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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/21/2008 11:27:41 PM

bluntman

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ORIGINAL: jrthe3

i have had my fair share of run ins with them 2 to 3 time a year fishing and 10 to 20 time a year hunt that is cause the game warden in my town has it out for me it is a small town and i kinda had a thing with is daughter me being 25 and her being 20 at the time did not make him to happy i had him to court 3 time for harassment he was told by the juge to back off but come hunting season he is on my a$$ again

one thing i have learned about the fish wardens is they get there big heads from carrying that gun but when they see you have one to they tend to change there tune

the way to stop it is to mace him and beat the everlovingshit outta him with a ballbat before he gets his gun, let us know how this works out

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 1:21:45 AM

powerun

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i had an experance with an officer with that same discription. at edinboro lk. i pulled my boat up and got out to get the trailer and load it up. as soon as i got off the boat he was there to check our catch (no problem) i let him . he saw the real nice crappie's we cought . he looked at the few perch we cought and said they were under size. i looked at him and said this is an inland lake not lake Erie. he said that didn't matter they have to be 8 inches . which 5 were over about 9 1/2 there were a couple 7 inch . he was going upto the truck to get his ticket book he got it out and was starting to write. the other pf&bc office(the driver) asked what was the problem. so he told him. the other younger officer started laughing his a$$ of and informed the older officer that at inland reg's there is NO SIZE LIMIT on perch. boy did the older officer feel like a jacka$$. he never appaligized to us he just got in the truck and rolled up the window.(it was in the mid 80's that day) the younger officer got out and came down with us to see the fish we cought and check the safty equ. he looked it over and said every thing is in order. and started laughing again about the perch. and appoligized for the other officer's action's.

don't the older officer's ever read the book's they print? he should have knew better don't you think.

if not he should do what T.T said in and earlyer thread. go flip burger's at mc donald's.

i was't mad about this just a little concerned . if the older officer was suffering from alzhimer's. or did he just having a brain fart.

this was funny. i truely feel we all have an off day. and brain fart's. and we all get flusterated . but if they are an officer of law enforcement they should conduct them selves as pollite as posible and not throw unproven accuation's . they need to get ALL the fact's first before making a jacka$$ of them selves and the pf & bc witch they repersent.

most of these officer's are on the level. and are willing to help and listen to what you have to say.

as far as the officer at the first thread (starting 1) if he think's that the fish are his only. then he can forfit his pay check's(fish support) and feed them !

the fish belong to everyone who obey's the law's of the land & are respectfull for the privilage to fish for them. and respect the effert's of the pf & bc. & 3-CU that raise them from egg - sperm and raise them to smolt's . and spend hour's in the spring planting them in the stream's. to ensure more steelhead fishing for year's to come.

but yes we all own a small a very very small part of the fish and all pf & bc property's to enjoy and leave as undisterbed as they were before we used them !

this was just my opion and yes there just like A-HOLES every 1 has 1.

you all have a good day
powerun
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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 2:15:37 AM

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I understand your question of "Why didn't he know the law?"

He obviously DIDN'T know the law for inland lakes. No need to question whether he had Alzheimer's. If you have ever had a family member with the same thing, you would understand they couldn't hold a job for very long.

Everyone has bad days, I'm sure you have had the same. As has been said OVER AND OVER again in this revived thread, it is the individual not the total body as a whole who may be at fault.

No one is perfect and I'm sure you yourself at work are questioned or are talked about for your inability to do your job from time to time. We all are. Get over it. Just a guy trying to do his job but screwed up.

