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coolerfull1 -> Fishing and the internet (4/24/2008 8:28:23 PM)

I ask the moderators not to move this post, it's just as well here as anywhere.  I see my 'spot burning' post got axed...why though?  I was giving advise, information, etc. on some water that gets stocked with state stockies.  I'm confused.  What if I posted a spot burning about a lake in which the crappies were hitting but (as many do) have posted signs around the breast?  Or if I post something in March when the lake in half thawed out but there are 'no ice fishing' signs' around the lake?  Are you going to delete those post too?  I would assume yes.  Someone may go there and break the law.  Maybe all posts that are made on this site should be deleted as a precautionary measure to assure nobody will ever go there and leave a piece of trash on the ground.  Way before the internet was even a thought, one thing was for sure, if the fish were biting somewhere, people would be lined up to fish for them....Erie tribs or a small local lake or stream.



smallhook -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/24/2008 9:24:39 PM)

I haven't fished the waters you was speaking of for years.  I'm a baitaholic but I bet that is some primo flyfishin waters.  People see the negative bullshit that happens on the tribs while steelheading and believe that same crap will happen somewhere like Mill Creek, I doubt that spotburning happens much on the smaller streams elsewhere in the state.  People spend huge amounts of money fishin in Erie driving long distances to get there to fish for Steelhead.  Thats why most of us are here, we found it looking for Steelheadin info.  I could see where a post on here with directions to a "good spot" for steelhead could potentially send hundreds of fishermen parking where they shouldn't park, crappin and pee-in where they shouldn't, crowding private land and generally being a nuisance. 

Most of us started fishin Erie at the access areas, easy to find and plenty of parking.  A large number of us diehards has spent thousands of dollars in gas and wore out quite a few felt soles hunting steelhead on the tribs.  You can't name many places on any of the tribs that hold steelhead that I haven't been too.  There are some extremely good streams up that way that I hope no-one ever mentions here, they are almost sacred to me.  I only make it to the one stream once or twice a year and I always go alone.  Anyhow, if there is going to be a law around here regarding the mentioning of places to fish, especially stocked streams other than Erie tribs, lets clarify `em and post `em.  I'll personally support removing posts concerning fishing spots on the Erie Tribs but I think that the rest of the state should be fair game.



griffon -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/24/2008 9:35:34 PM)

You and I will disagree on this to our graves then.  This is the only serious fishing site that I visit that allows spot burning.  There is a reason for that.  I can tell you from personal experience that spot burning other places than the tribs not only increases traffic but also increases landowner tensions.  What bothers me is that what some people think they know about a stream is only a microcosm of what is really occurring there (be it landowner relations, or actual fish populations).  Before someone makes the comments I have recently been reading, they really owe it to themselves and everyone else to become better informed about the waters they speak of.  I'm sorry but crossing the line for Erie tribs is no different than anywhere else. 



jlh42581 -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/24/2008 10:01:14 PM)

Agree'd especially on certain streams. You mention a certain hatch and whamo... no parking, hell you cant find a drift because most people have mannors on other streams. Erie streams are one of the only place someone can walk an empty section of creek, come right up beside you and start fishing and think its ok. People dont even try that on C&R streams. Its almost an unwritten rule that never needs enforced.



DanesDad -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/24/2008 11:25:24 PM)

They were talking about STOCKED fish!  Fish whose sole purpose on this planet is to provide some fisherman entertainment and, subsequently, a meal!  If you found some stream that supported a reproducing Brown trout population in which the average fish was over a foot long, I'd say yeah, keep that quiet.  But pelletheads?  Come on!



egg sac -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/24/2008 11:41:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DanesDad

They were talking about STOCKED fish!  Fish whose sole purpose on this planet is to provide some fisherman entertainment and, subsequently, a meal!  If you found some stream that supported a reproducing Brown trout population in which the average fish was over a foot long, I'd say yeah, keep that quiet.  But pelletheads?  Come on!


While granted thier is not much reason to keep stocked streams quite but many of them stocked streams do have some wild reproduction and awsome holdover rates thier are many places I would never ever post on this site and the places I do post I will just give the stream and or lake name and never the exact location on said waters.



beerman -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/24/2008 11:54:19 PM)

egg sac,

There is a spell check option on this site now.
When writing a reply, notice the ABC (and check mark) above. 
Click on it for spell check. 



MuskyMastr -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/25/2008 12:26:07 AM)

I was really trying to stay out of this, but I can't

This has to be one of the discussions that irks me the most on here when it comes up.  If someone is on here talking about your secret fishing spot, then guess what;.. it really wasn't that big of a secret to begin with.  If you have a good spot then don't talk about it if you don't want to, but to flip out like little kids because "your" secret spot isnt so secret is immature and uncalled for. 

A big part of fishing, as a sport, is fostering the next generation of fishermen.  That does always not mean kids.  There are plenty of 34-40somethings that decide to get into steelheading, or walleyes or whatever.  Helping them become successful and pass the tradition on to someone else is fostering the next generation as well and an important part of it at that.

I am sorry that you live in a state that does not have as much erie trib access as you would like, but your responsibility as a sportsman is to SHARE the resources we do have.  If you don't like it drive to the Cat or someplace else where you can seek your solitude.  That is important as well and I understand it.  But face facts, what do you save by passing info by PM or email.  2 to 3 weeks maybe.  Because the guy who wanted the info got it and it was passed to his friends and thier friends and on and on.  The response just wasn't instant as in the next morning.

