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thedrake -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/9/2008 5:28:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: duncsdad

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ORIGINAL: thedrake

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ORIGINAL: S-10

Sooo-- after spending the bait fishermens money to fight Beaver and his special interest group for access to the stream some are suggesting we should replace his group with another special interest group. Some are using the logic that removing bait fishermen would lessen the mortality rate and make for a better C&R stream. Wellll--- Since the Erie tribs are a put and take fishery dependent on yearly stockings and not C&R I guess we should make them bait only to offset the streams some of the fly snobs want to take over for themselves. I carry both and use whatever is hot at the time because my objective is to catch fish not wash flies. I fish with a guy that won't use anything but a fly that he has tied himself even if I am standing beside him outfishing him 10 to one and offer him what I am using. He doesn't try to make me change  or go somewhere else and neither should you. Drake has the right attitude on this one. Next the vintage bamboo rodders will want their own section, don't forget an Orvis section, how about one for #20 and smaller hooks. We all pay for a license and what some are suggesting is exactly what Beaver is doing. My 2 cents


"an Orvis section"

Now that would be funny...a bunch of walking orvis catalogs with their own section of water, wearing the latest pastel colored orvis fishing shirts, getting their wonderline tangled in the trees.


But Simms would be okay?

Sorry, I just got my CC statement with the jacket on it.


Simms would be somewhat better....at least their shirts arent pastel colored.

If you can make it out sometime to get your moneys worth out of that jacket, let me know.



Caddisman1 -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/10/2008 11:19:48 AM)

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Should Bill Anderson or anyone in the little J assoc. be considered an expert or authority on this subject? NO. Remember, this movement is coming from the same guy who said on the spruce creek fly co. forum, that the numbers of green drakes on the Little J has decreased because too many birds were eating them. Anyone who fishes the river enough and knows anything about the green drake knows that their numbers decreased on the river as the amount of silt decreased. I wouldnt consider anyone who makes such an outrageous comment to be an expert on the little J.



HI all
   Good posts and discussion. I remember, that post when Bill made it and I could not believe that he said what he said. I believe that the river org. is a plus for the river but are off base on this issue. I have a trailer on the j and fish most every day in spring and summer, I am a avid  fly fisherman and I killed two fish over 20 inches last year. Both fish died as a result of surface fishing so maybe we should stop dry flies?   I think the river belongs to all, and if the fish are handled properly bait is OK.

                                                        John



thedrake -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/10/2008 3:13:50 PM)

I agree that having the river org. can be a good thing, but I feel that they are forgeting that having less fisherman able to fish the river means less support. At this point, I cant help but feel one of their original objectives was to make the river ffo. Afterall, Donny Beaver mentioned in the newspapers and on the SRC website, that he worked closely with the little juniata river assoc. to change the regulations. This is a major reason why I would never join the LJRA.

More fisherman means more people looking out for the river. Take away people from the river, and you take away watchfull eyes that will report dumping along the river, fish kills, illegal activity, and so on... Us flyfishers cant forget that we arent the only people who are concerned about our waters.

There are plenty of fly fisherman who think they are conservationists simply because they are carrying a fly rod, or a TU membership card. These are often the same people who, when they catch suckers, throw them up on the bank, forgetting that suckers are more native than most of the trout they fish for. I guess my point is, some flyfishers, even though they believe they're conservationists, are quite the opposite. If you take away everyone but fly fishers, you'll still have people that grip the fish too tightly, use barbed hooks, and hold fish out of the water too long during glamour shots.

Sorry for the rant....



Thats_Hot -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/11/2008 12:28:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thedrake
Should Bill Anderson or anyone in the little J assoc. be considered an expert or authority on this subject? NO. Remember, this movement is coming from the same guy who said on the spruce creek fly co. forum, that the numbers of green drakes on the Little J has decreased because too many birds were eating them. Anyone who fishes the river enough and knows anything about the green drake knows that their numbers decreased on the river as the amount of silt decreased. I wouldnt consider anyone who makes such an outrageous comment to be an expert on the little J.


