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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/13/2008 10:19:39 PM

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If you intend to do that, I would check. Last year during discussion of this someone else said it was true and noone told him different.

But don't do it based on my posting. That's why I started the statement with "As I understand it". I like to keep things as factual as possible. If I know, I say I know, if I have heard it, I say I have heard it. In this case I can only say I have heard it said and not questioned.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/13/2008 11:40:35 PM

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Meanwhile I will be daydreaming trolling for eye's or peacefully watching my bobber in a calm, pristine eco-system meant to benifit the fish (not the fishermen) and ensure that me and those like me will have somewhere to go to do so. CAN I GET A AHMEN.

How about an AAAAHEM. Pristine? The bread dumped in (to feed the invasive carp that have taken the lake over) add more phosphorus in 1 year than ran in ten years naturally before the carp feeding. The nutrient loading that occurs just from bread has taken that lake far from pristine for a LONG time. Oh by the way, how is a man made lake considered pristine?

Don't get me wrong, I love pymy, but 20 hp isn't going to hurt anybody, except the idiots that I see out there with 3 guys in a 10 ft johnboat with 6 inches of freeboard in a 3 foot chop. That boat will sit even lower when they put a 20 on it and you know that some of the guys you see out there are dumb enough to do it.

Anybody that can go fast enough with a 20 will not have a heavy enough boat to make a big wake. And anyone with a big enough boat will not be able to go fast enough. If that isn't enough, make waterskiing illegal on that lake.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/14/2008 7:59:54 AM

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/14/2008 1:06:56 PM

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South of the causeway (should be) unlimited horsepower!

North of the causeway (should be) 20hp limit due to large numbers of stumps and bumps (bars)

Speed surely can't be the issue. Fish out there on one of the big bass tourney days and watch the 16' skiffs (flatbottoms) rip around with roostertails.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/14/2008 2:21:16 PM

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Your right; maybe 400 horse should be the limit. We should also be able to use snag hooks, drag nets, and dynamite. Breed the stock fish to glow in the dark to make it eaiser to find them. It's supposed to be a sport! If you pick the wrong spot to launch you should pay the price and either lose time traveling with a 10 hp motor or pull out and re-launch where you guess the fish might be. There are many places to put in around the lake, and if you know the lake you dont need to travel far to get on some fish.This is all about lazy people wanting to go fast and kill as many fish as they can get at, not about going fishing or being a good sportsman. My opinion is: if you want to eat 25,000 crappie a year, good, do it according to ALL the rules where ever you are fishing.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/14/2008 3:07:31 PM

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Speed surely can't be the issue. Fish out there on one of the big bass tourney days and watch the 16' skiffs (flatbottoms) rip around with roostertails.

guys running those skiffs are running more than 10hp. imo those roostertails and waves coming off of those boats is hilarious. they were running those and 9.9/18hp tohatsus(some still do) on arthur, wilhelm, etc... before the limit got changed. gotta love seeing that and then wardens saying theyre going to check motors. LMAO!!!!!!

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/14/2008 7:27:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: crappiechuck The reason Pymy. is rated 9.9 or 10 HP is due to the fact that conservationists like we fishermen, hunters, and outdoorsmen; wanted somewhere that wasn't inundated with water skiing rude @#%holes that churn up the shallow lake and ruin the habitat and tranquil fishing conditions held dear to us. Meanwhile I will be daydreaming trolling for eye's or peacefully watching my bobber in a calm, pristine eco-system meant to benifit the fish (not the fishermen) and ensure that me and those like me will have somewhere to go to do so.

Please cite the sources for this information.

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ORIGINAL: crappiechuck Talk about missing the point!!!! the lake is meant to fish on not haul ass around. I hope everone who has an illegal motor gets caught, because they care only about themselves not other fishermen, the people who live on the lake, the fish, or the lake itself.

Again, please cite your source.

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ORIGINAL: crappiechuck I pay taxes to uphold the law. If the WCO is corrupt then screw them............... take some pictures (I surely will) and email them here. If a few people spoke up 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Wrong is wrong. It isn't a problem with boats going 2 or 200 it's about fair is fair and the law says 9.9hp. If your vows say until death do you part, can anyone bang your wife??????????????????

