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*commander* -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/5/2008 11:26:15 AM)

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MuskyMastr

What need did Mahan fill? The need for a less than medicore center that gets run over like a cone at the PennDOT Driver's License place. The Steelers front office is pretty good, but they are far from the best in the league. Just like every other team, the Steelers make mistakes and I think the biggest mistake of all time in the entire league was the Steelers cutting Johnny Unitas. I said it before and I will say it again, the Steelers win because of consistency. There is alot to be said about keeping the same coach and not signing big free agents, but the other way also works. Look at the Giants, before they had Plaxico they were a middle of the road team in the NFC. The Pats were getting ready to re-build before they picked up Moss and Welker. I think you get the idea, and if you didn't already notice Sean Mahan is the worst center to every play for the Steelers.



trackstat, had i not brought up the fact of the steelers cutting johnny unitas in another thread you wouldnt even know the steelers had him.

like i have also said, your idea of consistency of keeping players and COACHES is different from MOST everybody else. you think a bad game/bad call/woulda/coulda/shoulda play, justifies a benching of a player and the firing of the coach. had the University of Pittsburgh athletic director job and the Stillers head coaching job had the requirement of "best armchair quarterback ever" you would have been a "shoe-in." youd have been hired immediately and wouldnt have had to move to minnehaha to get a job. glad your back trackstat. your a hoot.



beerman -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/5/2008 3:58:54 PM)

First I want to state that I'm a fan of certain sports teams from Cleveland and Pittsburgh both.  I like the Browns, Pens, Cavs, Indians and Pirates.  This being said, some fans of the Pirates and Steelers better start paying attention to the lack of ownership investment in their teams.  Mainly my rant is about the Pirates. 

The owners just want to maximize profits by not investing into the team.  By this I mean they aren't spending money on free agency and in their farm system.  I used to follow the Bucs in the National League and the Tribe in the American league.... not this year.  I'm not paying any attention to the Pirates.  All they are is a major league farm club.  The Browns haven't had a championship caliber team for years, but at least the owner is spending some of the profits trying to improve the team.  Most Pittsburgh and Cleveland fans have so much passion for their favorite teams that they are blinded by it and don't see how brainwashed they are.  Sports are more and more about business.  Go Memphis!



*commander* -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/5/2008 5:09:00 PM)

i dont think youre wrong beerman. however, as far as the pirates go i guess i'm part of the problem. if they win great, if not, it doesnt bother me. the ball field, the fireworks and skyblasts are awesome and the seats sell. personally, if i cant get seats 20 rows or closer i dont go to the game. for a DECENT price, those seats are not as easy to get as one would think. imo the stillers and the pens make up for the lowly pirates. cant have it all i guess.



ronnie84 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/5/2008 8:18:16 PM)

Something like $35 all you can eat hot dogs, burgers, etc. in the outfield seats this year? Pretty pumped up for that. Yeah, I'm part of the problem, too. The Pirates continue to redefine mediocrity while the Nuttings invest in yet another yacht, but whatever. I'm so used to the losing that I really don't care when they do, it makes every win that much more special LOL...



beerman -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/26/2008 3:04:20 PM)

Time for the NFL Draft.  IMO the Steelers will/should take an offensive lineman in the first round.
Who do you think Pittsburgh will take with their first pick?

As for the Browns......they must wait until round 4, Sunday.



carpitiss -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/26/2008 6:02:38 PM)

wow! i didn't think Rashard Mendenhall would drop that far. steelers are back with the power running game. this guy is a TOUGH running back. great pick. He was projected to go around #10.



jackq -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/26/2008 7:37:43 PM)

I don't think the Steelers could believe he was still around either. And I agree....great pick. Bye-bye Mr. Davenport. I didn't follow the draft very closely so could someone explain to me how New England got a first round pick. I was under the impression they lost their 1st round pick because of the video cheating deal.



MuskyMastr -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/27/2008 2:13:13 PM)

They had two first rounders because of a previous trade with (?????????) brain fart......



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/28/2008 11:12:07 AM)

Steelers Draft:

Well the draft is over and it was very interesting to say the least. I think the Steelers did a pretty good job on day one, but day two is another story. I like the Davis and Hill picks, but the Dixon pick is baffling because of the Steelers lack of depth at O-Line and D-Line. More than likely Davis will play OLB, so the Steelers will basically have the same three up front this season. Hill is very good and has promise, but he has been injured many times in his short career. I like the Dixon pick only if he is the next Randle El or Slash, but if they drafted him to replace Batch or Zabransky it was a wasted pick. If I had to grade the Steelers draft, I would give them an A+ for day one and a C for day two, overall a solid B.

