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ephemera -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/15/2008 3:26:29 PM)

I love to hear about PA stockings. Personally I fish 6 states one of which is PA. All I will say about PA is it is missing the boat. This state has great potential and does not need much to make it one of the best fisheries in the world but short sighted management practices and the lack of interest in tourism dollars kill the chances for PA to reach its full potential. I love Erie and State College but I feel that that some of the best streams are in SW PA and just need better management. Hopefully one day some people will take power that relize the potential of this area and are not afraid to market, enhance, and restore its fisheries.



CATMAN610 -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/15/2008 4:27:55 PM)

I agree with that, they don't take full advantage of this states potential.



CATMAN610 -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/15/2008 4:33:35 PM)

But as far as wanting to catch lunkers all day? No I don't expect that at all. The problem is simply this, catching the same sized trout now that I did when I was 6 seems a bit off considering the price of the license and trout stamp going up, stocking less and less frequently, keeping the amounts a secret for some reason. Charge everyone an extra dollar next year for the stamp and let the fish grow another inch or two and gain 1/3 of a pound.



drthomasholmes -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/16/2008 1:54:17 AM)

 I'm 28, and I remember my father and I looking at the newspaper stock reports when I was a kid. All of a sudden, it seemed to go from several stockings to very few. I like trout fishing, but it has become a joke. At least Pine Creek is, where I do almost all my trout fishing. Trout dumped in the same couple holes, a circus 90% of the time to even fish there. Not to mention the dreaded butt-kissin' fly fishermen (not the majority of them, though. Most are very nice, but you know the kind I mean.). Because of this, and aquiring a boat, other species have become my primary aim. I'd rather go carp fishing- and that is sad.



ephemera -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/16/2008 6:59:58 AM)

I feel your pain. It is the same here in SW PA.



egg sac -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/16/2008 7:35:44 AM)

CATMAN610

Well I just helped stock anoughter stream for inseason here in northwestern pa and it was a very good stocking again. every stop we put in 6 buckets and one of the stops at the end we dumped in at least 30 buckets worth a full tank and 1/2 in one poplular spot. The stock had 6 fish over 20in on it and no less then 50 fish over 15 in with the average around 11-12 for all other fish. I am starting to think corry must have some of the best stocking plans around from what I have seen so far this year.



pa1000 -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/16/2008 6:38:01 PM)

according to the PFBC website they now no longer stock brown trout in hereford. 



Livinfishin -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/16/2008 9:23:48 PM)

First of all, the problem I and many others have with the PFBC is lack of honesty and clarity.  They can say whatever they want, but the size of the trout have been NO DIFFERENT over the last few years. Most fish that I catch are still in the 10 to 11 inch range with a 8 or 9 inch fish being a shrimp, a 15+ inch fish being a brute, and a 20+ inch fish being a trophy.  I have been trout fishing for 20 years and NOTHING has changed in that department.  Not that size matters to me, I just love going fishing and catching fish, but they really make themselves look bad when they brag about stocking bigger fish and by and large the fish are the same size.  What really kills me though is that they no longer put how many fish each approved trout water recieves during the preseason.  Why do think they would do this? What are they trying to hide? Most importantly, WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THIS?  The awnser is obviously that they are trying to avoid the barrage of complaints that would follow when anglers across the state see that the numbers of fishing being stocked in their favorite creeks and lakes are being gashed.  Their avoiding this (which is happening anyway) only makes them look bad in the eyes of the people who fund them.  The people who fund them have every right to know how many fish are being stocked where and for the PFBC to cut out that information for a obvious fear of mass critisism is shameful.  I also agree with others who say that the trout stocking program in PA is poorly managed.  My reasons are as follows:  Too many creeks are stocked, alot of which cannot support a year round population of trout, and some of which are just flat out polluted and should not be stocked for that reason. Only quality year round trout fisheries should be stocked. Some lakes close to suburbia could be an exception. Secondly, STOP ANNOUNCING STOCKING DATES!!!!!!!!!  That has got to be the worst idea the fish commission ever came up with, especially for creeks.  Lakes I can somewhat understand, but even those should have at LEAST one un-announced stocking every season. That way is fair to everyone instead of favoring the "bucket fishermen" who don't work and follow the stock trucks around all week.  Third: Make more waterways that CAN support trout year-round all tackle catch and release, expand the DHALO and DHFFO programs, all to ensure more thriving fisheries that can be supported on their own, which in tern will save the PFBC money.  Fourth:  Elminate the "opening day bonanza" by eliminating opening day.  The idea of closing all approved trout waters for 1 1/2 months, only to load them up with fish, only so 90% of the fish can be taken out in the first two or three days of the season has always puzzled me.  Wonder why everyone is so spoiled?  Opening day syndrome speaks for itself.  Stock the streams UN-ANNOUNCED like it used to be, throughout the entire season (FEB-MAY) and evenly spread the amount of fish stocked over how ever many stocking are allocated for that particular waterway. Fifth:  Be honest, open, and clear with your license holders.  Don't try and hide information about the product being funded by license holders. The amount of fish put in each waterway is perfectly legitimate information to provide, and the fact that is used to be provided and is not anymore, coupled with the fact that the PFBC has said openly they are cutting back the numbers of fish stocked only makes them look shady and dishonest.