I also understand your concerns regarding having access closed due to this sort of thing, but once again we should be policing our own.
I know right now if I want to know where the fish are being caught I can stop at any bait shop and get the info on my way out, so it is just happening faster here

I'm sure some of you guys would be pissed if no one would tell you how deep the walleye or perch are this summer (some won't be mad and will find them on your own, but some would be upset).  I don't really need specific spots, one because I rarely fish steelhead, two because I can find my own fish.  But at one point or another someone showed or told you about a spot (I am certain none of us were the first humans to fish anywhere in pa that we have been).  There are no secrets that can not be revealed in 2 foot resolution full color with a few keystrokes.   So relax.

Sorry I guess I get ornery at night.  I don't mean to offend anyone it is just a subject that really bothers me.

Here is the last discussion had on the subject, maybe save all of us some typing.

http://forums.fishusa.com/m_39523/mpage_1/key_spot%2Cburning%2Crules/tm.htm



jackq -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/25/2008 4:44:28 AM)

I believe it was Winston Churchill that said, "Three people can keep a secret....as long as two of them are dead."



Got My Pole Wet -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/25/2008 9:46:04 AM)

I can't believe that people are going to be so particular about sharing spot info. I will share any of the spots I fish with anyone. If I think you are abusing the resource while on the stream I will also politely mention hey take out what you brought in or please don't leave that ball of string lie.

The thought that sharing a stocked stream with our friends here on this board is going to cause a mass influx of anglers to any stream is wrong. If private property is being abused by fisherman then the landowners have every right to post it and if they are thinking of posting it already then evidently there was a problem before it was mentioned on this site.

By mentioning a specific spot to fish really does no harm but maybe providing a local angler an alternative or some place new to fish. The probablility of a local stocked stream being over run by additional anglers is really quite amusing if you really think of it. Weather it be posted on the website or on a forum or in the news paper.

The people who complain about giving up spots are probably the ones who complain if 1 other person is fishing the same section of stream and are the ones who would rather not promote the sport because they are just too damn selfish.  

Good luck fishing this weekend.






coolerfull1 -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/27/2008 7:34:13 PM)

See the post I made on the thread 'walleye opener'.  It was that crowded and the internet was just a scratch in Al Gore's pants at the time.  Up north about two hours from the allegheny is a secret spot I call Elk Creek.  That was also shoulder to shoulder pre-internet no matter how far I walked.  It may actually be better now.  All the 'fair weather fisherman' come up in October from all the internet hype when the water is low and clear and think these fish are impossible to catch.  Then all the serious fisherman are there a few weeks later ripping lips while those wannabee's are wearing turtle neck sweaters shopping for the wife's pumpkin pie ingredients complaining how chilly the weather is getting.



Quantumman -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/27/2008 7:45:40 PM)

Some people spend more time on the internet talking about fishing than they spend fishing. So if you'd rather be a hacker and a yacker, don't be upset when somebody takes over your honey hole.



Loomis -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/27/2008 8:13:31 PM)

I believe this board needs to enact a policy against spot-burning or you should face removal....egg sac summed it up the best, if you are going to post, post the name of the stream and thats it.  We all have spots we keep under our hat, some I dont even tell my best friends about.  If you want to give a better general area, say, upper, middle, lower.  I don't see whats so hard about it.  My wading boots have covered miles, sometimes no-fish days, and I believe it's wrong for another to straight jeopardize what others have worked for, thats all.  I know if some people posted spots in Erie that I've traveled to and never saw anyone I'd be on the verge of insanity, I know others can vouch. 

To all troops in favor of trying to stop this from happening, fall-in. 



brown trout -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/27/2008 8:55:25 PM)

What Loomis said, is 150% right. Also, going back a bit, Egg Sac's post was also on the money. Just cause a stream is stocked, DOESNT mean that there is no natural repro. going on, and I still feel that spotburning even those streams is just stupid and IRRESPONSIBLE.

One other quick tidbit to some of the folks on the other side of the fence on this issue - don't let anyone(or yourself) convince you that all spots are "known" to the majority, because that just isn't the case. We have a wealth of streams in PA, and there is plenty that I fish where the fishing is great, and there is never a soul around. I am sure a couple of these other fellas on this board have their own spots just like that too, those that get out and work for it a little soon find that out.



Kokanee Killer -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/28/2008 7:27:21 PM)

Yeah everyboby probably has a special spot i do,and i just like to keep some under my hat,places that bring back memories and to this day have not changed,they hold special.



CATMAN610 -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/28/2008 8:13:26 PM)

It is nice to keep ahold of those,,,too bad so many seem to dissapear for one reason or another.
I know i have a few,,,that dissapeared



bubba-jet -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/28/2008 9:45:52 PM)

If one truly knows the power of the Internet , it can be a powerfull tool. This was my third year of seeing no one but my son on the first day.
As far as spotburning Im a leader not a follower..........



MuskyMastr -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/28/2008 10:21:07 PM)

My only point was that if you have a spot under your hat, and someone that you didn't tell about it posts it on here then it really wasn't "under your hat" that well in the first place.  I understand that all of your concerns are for the future of the fishery and the potential access issues, BUT you must step aside and think about the image you project as a sportsman when you say that we should not share our success with others.



CATMAN610 -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/29/2008 4:36:48 PM)

Are you saying your for spotburning?

If so,,,,lets here about some then?



Loomis -> RE: Fishing and the internet (4/29/2008 6:40:41 PM)

nobodys saying you shouldnt share your success, just dont post EXACTLY where.  I dont see whats so hard to understand.



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