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dpms -> Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/22/2008 10:29:04 AM)

Approved this morning.  Relatively unchanged from last year.

The interesting thing is allocations for the 4 WMU's that will have buck only for the first week and concurrent the secong week had thier allocations remain exactly the same.

Chris Rosenberry saying that he wanted to keep the allocation the same in those units to keep all factors constant in thier effort to establish whether season length or allocations determine harvest numbers.

That is a good move IMO to finally put ans end to this debate one way or the other.  Time will tell.

I actually think the harvest will remain the same or even slightly increase in those units.



SilverKype -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/22/2008 1:41:44 PM)

The 5 day buck was approved, barely.   Damn, politics, smolitics.



jlh42581 -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/22/2008 2:26:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverKype

The 5 day buck was approved, barely.   Damn, politics, smolitics.


I thought it looked to me as if they were going two solid weeks of buck season with only 5 days of doe. Unless you meen five days where you can ONLY kill a buck.



SilverKype -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/22/2008 2:46:19 PM)

Yes, that is what I was refering to.

Rosenberry was not happy about this, he called in sick the day he had to propose it.  [:)]   I guess the presentation wasn't too enlightening by whoever covered.


ahhh....   "we need a license increase so we're going to allow the herd to increase and buck:doe ratios to worsen in the in the worse habitat conditions in the state."

I would have called in sick too. 



S-10 -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/22/2008 2:53:57 PM)

I probably shouldn't mention this with them being the EXPERTS and all "BUT"---Remember when Alt decided to try starting doe season on a Saturday during buck season to see what would happen? Remember when he later said it was a major error and resulted in killing way more bucks than he anticipated due to the additional day of extreme pressure from the doe hunters? Part of that "Errors will be made" statement. Now the EXPERTS have decided to start doe season on a Saturday during buck season to see what will happen. Must be the EXPERTS have a short memory.[:'(]



dpms -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/22/2008 3:04:05 PM)

S-10,

I agree with you on that.  That is one of my reservations on this study.  The bucks will get hammered in these four units I am afraid.  I am just glad that I hunt elsewhere.

Also, the "experts" are against this study.  It was forced upon them by Carl Roe and the political pressure.



MuskyMastr -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/22/2008 5:55:32 PM)

It should drop the harvest somewhat just due to statistics. 



Goodsy -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 12:31:04 PM)

Explain the thoughts behind the bucks getting hammered?  Just curious, because I hunt in 2D.  I thought it would be a good thing, but I could be totally wrong.  The only thing that I can see as hurting the Bucks are the first week when guys will not be shooting the first doe running by them that the buck is trailing.  The first Saturday should be no different from the first day, correct? 

For as much shooting as I hear on the first day with doe season in, I am estimating that I will hear about 5 shots all day if that.

As far as the buck to doe ratio goes unless they really hammer the bucks it should not be affected in my area.  If anything there needs to be some more mature doe in the areas that I hunt.  And as far as DPSM, there could definiately be an increase and not hurt anything.   I am amazed with the number of accorns that are still in the woods.  Nobdy can tell me that there are too many deer here for the woods to hold.  I guess in 20 years of hunting I cannot say that there ever has been either maybe on the high end of the carrying capacity, but never over.  I am no expert though so I guess my opinion doesn't matter all that much!



dpms -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 12:58:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Goodsy

Explain the thoughts behind the bucks getting hammered?  Just curious, because I hunt in 2D.  I thought it would be a good thing, but I could be totally wrong.  The only thing that I can see as hurting the Bucks are the first week when guys will not be shooting the first doe running by them that the buck is trailing.  The first Saturday should be no different from the first day, correct? 



Historically, the first day of the season is always the highest harvest day of that season.  Lots of people in the woods and lots of shooting leads to skittish deer that are moving around throughout the day.

This year, in these four units, you have have heavy pressure on the bucks the first day as always.  The first Saturday, when antlerless deer are now legal, there will again be heavy pressure because it is the "first day of doe".  Problem being bucks are still legal and many will fall to those looking to fill a doe tag.

This scenario happened several years ago when they opened antlerless deer on the last Saturday of buck season resulting in a unexpected heavy harvest of bucks when the real target was does.  Gary Alt expressed concern and was surprised at the number of extra bucks killed that day.



SilverKype -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 1:02:46 PM)

Some interesting findings.

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/deer/pdf/antlerless_allocation_handouts.pdf




S-10 -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 1:06:57 PM)

Your eyes must be way better than mine if you can read that. Too small and blurry on my puter. Or else I'am too old and blind.[:(]



SilverKype -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 1:10:15 PM)



You have to increase the % at the top, like big time.

If you have a wheel on your mouse, hold down ctrl and push the wheel forward.


You are an old fart.



S-10 -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 3:29:24 PM)

I CAN SEE---I CAN SEE  praise the Lord, I can see[;)]  I can see that snide comment too. [:@]



SilverKype -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 4:49:16 PM)

hahahahahaa



S-10 -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 5:48:05 PM)

Somebody sure went to a lot of time and trouble to make that little ditty. Pennsylvanias sportsmens dollars in action?[:)]



S-10 -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 6:44:37 PM)

To clarify, I just watched your Slinsky ditty and am refering to it.



SilverKype -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 7:53:20 PM)

I would bet it didn't take long to make it.  

I think there is an absence presence theory btw..  But it's still funny hearing him say it.   What isn't.  [:)]

I just got back from a ride.  Saw a deer, jumped a mother and 2 cubs walking in, had three gobblers fanned out in front of me, squirrels, porqupine, redtailed hawk, woodchuck, grouse, found a shed.  What a wonderful state to live in.  [sm=eek10.gif]  Sure beats TV.

2G embryo counts were 1.68.  Sounds pretty good.




S-10 -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/23/2008 8:36:54 PM)

Got up this morning to listen for birds, turned on the outside light and there was a 300# plus bear enjoying himself at my bird feeder. Guess it's time to start bringing them in again at night. Seeing and hearing lots of birds in 1B. Watched a red fox run down and kill a woodchuck yesterday. He didn't die easily and the fox was whipped when it was over.



DanesDad -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/24/2008 1:33:52 AM)

Will the bucks get hit as hard (in the WMUs with the late doe season opener) on the first day as in previous first days when doe were legal?  I agree they'll get hit harder on the first saturday when doe comes in.  I think that if the overall doe harvest drops in those WMUs it will be mainly caused by the inconvience of scheduling time off during both weeks in order to hunt does for most guys.  I bet most guys will hunt the traditional opener, maybe the first saturday and be out of vacation during the second week, sparing the does a bit.  To me, the easy and pragmatic way to lower doe harvest would be to just lower allocations and the approach they're using is a very "Rube Goldberg" approach, but, I guess, whatever works...



MuskyMastr -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (4/24/2008 4:25:14 AM)

Interesting that there are no CACs in the northcentral region.  Although the report from the edinboro seminare was that there were CAC results thrown out in several wmu's



Dr. Trout -> RE: Antlerless allocations 849,000 (5/1/2008 10:15:24 PM)

"North Central CACs are scheduled to be set up starting NEXT year.....2009...."

I was told by a PGC offical at the St Mary's Open House that the main reason for this is scheduling, travel, PGC man-power needed, and of course we all know the PGC is on a STRICT BUDGET because of no license increase...



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