You really don't have sources for all of this "information" you speak of do you and I doubt you really know how your taxes are spent.

Increasing to 20 HP really won't mean much of a change at all. There won't be any more reckless boaters than now nor will there be any wakeboarders but it will help to make the lake a safer waterway.

By the way, your vows are moral, not legal.

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ORIGINAL: crappiechuck

Your right; maybe 400 horse should be the limit. We should also be able to use snag hooks, drag nets, and dynamite. Breed the stock fish to glow in the dark to make it eaiser to find them. It's supposed to be a sport! If you pick the wrong spot to launch you should pay the price and either lose time traveling with a 10 hp motor or pull out and re-launch where you guess the fish might be. There are many places to put in around the lake, and if you know the lake you dont need to travel far to get on some fish.This is all about lazy people wanting to go fast and kill as many fish as they can get at, not about going fishing or being a good sportsman. My opinion is: if you want to eat 25,000 crappie a year, good, do it according to ALL the rules where ever you are fishing.

Yep, we wake up each morning wondering how many fish we can kill. You know, you really aren't making much sense.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/14/2008 11:41:17 PM

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It is not about being lazy or stupid or wanting to go 900 mph...It is about the fact that some of us would like to have 1 kicker motor that works for all the hp restriction lakes. I am fairly certain that there are no more and no less "Sportsmen" on Arthur than there were when it was 10hp.
This thread is not about breaking the rules Hell you should be happy if they increased the limit, it would probably mean that guys would drive past a lot more fish. It is about a state having consistent rules, so that those of us who don't have the money or time to overhaul the a$$ end of the boat everytime we change lakes.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/15/2008 3:23:51 PM

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My Erie boat has a 20hp kicker and I would love to have the opportunity to use it on Pymy, especially the south end to utilize its "equipment" to target muskies as well as the few 'eyes still there. It sure would save some gas $$!

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/15/2008 8:44:06 PM

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Interesting thought storm, can't wait to see 50 boats running full spreads around the south end. That would get fun in a hurry......

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/15/2008 10:53:51 PM

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Totally agree Musky, one motor to fish Arthur and Pyma. Not a need for speed, just a lack of money to buy a "Pyma motor". I don't know about others, but when I bought my boat everyone was saying most lakes are 20hp and Pymatuning is going to go that way, so it won't be problem. Then the legistation got bogged down. That simple, good people that don't have money for several motors or to buy lakefront Pyma property.

And, it is the same people that fish there today....

I have a very small older boat with 10hp motor, but it takes very little wind to make that boat dangerous on the lake. But dangerous is appearantly the intent of the law. I really should be taking my larger boat, the old small one is a cheaper duck boat.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/16/2008 6:31:50 PM

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Got my 9.9 hp on the back of my one bassboat.

Of course,

it has a 15 hp carb!

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/16/2008 6:45:00 PM

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CRAPPIECHUCK,I MUST AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE HORSEPOWER.I DO NOT THINK WE NEED TO INCRESE THE HORSEPOWER.FASTER BOATS BETTER CHANCE OF ACCIDENTS.THERE ARE BOATERS THAT DRINK WHILE FISHING SO THAT ALONE WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE CHANCE OC ACCIDENTS.AS IN THE PAST IF YOU CITE ONE,CITE THEM ALL.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/16/2008 8:38:27 PM

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Hey crackhead99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I usually wouldn't debate a battle of wits with an unarmed man as it is unfair, and to quote Benjamin Franklin "justice supports the intelligent" and it seems you are typing alone with 2 fingers!!!

BUT: I have seen as well as many others posting on this site have seen enough people creating wakes around the lake to know who is breaking the law.
Fact 1

Furthermore : If the lake was ment to haul ass around the HP limit would not be 9.9.
Fact 2

ALSO: Wedding vows are considered a legal and binding contract in 37 of the 52 states in the USA. That may not be the the case in your situation that probably has to consider a "LIFE PARTNER" not a legal spouse.
Fact 3

SO: When it comes to not making much sense I belive you need to read your own nonsensical ramblings that seem to represent an attack and not a formulated nor supported intelligent opinion.