Browns Draft:

Cleveland may have had the worst draft of any team, which was to be expected since they traded away many of their picks for veteran D-Lineman. The Browns better hope that Rogers and Williams pan out or they are in for another long season on defense. The Browns biggest issue last season was the D-Line and I still believe that is their biggest issue going into this season. They are going to have a really tough time stopping the Steelers and Ravens high powered running games. Beerman, I hope for your sake Rogers doesn't come into camp 50 lbs. overweight and out of shape as usual. In terms of the Browns draft picks, I think Bell from UNLV was a wasted pick and sadly enough the Browns first pick (even though it was the fourth round). He is too slow to be a top inside backer in the NFL, i.e. he cannot cover tight ends like Heath Miller very well and he played very weak competition in college. Rubin is the only player from the Browns draft that has a chance to start in a few seasons, especially since the Browns are so thin at D-Line. He is a big guy with some quickness, but I'm not sure he fits the Browns scheme very well. I think he will be a special teamer at best this season, but who knows Rogers may let the team down and give him the chance to play. I give the Browns a D- for their draft efforts this season.

P.S. Thoughts and comments are appreciated. On a final note, I can't believe the Ravens took a quarterback who couldn't cut it at Pitt in the first round. Wow!




D-nymph -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/28/2008 2:04:22 PM)

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On a final note, I can't believe the Ravens took a quarterback who couldn't cut it at Pitt in the first round. Wow!




Couldn't cut it at PITT?

I don't think that's really accurate.

Pouted because he wasn't handed the job, maybe more like it. 

Either way, coddled quarterbacks with an overinflated sense of entitlement aren't really good for a franchise much of the time.



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (4/29/2008 3:41:49 PM)

Beerman

What is your take on the draft and the Browns going into this season? I think the AFC North is going to be very competitive.



carpitiss -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (5/2/2008 7:36:56 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC3xNSiRTDc&feature=related

sorry to bring up old sh!t, but i just couldn't help myself when i came across it. lol!!!



muskie500 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (5/7/2008 3:49:51 PM)

I think the only folks really afraid of the steelers in the region this year are their girlfriends, sorry guys Im out of helmet jokes.



beerman -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/9/2008 11:05:39 PM)

The Cleveland Browns start training camp Wednesday, July 23.

The Pittsburgh Steelers start training camp Sunday, July 27.


So....I saw on the news tonight that the Steelers are being sold...any opinions?



spoonchucker -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/9/2008 11:13:39 PM)

Nothing set in stone, or even thick mud yet.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8322622/Druckenmiller-trying-to-strike-deal-to-buy-Steelers



Deadbolt401 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/10/2008 1:25:36 AM)

Sell em and get an NBA team, or another hockey team.... Or a better baseball team.



[:D]



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/10/2008 2:16:49 PM)

This recent Steelers situation is pretty scary, but the NFL collective Bargaining Agreement that expires soon is a bigger threat to the leauge as a whole and teams like the Steelers. In a few years we may have no cap again and it will be tough for teams like the Steelers and Browns to remain competitive. Having a billionaire owner in this case would probably be the best case scenario. Let's just hope Druckenmiller keeps the team in the Burgh forever.



Rapscallion -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/10/2008 11:15:01 PM)

Who's been running the team for the past 25 years? Dan Rooney and son. Who will be running the team for the next umpteen years if Dan and son take the majority interest? Dan and son. So he's backed by a billionaire. What's the real difference?



beerman -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/10/2008 11:15:30 PM)

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Beerman

What is your take on the draft and the Browns going into this season? I think the AFC North is going to be very competitive.


Here is my take on the Browns 2008 draft: 
The way I look at it they took QB Brady Quinn (picked 22) with their first round  pick after trading away this year's (2008) first round pick to Dallas.  Round two brought DL Corey Williams after they traded the pick to Green Bay.   In the third round they got DL Shaun Rogers after a trade with Detroit.  Three out of these four guys will be starters.  Cleveland had their first pick overall in the fourth round.  They took LB Beau Bell from UNLV.  Cleveland had a second pick in the fourth round.  They took TE Martin Rucker from Missouri.  He is supposed to be a pass catching (not blocking) tight end ala Winslow.  I have no idea how either will do.  The key free agent signing was WR Donte Stallworth.  The Cleveland Browns should be a better team than last season, at least on paper!....The Pittsburgh Steelers ???



spoonchucker -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/10/2008 11:17:01 PM)

Depending on how the deal breaks down, Dan & son might not HAVE majority interest.



Rapscallion -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/10/2008 11:23:11 PM)

Does it really matter? Do you think billionaire duckfromstiller has any interest or knowledge on how to run an NFL team?



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 8:04:02 PM)

Rapscallion

I think you missed the point. If the Rooneys do not have majority control anything can happen. I hope for the best and Druckenmiller seems to have good intentions, but you can't always believe what people say. Additionally, if you think billionaire superfans have no interest in running or operating teams you may be a little mistaken. Ever hear of a guy from the Burgh named Mark Cuban? He seems to have little knowledge about running an NBA team, but he sure has the interest. I am not saying Druckenmiller will be the next Cuban, but never say never. Let's hope the Rooneys retain control, but I truly believe the collective bargaining issues are a bigger mess than this issue.



