible they are reproducing? Is this a Jurassic Park type event where, "Life finds a way."

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 11:33:57 AM

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D.F.

They are stocked as fingerlings. So the presence of juvenile fish would not be a sign of reproduction.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 12:20:15 PM

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Porktown or any one.
Have you ever tried circle hooks for wipers or bass? I've used for trout with success. Anyone else ahve an opinion on circle hooks for various species.
thanks

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 1:06:26 PM

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   Fruntz,

I like to ram the hook home, so I don't use them very often. I use one on one rod when using two rods for cats sometimes. But using one with a alwive for byrds , bass or eyes I forget & end up rammin it in my face.

              "Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley."

Yummy, Crappy

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 1:29:42 PM

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sorry for the delay on responding. i read the notice about a year ago on pfbc website. i just glanced through it and cant find it now. i dont no if they have a archive or not. i was pretty sure they tradrd pike for hybrids but maybe it is walleye. i hope they dont stop stocking. i live in new york but my best friend lives in butler and i usually go down and fish arthur. in fact next week i'll be headed down. when i have extra time i'll try to find the article

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 2:06:04 PM

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Even though a hybrid isn't capable of successfully reproducing, I wonder if they still go through the act of spawning?

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 2:09:26 PM

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Yes, they do. Nobody told them they are sterile.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 3:01:40 PM

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Fruntz,

I like to ram the hook home, so I don't use them very often. I use one on one rod when using two rods for cats sometimes. But using one with a alwive for byrds , bass or eyes I forget & end up rammin it in my face.

"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley."

Yummy, Crappy

The same is true for me. I always have the rod in hand, and will set the hook as soon as I feel them on. They engulf the alwives like I said, but if they are on a hook and not splashing the surface, they seem to engulf and not run with them, so they could possibly have time to spit back out if they notice something isn't right. I'd bet that circle hooks would work, especially if the rod is in a holder. I just have the natural reaction to set the hook. I may try them the next time out, if there are any large gizzard shad that want to go for a ride on my surf gear. I'd like to get one in that 15lb+ range.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 3:02:18 PM

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Yes they spawn. I've seen them many times. They spawn similar to carp, over shallow water in groups. They do not build spawning beds like bass and most other fish.

Here is some info from PAFBC

"
Striped Bass Hybrid Morone saxatilis x Morone chrysops
Species overview: The striped bass hybrid is a hatchery-created cross between a white bass and a striped bass. It is stocked primarily because it tolerates warmer water than the purebred striped bass, which, as it grows older and larger, requires well-oxygenated water during the summer. In Pennsylvania it is stocked mostly in the western part of the state, in reservoirs such as Lake Arthur and Shenango Lake, and in the big-river area of the Ohio and Allegheny rivers near Pittsburgh. Here the hybrid typically grows larger than the white bass. Fisheries managers in the state do not tend to stock the striped bass hybrid in lakes and rivers that lead to Delaware or Chesapeake bays to minimize the chance of the hybrids mixing and reproducing with wild marine striped bass.

Identification: The hybrid striped bass’s body is stockier than that of a pure striped bass, and its lateral stripes are discontinuous and less distinct. Its back is dark, almost black. Its sides are silvery, with seven or eight faint and broken-looking lateral stripes, and its belly is white. The anal fin has 11 or 12 rays, and there are two tooth patches on the rear of its tongue. In size it grows to a length and weight midway between its parents. A 10- or 12-pounder is considered a big one.

Habitat: The striped bass hybrid is stocked in larger reservoirs and slow rivers, where there are open-water forage fish like gizzard shad and alewives.

Life history: The striped bass hybrid is fast-growing, which is typical of hybrids. It is generally sterile, and can be stocked instead of the purebred striped bass into waters to avoid the purebred’s potential of reproducing too prolifically and outstripping its food source. However, occasionally fertile striped bass hybrids have occurred, and some states have reported the hybrid back-crossing with the white bass. Striped bass hybrids feast on forage fish as adults."

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 3:26:37 PM

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^ Good pull.

If the others won't reproduce I'll take one for the team and impregnate them myself.

So, if you catch a fish with my face on it you won't be surprised.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 3:56:16 PM

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Just to be clear, when I say they spawn, that doesn't mean there is naturally reproduced wipers in Arthur. I have no clue whether any make it. From what the fish commission said above, it seems highly unlikely that any do. But they all go through the motions of dropping eggs and all that fun stuff. Extremely hard to get their attention with a lure when they are doing this by the way.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 3:58:33 PM

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hey still you talk to john latly he told me he burned out his arm on the fly rod lol.but i think the truth is he over did it running the sweeper lol. ok dude maybe seeya up arthur and i agree with ya on the info.i ain't that good but i have a hell of a time just trying.

Yeah, I defintely think he hurt it running the sweeper. Although I must say he has gotten better at throwing a fly rod, at least when the wind is calm. I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 4:32:02 PM

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Yeah, well they can teach a cat to use a toilet too.

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 6:59:45 PM

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Stillhead, Thanks for the interesting and informative responses that others weren't so kind with

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RE: Arthur - 5/23/2007 10:47:59 PM

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It must be fun picking on the old guy, you young punks.

Whats the matter Pauley, Miss Ginger won't let you out to play, not even married and she is keeping you on a short leash.

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RE: Arthur - 5/24/2007 11:08:19 PM

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Has anyone ever fished at night with a little rain? It is looking like a little rain tommorow night and I am dying to get out. Never been out at night in the rain. Wondering if the bite completely shuts off.

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RE: Arthur - 5/25/2007 2:36:12 AM

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Fished tonight from 9:45pm-12:45am on my buddy's boat. Each of us boated a striper and each of us lost one. Buddy caught a very healthy 22.5'' walleye and a little smallmouth. Stripers LIVED to see another day...maybe they can die of old age someday???!!!

The walleye wasn't as lucky! Talked to guys fishing the shore on the way out and they were killing them fishing alewives. Also saw a boat by us realing in a few on lit bobbers with live bait. Smacks were very plentiful early but really died down about 11:30. Can't imagine going out again until next week as the crowds will be too big this weekend! Have a good holiday!

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