Lots to improve on in PA.



juddthejudge -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/16/2008 9:47:02 PM)

livinfishin the club i am n people have been saying just what you did for years but the only answer we get is that would be to much work . I agree stop announcing dates because people who follow the truck around are the ones who kill anythign and everythign instead of being a a real fisherman and actually fishing instead of hati call "hit and run". I do enjoy opening day its a holidayaround here but it should be year roudn with stocking year round. Like other states do this would eliminate the caous of the 1st day. The last thign is they should expand delayed harvest for more streams.



drthomasholmes -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/17/2008 1:42:33 AM)

 Yeah opening day is pointless. Yeah, I take a few days and fish for trout, but really the only reason I buy a stamp is because I often fish lower Pine Creek around Etna (because it's close and I can catch anything from bass to catfish to walleye, etc. and pretty much have the place to myself and who I'm with). The thing that sucks about trout fishing Pine Creek is that they dump everything in to a couple holes, and it's no mystery to anyone which ones. Plus, if you get to a decent section, it's usually taken or crowded around the area by those who are there all the time. Unless you want to drive from section to section, hoping to get a spot eventually, don't even bother. NO TROUT get put in for AT LEAST a mile from where I fish, and the very few, if any, which migrate or wash down that far I certainly am not targeting. But, I am still manhandled into buying the ridiculous stamp. Same at Hereford- when was the last time you were fishing bass and hooked a trout on a rubber worm? But you have no choice but to buy the stamp. Some day, it will be a stamp for each species- or each waterway.



shemanese -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/17/2008 4:33:17 AM)

GEE, no wonder Barak thinks we are bitter.[:D]



egg sac -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/17/2008 9:57:02 AM)