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 8:12:02 PM)

Beerman

Very good points about the Browns draft, but the one thing you may have forgotten is that the goal of a draft is to build for the future. The Browns are poised to have a very good season and I agree that they have improved on paper, but this last draft did little for the Browns in terms of re-loading. The cupboard is far from bare, but good teams always think about the future.

In terms of the Steelers, I believe they have also improved on paper. Hill will probably start on the line and hopefully protect Roethlisberger. Mendenhall will spilt carries with Parker and should be a significant upgrade over Davenport in short yardage situations and Sweed gives the Steelers the big target they need to score TD's in the redzone and take the pressure off of Roethlisberger. I am still a little worried about the Steelers offensive line, but other than that they should be in pretty good shape.



Rapscallion -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 8:35:07 PM)

Exactly what point did I miss? That Dan Rooney and son have zero chance of majority control of team? Or Drunkandswizzler has made it perfectly clear that he wants full operation of the team from top to bottom? From all reports, our potential billionaire owner prefers to stay behind the scenes and let the people who know about football take care of the football side of things. Just seems to want to fullfill a long awaited dream of owning the Steelers. As for Cuban, he's the guy that makes cigars and sandwiches right? With an ego as big as he has, is there any doubt he want control of everything right down to the thickness of the toilet paper in the mens rooms?
You'll have to come up with a little better analogy than that one to scare me into thinking that Dan Rooney is just going to all of a sudden walk away from his fathers team.
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Rapscallion

I think you missed the point. If the Rooneys do not have majority control anything can happen. I hope for the best and Druckenmiller seems to have good intentions, but you can't always believe what people say. Additionally, if you think billionaire superfans have no interest in running or operating teams you may be a little mistaken. Ever hear of a guy from the Burgh named Mark Cuban? He seems to have little knowledge about running an NBA team, but he sure has the interest. I am not saying Druckenmiller will be the next Cuban, but never say never. Let's hope the Rooneys retain control, but I truly believe the collective bargaining issues are a bigger mess than this issue.



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 8:56:03 PM)

Rapscallion

Settle down for one moment and think about what I have said. There is a chance that the Rooney family will no longer own the team. It is not set in stone, but may happen. Druckenmiller has made no assertation that he wants to control the team, just own them. My point is very simple as of this moment in time the Steelers future is not yet known. Did you honestly think that Cleveland would have no professional football team for a few years? The NFL is big business and anything can, has, and will happen. Let's hope the Steelers make the right decision and this ends up being a non-issue. And again I will mention I still think the NFL CBA situation is a much bigger threat to the Steelers than this issue.



Rapscallion -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 9:14:54 PM)

There is also a chance that it may snow in Cuba within the next week. Ahhh! That's where Cuban is from! Listen to what I say. Do you really think that Dan Rooney is going to just walk away from controlling the Steelers? He'll get at least one brother to pony up his 18%. I'm pretty sure none of the Rooney siblings want to see their fathers team turned over to someone who will rip the Pittsburgh out of it. And since you're dying for a response regarding the death of the CBA, here it is. It will get taken care of. There, that was easy.



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 9:31:16 PM)

Rapscallion

Well as long as you believe everything is ok [sm=dance2.gif]

In regards to the CBA I hope you are right, but I doubt everything will work out. In the NFL the players are subjected to far more in terms of chances to have a career ending injury than most other sports and they are paid less of a percentage of total revenues than athletes in other sports. A salary cap is good for owners who want to make money, especially those in small markets, however, the cap is not good for the players and I can't see them agreeing to a similar situation.



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 9:32:45 PM)

Beerman

I also forgot to mention the Steelers pickup of Hartwig who is not only an upgrade over Mahan, but should solidfy the center position for a few years. Mahan was the weak link of the Steelers O-line last season.



Rapscallion -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 10:09:57 PM)

You're right. If I was a player, I definitely wouldn't agree to play for millions of dollars under some prehistoric salary cap. I'd much rather not play at all and start that job at Mcdonalds that I have been dreaming about since childhood.
Unfortunately, I was at the back of the line when the big guy upstairs was passing out brains.



track2514 -> RE: 2008 Cleveland Browns ~ Pittsburgh Steelers ~ Others (7/11/2008 10:44:00 PM)

I must mention you are a pretty funny guy, but you fail to realize that if both sides do not agree on the cba then there will be one "capless" season prior to a possible strike. So the players will still get to play and Jerry Jones will sign everybody (well maybe that last part is an exaggeration, but he sure does like to spend money). Don't hold your breath for both sdes to agree on the CBA. There are many issues that need to be ironed out. For example, Matt Ryan has not even played a down in the NFL and he makes almost as much as Tom Brady, actually more with the signing bonus, but that is just one of the many issues.



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