LEARN TO SPELL CHECK DAVE! I swear your someone named Mike in a sort of way.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 3:52:56 AM

jrthe3

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i can under stand lttle miss haps but i not talking good day bad days i talking total abuse of power this warden lets call hiw "Mike W" walked up to a hunter in the woods ask to see his lience told guy to take it off coat when the hunter took his coat off to take lience off "MIKE W" fined him for hunting with out orange on

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 8:13:43 AM

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Well you all have finally managed it... I quit. this forum has turned for the worst. Every year someone starts this crap up about bashing the wardens. Now we even have someone suggesting to use mace and a baseball bat on them. This is the pettiest forum I have ever been on. the advice has been lacking and the b#####ing has increased. You, the forum leaders, are to blame. you allow this garbage to take up 4 pages.
It has nothing to do with free speech, it has to do with common sense. are there bad wardens, yes. Do they have bad days like evryone else,yes. but to sit here and dog those who do a job that is needed is just to much. You complain that the lakes are losing fish to those who keep illegal sizes, yet, you complain if you are inconvienenced for 15 minutes while they check your boat.
Grow up, the days of bashing autority figures should have left you in high school.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 8:28:25 AM

pxatim

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jrthe3

i can under stand lttle miss haps but i not talking good day bad days i talking total abuse of power this warden lets call hiw "Mike W" walked up to a hunter in the woods ask to see his lience told guy to take it off coat when the hunter took his coat off to take lience off "MIKE W" fined him for hunting with out orange on

The best way to keep him off your back is to make sure you aren't doing anything illegal in any way. As we should all be doing anyways. But if he really fined a guy for no orange after asking for his license then that's rediculous and you should have his badge number. I don't see how you could fight the fine and loose regardless.

But I do know some of these wardens hate the world and can be pita to deal with.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 8:43:44 AM

Mikastorm

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You all know my feelings on the power hungry ..... They really nead to know the laws. While float hunting for ducks we were near the take out when a warden pops out of the brush and had us row to shore to look at our license. He then asked if our guns were loaded. Duh...He presedes to want to write us up cause we were under power(oars) with a loaded weapon. My bud knows the hunting bible better than any warden and instructs this guy on the law and on what page to look at. He gives us a warning with a big grudge.

to the un knowledged.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 8:54:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JumboPerch#r

Well you all have finally managed it... I quit. this forum has turned for the worst. Every year someone starts this crap up about bashing the wardens. Now we even have someone suggesting to use mace and a baseball bat on them. This is the pettiest forum I have ever been on. the advice has been lacking and the b#####ing has increased. You, the forum leaders, are to blame. you allow this garbage to take up 4 pages.
It has nothing to do with free speech, it has to do with common sense. are there bad wardens, yes. Do they have bad days like evryone else,yes. but to sit here and dog those who do a job that is needed is just to much. You complain that the lakes are losing fish to those who keep illegal sizes, yet, you complain if you are inconvienenced for 15 minutes while they check your boat.
Grow up, the days of bashing autority figures should have left you in high school.

I have not "bashed" anyone in law enforcement yet... That said, I respect game wardens and state troopers for the job they do. For the most part, in most states they are the most highly trained, smartest, and level headed members of law enforcement. When there are problems is when you start to talk about game warden deputies, town cops, sheriffs deputies and any other law enforcement job that can be obtained simply by taking a civil service exam. It is amazing to me that some of the biggest law breakers, bullys, and stupid jocks end up in positions of law enforcement when they get older. With all of the media available to citizens today, we are just beginning to see what kinds of thugs and criminals many of our law enforcement people really are. Time and time again we see stories of crooked law enforcement officers in the news, on the internet or in the papers. There is a reason that they lead the nation in divorce rate as a profession.

I will stop my ramble, but before I do I would give one of many examples of bad people in law enforcement that I personally am aware of. When I was 17, I was playing basketball at a neighbors house. They lived on a winding road that a car doing close to 100mph. decided to fly down that evening. The car lost control, slammed through a concrete statue at the end of the driveway, cut two 6" diameter trees, and hit one of my friends who was picking up an errant basketball, killing him in front of all of us. The driver of the car stumbled out and was one of our classmates that lived a mile up the road. He was stoned out of his mind and two beer cans fell out onto the ground. His father was a sheriff's deputy and happened to be the first one there. The can's disappeared and all charges were dropped against the driver (claimed that he was doing the speed limit and lost his brakes). Three years later (no college degree) this kid is made a local cop in the community and then a sheriff's deputy within a year after that in the same county where his father is a lieutenant. Today, he is a sheriff's deputy in Roanoke, VA. I can go into details of several others with odd circumstances such as this, as I am sure many others can. Somehow, someway the process by how law enforcement agents are selected needs to be streamlined and reevaluated.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 9:02:45 AM