I can not see what people are complaining about their are so many trout around its almost to easy to catch them year round. Granted many waters are stocked that will not hold a year long fishery but what part of put and take fishery do most of you not understand. This state stocks more fish then any other state and regaurdless of some of your opions we are then envy of many states with the fishery we have. PA has the second most miles of moving water( stream, rivers) next to alaska in the country. With that in mind is one incredible task to mange so much water with fish. Should the fish commision post nubers stocked in each water way? yes they should so people have a better idea how many fish will be around to catch. When I have helped stock this year all I had to do was ask and was told the exact number put in. One of my favorite streams that holds and awsome holdover rate and year round trout fishery in a normal year would get 4200 fish pre season and got 6100 this year best I ever seen it stocked. Just drove down and took a look at the stream yesterday and watched many fish still being landed with most being released. Why stock streams with low hold over rates? because everyone regaurdless were they live should be able to have a chance at trout without having to travel many miles to do so. Plain and simple be glad at what we have and stop complianing about what you think we should have.With the number of acual trout stamps bought each year that figures out arund 5 trout per stamp and if you have landed more then that you have gotten your moneys worth. Go to the store and buy some trout to eat at 4-6 dollars a lb and you will see you have gotten your moneys worth with one limit landed. If not for the pa fish commision we would only be able to fish for very few and very small on average brookies and browns in extremliy small moutain streams. I for one think they are doing an outstanding job with what they have to work with and the very limited staff trying to cover so many areas. Heck if our government could work one tenth as well as they do for use this country would be 100 times better then it is now. Now yes I do feel some streams should get more fish and more stocks while others should get less mainly because certain streams can and do have way better year round fisherys but with anything its imposible to make everyone happy all the time. In the same light I have seen streams manged for delayed harvest that way to many fish start dieing off from water to warm in the summer. So to close up my rant I will say just be glad you alive and well and able to enjoy the many opertunitys we do have and stop complianing about what we do not have.



Dream Catcher -> RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/17/2008 2:46:42 PM)

If you have such a problem with that why don't you take the day off of work & stock the trout in YOUR holes ? Many do not understand why they publish the stocking information ???? So the fish get spread out ; if no one shows they get dumped by the road . NO $h!t . Go stock em if it means that much to you . We have THE BEST stocking program in the nation . Why because EVERYBODY can catch fish . BTW I saw what fishj were stocked in Lower Buffalo Creek on Tuesday ( Butler County ) 2 Palominos in the10-12 lb range & two others around 8 lbs ; so if your feeling froggy call off work tomarrow & go get em . Oh yeah they also stocked about 4 thousand other fish in the 10-18 inch range ( small dude ) . If you can't catch any of them perhaps you should find a different hobby . If you put a boat in at hereford manor the fish just jump in your bopat at dusk ; go see it for yourself. Tightlines and thank you to all whom purchased a fishing license. Now go rip em!



imabozo -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/17/2008 5:37:26 PM)

Dream Catcher,
2 palominos in the 10-12lb range?  Are you serious?  The state record is 11lb 10oz from erie in 1986. You are telling us they are stocking record caliber fish.  I don't think so.  But anyway we were tired of the MONSTER state fish as were most of you responding.  So 5 of us got together and bought $250 of 12-20 inch fish (approximately 50 fish) and stocked them in a well known public hole.  The first day I saw about 35 of the ones we stocked caught and maybe 15 state fish.  I know not everyone can afford to do that or they don't want to see other people catching THEIR fish.  But man it took me back 25 years or so when I was a kid and it seemed like everybody caught their limit of "8".



shemanese -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/17/2008 7:23:36 PM)

Bozo,

I am not for bashing the Fish Commission. On the other hand I don't have heaps of praise either. I think they do okay with the interests that they have to address.

What I will say in agreement with you is that the clubs do a much better job of stocking than does the Commission. I believe the reasons why are pretty clear. The clubs usually only have to be concerned with one or a few streams and stocking trout is one of only a few tasks that the clubs have to carry out. The Commission has to deal with statewide interests and tasks that go way beyond just stocking trout. I firmly believe in supporting the clubs and belong to several because I am blessed enough to be able to join.

Like I said I think the Commission does an okay job. I have lived in two other states where I fished for trout. PA does a way better job than New York and in my estimation falls a bit behind Colorado.

Part of my reason for liking Colorado better is that there always seemed to be fish and the season never closed. I prefer an all year season over the opening day carnivale we go through every year in PA. Of course I understand I might be in the minority in that regard and that's okay.