BUT: As a sportsman and a person who truly cares about the lake its resources, the sorrounding economy, and the human species as a whole; I wish you the best of luck while fishing and in life.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/16/2008 10:48:48 PM

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Finally someone is approaching this in a calm logical way. Some guys go off on rants about 9/11 and stuff.

Thanx, us dum gys R glaad you willl tock 2 US

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/16/2008 11:31:27 PM

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Lundrunner, that's funny right there! I don't care who ya are!

Actually the statement that Ohio won't go along with the plan is not completly true
http://www.lbo.state.oh.us/fiscal/fiscalnotes/126ga/HB0157SP.htm
This link shows the bill that approves 20hp on pontoon larger than 16 feet.

Crappiechuck and Walleye 18. That horsepower limit was set in 1963. To you think that the boats today are somewhat larger and heavier than they were 45 years ago? Get with the times it is about keeping equipment current.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/17/2008 5:43:34 AM

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I agree it would be nice to use ONE motor for all the smaller hp lakes.

For the opponents to changing the Pymie HP that are worried it will change the lake in some way, just look at Arthur or Wilhelm. I have yet to read a comment on how the increased hp has damaged or negatively affected those lakes, I'm fairly certain Pymie would be the same way.

On a kinda funny note, ever see the wake that comes off a pontoon boat when it is loaded with Amish and being pushed by a 9.9?
Now that's funny right there!

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/17/2008 5:49:57 AM

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My 14ft fishing boat leaves almost no wake when I get up on plane. 22mph by the gps. It's only a 15.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/17/2008 9:50:53 PM

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This page is entertaining. But it doesn't actually change anything.

Thanks for posting the Ohio law Muskymastr. I was told that PA has passed 20hp for all boats and that it was OH was the holdup on making 20hp for all boats. I would gladly take a law for 20hp for all boats over 16 or 17 feet. As you stated it is not completely true that OH is against 20hp, since they allow it for pontoons. But do you know if they are the holdup on the other types of boats?

At the very start of this string it was said that some legislators are changing in OH and maybe there is a chance to change it. Can OH fisherman contact their legislators? I'm from PA and don't have much influence on OH legistators.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/17/2008 10:15:26 PM

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Drinking is illegal at Pyma, in any boat or canoe.

To follow the same logic, we should all drive mopeds, some people drink and drive motor vehicles on roads.

Small motors generally mean small boats, not always, but almost always. Small boats generally mean higher danger. Particularly at a place that gets waves in 25mph winds that you have to go to a Great Lake to match. In the early spring or late fall we all know the danger of cold water. Cold water is a real danger. There's only one real fix for cold water danger, don't get swamped or fall out of your boat. The best way to do this is have a large enough boat. One that a wave won't swamp. Not a small boat selected to make up for too low of a hp limit.

Not an attack on anyone, just my view or the small motors to increase safety issue.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/18/2008 12:24:28 AM

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This whole matter is rediculous, the lake should not be 10hp. Someone will die one of these days in there 10 foot boot with their 9.9 and the family will sue and end up owning the lake. They will then turn it into a water skiing retreat and become rich.

On a serious note....

Nature and erosion are not the issues. Whether it is 9.9 or 9999 it isn't going to change to environment around the lake. Don't believe me? Check out Mosquito Lake a few miles southwest of pymie. It is basically the same lake except unlimited hp. I have been reading the paper daily and I have yet to see any pictures of lakefront houses falling into the water because of the devastating shoreline erosion epidemic. From what I understand, there is also a healthy population of different fish species and abundant aquatic vegetation. None of this has been affected by the bigger motors. This is because a boat that can get up on plane creates far less wake and disturbance than a boat with 6 fat WCO's plowing through the water. ....And here's he kicker.... Pymatuning has more boating related fatalies in it's history than Mosquito Lake(source-Ohio and Pennsylvania Coast Guard Websites).

Pymatuning is a state park however, and it should be 20 horsepower. To you guys running 15 and 20 hp kicker motors down there I say keep up the good work. Even if they do check motors, what are they going to do? No one is getting arrested. No one is going to go to jail. You will pay your fifty dollar fine and with any sense, head to the boat dealer and buy a bigger motor so next time you get your money's worth.