pxatim

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JumboPerch#r

Well you all have finally managed it... I quit. this forum has turned for the worst. Every year someone starts this crap up about bashing the wardens. Now we even have someone suggesting to use mace and a baseball bat on them. This is the pettiest forum I have ever been on. the advice has been lacking and the b#####ing has increased. You, the forum leaders, are to blame. you allow this garbage to take up 4 pages.
It has nothing to do with free speech, it has to do with common sense. are there bad wardens, yes. Do they have bad days like evryone else,yes. but to sit here and dog those who do a job that is needed is just to much. You complain that the lakes are losing fish to those who keep illegal sizes, yet, you complain if you are inconvienenced for 15 minutes while they check your boat.
Grow up, the days of bashing autority figures should have left you in high school.

Yeah... nice avatar buddy. Everyone has their opinion as do you. What makes you better bashing this board and the people on it than the people talking about bad expiences with law men.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 3:58:08 PM

powerun

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GOBYKING i am over it . it was very funny to me. that a person that has had to have extencive training in fishing law's would have made a rookie mistake. it happen's . thank god he is'nt a brain surgent. as far as being questioned at work . it doesn't happen here i am the boss. i have my own buisness me and my girl. and yes we are in the fishing industry. and yes i'm the worst speller you ever seen. but if some one need's the shirt off my back they.ve got it. if i know how to tie it i'll teach it. no problem. yes i knew people with alezhimer's in my life and it is a terriable disease.

but if you take the job atleast know what it detail's . and if you don't get informed.

as i said in the first post IT IS ONLY MY OPION . and not to be bashed at. oh hell if you want bash . bash away. this sight is netorious for that activity. and i wasn't bashing the warden . i was just showing they are as inperfect as the rest of us. meaning there no god . some think they are but unfortunatly there not. i stoped posting for over a year becouse of the bashing. i am not leaveing this time. i guess you all are stuck with me lol.

you all have a great day.
dave

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/22/2008 7:40:24 PM

GrnWeenieWizard

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In WV, we call game wardens "Possum Sheriffs".... Just some inside info for you fellers that will be coming to WV in the future...

hehehe...

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/25/2008 12:29:04 AM

MuskyMastr

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I have had lots of checks in the field from PFBC and PGC WCO's and deputies...some resulted in fines most did not.

However if you are a WCO or deputy, know the rules. It is your job. Bottom line. I am tired of explaining the code to those few who refuse to learn.
Too many of my incidents resulted from WCO's or deputies that didn't know the regs.

Also I learned that letters do work, if I have an unpleasant experience I write a letter, if I don't get an answer or a satisfactory one I write another. From experience you will get a response. Deputies have been run out of PFBC in lawrence county for too many legitimate complaints.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/25/2008 1:57:44 AM

powerun

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well, said musky.knowing the reg's is there job. bottom line!

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/25/2008 3:29:10 AM

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I watched a guy get a warning today for having an adult life jacket on his kid in the front of a canoe. When the WCO warned him the guy started running his mouth. The WCO still let him go, but I think one more word and the dude was paying. Why would anyone get mad if you are breaking a law and the WCO lets you go with a warning. All he asked him was to return to the launch and get a lifejacket that fit the kid, one he wouldn't slip out of if he fell in.

My bet is that allot of the B.S. you hear about on hear (not all, just much of it) is similar situations. Laws being bent, then guys mouths getting them in trouble.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/25/2008 9:15:52 AM

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A couple of weeks ago we were launching out of Walnut well before daybreak and saw a guy in a little 14' aluminum boat with no lights We almost backed into him. He proceeded into the channel .. We all made a comment about how stupid he was.. About halfway through the Chanel here comes a fish cop running from the building.. He told the guy to return to the dock.. As he tried he stalled and had a hard time getting started again So we almost ran him over again.... I bet he had a few comments about that fish cop but HE DESERVED IT...........He had a kid with him

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/25/2008 10:49:30 AM

powerun

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glad you were watching out for him. what an idiot.with a child aboard.your right he double DESERVED it.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 8/25/2008 11:06:01 AM

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