PA is a good place to be and if anybody sees Barak or Hillary please let them know that some of us aren't bitter at all.



minifou6 -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/17/2008 8:13:13 PM)

heres my thought on this issue with the pfbc, i help with the stockings and i see the fish they put in yea there are small trout but there are really nice one they put in there, i think the pfbc does a good job on there program, me and my husband go everywhere and we catch fish all the time in lakes,creeks and rivers and we even fish turtle creek were i caught 2 nice palimonos in a matter of 20 minutes apart.

heres the thing people who are crying about not catching fish or not catching big fish do not know how to fish. i can go any where me and my husband and we can catch alot of fish there is not a day that goes by that we dont catch fish. its all in your prestontation and your line and your bait and what you are using and what the trout are hitting and knowing how to read the creek.

all of you people who are compalining about this maybe should not fish and not buy a license and leave the creeks and the rivers to the reall fisherman who know what they are doing. either learn how to fish or quite youre bitching.

and i think the private clubs do a great job to and they buy there fish and they do a great job on the yough and they really put the fun into the kids.

when i fish i catch alot of small trout but occasionally i hook into a nice trout, you are not gonna catch big fish all the time.

i feel these people who are crying and trying to blame the pfbc are people who do not know how to fish, maybe you should hire a guide service to help you in the streams and rivers to catch the fish.

read the stockings and go to them and help them put them in and youll know were the big one are. but that doesnt mean youre gonna catch them.



drthomasholmes -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/17/2008 8:33:34 PM)

 Right, I don't know how to fish... that's the problem... thanks for the tip.



Livinfishin -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/17/2008 10:08:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dream Catcher

If you have such a problem with that why don't you take the day off of work & stock the trout in YOUR holes ? Many do not understand why they publish the stocking information ???? So the fish get spread out ; if no one shows they get dumped by the road . NO $h!t . Go stock em if it means that much to you . We have THE BEST stocking program in the nation . Why because EVERYBODY can catch fish . BTW I saw what fishj were stocked in Lower Buffalo Creek on Tuesday ( Butler County ) 2 Palominos in the10-12 lb range & two others around 8 lbs ; so if your feeling froggy call off work tomarrow & go get em . Oh yeah they also stocked about 4 thousand other fish in the 10-18 inch range ( small dude ) . If you can't catch any of them perhaps you should find a different hobby . If you put a boat in at hereford manor the fish just jump in your bopat at dusk ; go see it for yourself. Tightlines and thank you to all whom purchased a fishing license. Now go rip em!


They NEVER used to publish stocking dates for the creeks, and back then they also never had problems spreading out the fish.



Stillhead -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/17/2008 10:17:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: imabozo

Dream Catcher,
2 palominos in the 10-12lb range?  Are you serious?  The state record is 11lb 10oz from erie in 1986. You are telling us they are stocking record caliber fish.  I don't think so.  But anyway we were tired of the MONSTER state fish as were most of you responding.  So 5 of us got together and bought $250 of 12-20 inch fish (approximately 50 fish) and stocked them in a well known public hole.  The first day I saw about 35 of the ones we stocked caught and maybe 15 state fish.  I know not everyone can afford to do that or they don't want to see other people catching THEIR fish.  But man it took me back 25 years or so when I was a kid and it seemed like everybody caught their limit of "8".



I didn't see the fish in question, but as for them stocking record caliber fish, they might be.    Unfortunately I deleted the picture from my phone, but a friend of a friend sent me a picture of a palimino caught opening day that I believe they are going through whatever it is you go through to have it recognized as a record.  I even forget the weight, I'll try and find out tomorrow, but 14lbs sounds familiar. Wasn't caught in the creek he's talking about either, but in PA.



Stillhead -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/17/2008 10:21:44 PM)

All, I almost forgot. Just shut up and fish for crying out loud.  Trout fisherman have the least of anyone to complain about in this state.   If you are that serious of a trout fisherman, you should be doing your fishing for wild browns and native brookies in the central part of the state, not playing around with these pellet fish.