For the life of me I cannot understand why people would be against a horsepower change or why someone would make a stink about other guys running bigger motors. You know 10 hp isn't safe for the lake at times and creates just as much if not more of a disturbance than boats powered by larger motors. This is for both the ecosystem and the fishermen. There are plenty of more important things to worry about. If you are losing sleep at night over it then take the certification and become a WCO. Then you will be eduated on the matter and realize that there are bigger problems facing the Fish and Boat Commission and the environment than some guy going 18 miles an hour rather than 12.

To whoever is holding up the hp change and those who are complaining about the hopped up motors, GET A LIFE.

Signed,

John Q Public

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/18/2008 1:16:26 AM

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amen

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/18/2008 9:06:52 AM

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gopens, hard to argue with you logic. i fish both lakes. actually the walleye fishing is better at mosquito, but they are both the same type of basin lake, pymy being about 5000 acres bigger. in the 70s i ran i petition for local lake businesses trying to ban unlimited hp on the lake. after having fished it for decades, i cannot see any problem with a 20. if it saves lives, then our legislators should be ashamed of themselves for procrastinating. must be no money in it for them (cynicism).

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/23/2008 1:10:30 PM

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Here is another vote for an increase to match the other state parks. I fish Pymy, Wilhelm, and Glendale on a regular basis and Arthur occassionaly. The increase to 20 hp has had no visible negative effect from what I have seen on Wilhelm, Glendale or Arthur. And for a lake of Pymy's size, it is utterly ridiculous to not increase it and be consistent with the other state parks in the area. The way the law is written, you will not be able to water ski, wakeboard, etc. so that argument is moot. Why can't PA go off on its own and pass its own law that states that any PA registered boat operating on Pymy can have up to 20 hp? I assume the nature of the agreement between PA and OH disallows it but I wonder if it has ever been "tested."

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/23/2008 7:00:20 PM

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If it is a common waterway, manmade, and the two states thats boundries fall within its body cannot come to a common agreement it may require federal mediation to determine recreational guide lines.

Just guessing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/23/2008 10:21:31 PM

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There is a consortium or compact of some sort that both states signed years ago that requires dual authorization.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/24/2008 6:36:46 AM

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Still don't understand how they can tell the difference between a 9.9 and a 15 if there are no numbers on it. I don't have to prove it's a 9.9. They have to prove it's a 15.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/24/2008 10:22:00 AM

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Still don't understand how they can tell the difference between a 9.9 and a 15 if there are no numbers on it. I don't have to prove it's a 9.9. They have to prove it's a 15.

My 15HP Johnson's serial number has the 15 in it. I don't have any external serial numbers located on my motor but if they pop the 9.9HP motor cover, the serial number is stamped right on the flywheel, among other places. Either I get the grinder out (talk about suspicous) or take my chances at Pymy. I can always argue the "sir, the serial # may say this is a 15hp motor but it runs like crap, better get out your dyno and check her out" defense! Seriously though, my 14' boat is so heavy with a floor, casting deck, and what not that I don't break any speed records. Only way I'll be getting checked is if they are checking every motor that comes in at the launch (which from the sound of it, they are). I'll still take my chances.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/26/2008 5:37:31 PM

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When i was at the sportsman show in Feb., I ask a wco about this very subject. He said that if they raised the hp then most people would then have 20 hp stickers on 40 or 50 hp motors. And that most jetskis have 40 hp motors. Thats just what he told me.

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RE: Pymatuning Horespower! - 4/27/2008 7:38:20 AM

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When i was at the sportsman show in Feb., I ask a wco about this very subject. He said that if they raised the hp then most people would then have 20 hp stickers on 40 or 50 hp motors. And that most jetskis have 40 hp motors. Thats just what he told me.

20 stickers on 40-50's? Like that wouldn't be obvious.....
The PAFBC is in support of changing Pymie to 20. Ohio needs to fall in line and support the increase.
A new legislator is taking over in Ashtabula County, good bye to the old one whom held this change up.
I think you'll see Pymie change to 20 within a year.

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