I seem to remember Bill Anderson and Eric Stroup talking about this too.  Didn't it have to do with too many bridges and the fact that bridges weren't natural habitat (implying that the bridges created too much habitat for the birds and bats).  Think they ever heard of trees?  I think they were considering methods to capture the birds and bats so they could be placed elsewhere.  Crazy!

I heard about this white-nosed syndrome that's killing a lot of bats in the Northeast (http://www.fws.gov/northeast/white_nose.html) and after realizing what a major catastrophe this could be, thought maybe Bill Anderson has poisoned the bats and Eric Stroup is shaving them for tying material!  Now that's funny!



duncsdad -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/12/2008 7:49:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thedrake

quote:

ORIGINAL: duncsdad

quote:

ORIGINAL: thedrake

quote:

ORIGINAL: S-10

Sooo-- after spending the bait fishermens money to fight Beaver and his special interest group for access to the stream some are suggesting we should replace his group with another special interest group. Some are using the logic that removing bait fishermen would lessen the mortality rate and make for a better C&R stream. Wellll--- Since the Erie tribs are a put and take fishery dependent on yearly stockings and not C&R I guess we should make them bait only to offset the streams some of the fly snobs want to take over for themselves. I carry both and use whatever is hot at the time because my objective is to catch fish not wash flies. I fish with a guy that won't use anything but a fly that he has tied himself even if I am standing beside him outfishing him 10 to one and offer him what I am using. He doesn't try to make me change  or go somewhere else and neither should you. Drake has the right attitude on this one. Next the vintage bamboo rodders will want their own section, don't forget an Orvis section, how about one for #20 and smaller hooks. We all pay for a license and what some are suggesting is exactly what Beaver is doing. My 2 cents


"an Orvis section"

Now that would be funny...a bunch of walking orvis catalogs with their own section of water, wearing the latest pastel colored orvis fishing shirts, getting their wonderline tangled in the trees.


But Simms would be okay?

Sorry, I just got my CC statement with the jacket on it.


Simms would be somewhat better....at least their shirts arent pastel colored.

If you can make it out sometime to get your moneys worth out of that jacket, let me know.


I've been out scouting deer, but I shouldbe done in time for the Grannoms.



SilverKype -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/12/2008 10:10:51 PM)

I see it Shawn; you are really hurting my fillins!!



thedrake -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/13/2008 12:22:31 AM)


"I've been out scouting deer, but I shouldbe done in time for the Grannoms."

NOW THATS FUNNY! [sm=icon16.gif]



duncsdad -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (3/23/2008 11:55:10 AM)

I actaully saw three deer yesterday while running the dogs across from the house.  They were in good shape.

Jon,

I saw some nice bucks, the type you are looking for, this winter in our neck of the woods.  When we run into each other on the Little Ji, I'll let you know where.



duncsdad -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (4/8/2008 9:04:25 AM)

I have been stopping at the Little J 2-3 times per week on the way home from work to check for bugs and have yet to see anyone using any type of tackle in the areas I have checked.



elephanthead -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (4/10/2008 6:52:48 AM)

Saw a copy of Pa Outdoor News yesterday and fell out of my chair when I saw the article on Anderson and the Little J.  The guys got the nuts of a gunfighter !!!  If he ever falls off that horse he's on he's sure to get killed from the high fall. Not a person I would want to hang out with. He probably de-crusts his bread before he eats it. Not my kind of "man". I fish both fly and bait and have no problem w/either. "Why can't we all just get along ?" Silver Spoon syndrome if I ever saw one. He needs to get a life.



SilverKype -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (4/10/2008 10:02:31 AM)

Was he promoting fly fishing only on it Dave??


I haven't kept up on this too much.  I already have my opinion of Bill, and his actions.


Shawn,

Getting close to the grannoms!!    I'm going to have formerguide come out one morning, so maybe you'll get to meet him finally.



duncsdad -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (4/13/2008 7:13:47 AM)

Jon,

That would be great.  He and I can fish while you scout for some deer -- just kidding.

Let me know when.  I do need a little advanced notice because of all the activity at work.

I plan on fishing Thursday evening on the riiver somewhere.



thedrake -> RE: Little Juniata... Regulation Change? (4/13/2008 9:41:47 AM)

Count me in for Thursday Shawn.



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