Dream Catcher -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/18/2008 9:02:53 AM)

Yep Girthy dude ... Go get em . I'm sure thiers atleast 30 people still fishing for em at any given time ask anyone . I don't bullsh!t. It is what it is .



Dream Catcher -> RE: Incidental catches (4/18/2008 9:07:59 AM)

According to the web site they don't stock rainbows in Harbor Acres but incidental catches happen . Just had one on Monday .



Stillhead -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/20/2008 9:00:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: imabozo

Dream Catcher,
2 palominos in the 10-12lb range?  Are you serious?  The state record is 11lb 10oz from erie in 1986. You are telling us they are stocking record caliber fish.  I don't think so.  But anyway we were tired of the MONSTER state fish as were most of you responding.  So 5 of us got together and bought $250 of 12-20 inch fish (approximately 50 fish) and stocked them in a well known public hole.  The first day I saw about 35 of the ones we stocked caught and maybe 15 state fish.  I know not everyone can afford to do that or they don't want to see other people catching THEIR fish.  But man it took me back 25 years or so when I was a kid and it seemed like everybody caught their limit of "8".




see, there were two records stocked

http://forums.fishusa.com/Pa_Record_Trout/m_78345/tm.htm



youghdude -> RE: RE:get off your Lazy AZ stock da fish (4/20/2008 9:50:09 PM)

I agree that opening day should be dropped, but I do not see that happening.  The PFBC would lose money.  Many people just buy a license for that day.  Many go just on opening day.  Without opening day, many casual fishermen would not buy a license.



albud1962 -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/21/2008 7:54:54 AM)

I believe there is  a fundamental change in the way the state is stocking fish. I fish all over the state, from Allentown to Confluence. I have seen alot of small fish, but this trend started a few years back. The cost of feed, transportation and hatchery maintenance has gone through the roof. The cost of a trout stamp has stayed the same for years now, you do the math. What I hate about this situation is the lack of honesty by the the comission. I believe if they just would have been up front about these issues alot more people would be sympathetic.  I also believe as trout anglers we have to ask some hard questions.

-Why do we fish for trout? Is it just to fill a stringer?
-What have we done to champion  habitat for wild trout?
-How do we feel about adding more delayed harvest and tackled recstricted waters?
-Have we voiced our concerns to the fish commission? Posting them on this board is one thing, actually taking a moment to write an email, make a phone call or send a note via mail is another.

The sad truth is fishing for stocked fish is a very artificial thing. We need to change our preceptions. You probably could buy fish cheaper at the supermarket than it costs you to catch them, so I don't see why there is all this whining about the numbers. We do not hold our elected officials responsible for the destruction of prime wild trout waters that could support bigger trout. I would recommend a trip for anyone to spring creek to see what special regulations can accomplish and the size of the average trout. This all done without stocking.

The only way things are going to change is for you to get involved.




Rich_FishUSA -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/21/2008 12:11:20 PM)

Well I've come up with the answer to all the stocking problems.

Just like the war on drugs, we declare war on trout fishing. Then there will be fish and fisherman everywhere.

[&:]



CATMAN610 -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/22/2008 6:53:49 PM)

I was out catching bluegills today,,maybe between two of us we caught 50 or so,,,no one else around.
The answer to the enormous trout problem is to say the hell with the pelletheads and the morons in charge of them.



shemanese -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/22/2008 7:59:41 PM)

I have to ask, in all humor of course, is the "enormous trout problem" one of fish that are too big or a problem of substantial size, or both?[:)]

It just strikes my literary funny bone that this whole thread started because of concerns over fish that are thought to be too small and now one might conclude from the reading that they are enormous and that it is a problem.



coolerfull1 -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/22/2008 8:02:45 PM)

I think he meant the trout problem is enormous, not the trout themselves.



shemanese -> RE: Shame on the PFBC. (4/22/2008 8:05:22 PM)

I am certain that he did. He started the thread. That's what made it so funny to me.



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