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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 12:52:25 PM   
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the brown trout in walnut had no problem with water temps this whole summer.


interesting this statement was over looked.

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This topic has been hammered over and over. However, I looked this up many years ago. At that time I found out that steelhead cannot reproduce here because the fish have to come from saltwater to fresh water in order for fertilization to be possible. Now, I am sort of doubting that info by some of the "veteran" responsed to this thread. Can anybody clear this up.


pure nonsense.

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If the state would shut down steelhead fishing after stocking this spring's smolts, just boom, no more fishing in Erie tribs at all for anything...would the steelhead population stabilize and maintain itself, even at a low number? I suspect it'd be like the chinooks and cohos that are sometimes caught/sighted while steelhead fishing. Yes there are definitely a few, and yes, they are sustaining their population, but no, they're not present in any significant numbers. Just a guess though, I await the input of hotter heads.


actually Cold, steelhead/rainbow have been in lake erie for 90+ years.
A few old timers, long gone now, have told me about the small runs of rainbows (1950's-60's) that would come into walnut in Dec-Jan.

only a few knew about these fish.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 12:57:16 PM   
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the brown trout in walnut had no problem with water temps this whole summer.


interesting this statement was over looked.



those are stocked trout... every close to marginal waterway in PA has them

your point?

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 12:57:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cold

Another question:

If the state would shut down steelhead fishing after stocking this spring's smolts, just boom, no more fishing in Erie tribs at all for anything...would the steelhead population stabilize and maintain itself, even at a low number? I suspect it'd be like the chinooks and cohos that are sometimes caught/sighted while steelhead fishing. Yes there are definitely a few, and yes, they are sustaining their population, but no, they're not present in any significant numbers. Just a guess though, I await the input of hotter heads.


Yes, probably something like that.  There would also be a certain amount of random "strays" from Ohio, New York and Canada in PA's tribs.  I question how many salmon caught in PA are "wild" fish and how many are Michigan stocked strays from Lake Huron or Canadian tribs to Erie.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The point was, the water temp could support trout.

I know browns can survive slightly higher water temps than rainbows, but that creek was 56 degrees in early sept.

are you saying a "stocked" fish is genetically able to survive higher water temps than a native fish?

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:03:00 PM   
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This topic has been hammered over and over.  However, I looked this up many years ago.  At that time I found out that steelhead cannot reproduce here because the fish have to come from saltwater to fresh water in order for fertilization to be possible.    Now, I am sort of doubting that info by some of the "veteran" responsed to this thread.  Can anybody clear this up. 


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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:04:11 PM   
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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:05:08 PM   
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are you saying a "stocked" fish is genetically able to survive higher water temps than a native fish?


no... i am saying they were raised in a concrete raceway for a few years eating dog food and rode in a tanker truck to the stream

not stream-bred

stocked trout can survive ... but cannot sustain





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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:06:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: D-nymph

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ORIGINAL: Cold

Another question:

If the state would shut down steelhead fishing after stocking this spring's smolts, just boom, no more fishing in Erie tribs at all for anything...would the steelhead population stabilize and maintain itself, even at a low number? I suspect it'd be like the chinooks and cohos that are sometimes caught/sighted while steelhead fishing. Yes there are definitely a few, and yes, they are sustaining their population, but no, they're not present in any significant numbers. Just a guess though, I await the input of hotter heads.


Yes, probably something like that.  There would also be a certain amount of random "strays" from Ohio, New York and Canada in PA's tribs.  I question how many salmon caught in PA are "wild" fish and how many are Michigan stocked strays from Lake Huron or Canadian tribs to Erie.


right on Dnymph. The fish that return to Pa could be from anywhere. Our Pa fish can and do go to different streams.

Pa fish do not imprint very well, I guess the streams have a similiar smell.
I believe, the fish enter the trib that is closest to them when the genetic urge to spawn happens.

I have caught plenty of fish with clipped fins and missing gill plates.
Who stocked these? Canada? Michigan?

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:06:33 PM   
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Salt to fresh...not true. There are good numbers of wild steelbows on the Catt. Should be even more if the Dam gets demolished...And I can assure you that there is no "salt" handy.




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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:06:36 PM   
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the brown trout in walnut had no problem with water temps this whole summer.


interesting this statement was over looked.



It's oberlooked because Walnut Creek isn't an approved trout water.  PFBC does not stock stream trout in Walnut at all.

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/fishpub/summary/troutregs_nw.htm

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:09:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: anadromous

Salt to fresh...not true. There are good numbers of wild steelhead on the Catt. Should be even more if the Dam gets demolished...And I can assure you that there is no "salt" handy.
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ORIGINAL: Hummer82

This topic has been hammered over and over.  However, I looked this up many years ago.  At that time I found out that steelhead cannot reproduce here because the fish have to come from saltwater to fresh water in order for fertilization to be possible.    Now, I am sort of doubting that info by some of the "veteran" responsed to this thread.  Can anybody clear this up. 





don't forget the kings that are caught each year. I fished a trib to the catt 2 days ago, no shortage of kings or steel. The gravel is tailor made for successful spawning.


I'm headed out for some afternoon fishing, will check back this evening. wish me luck.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:10:30 PM   
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I'm headed out for some afternoon fishing, will check back this evening. wish me luck.


please don't come back...

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:11:31 PM   
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the brown trout in walnut had no problem with water temps this whole summer.


interesting this statement was over looked.



It's oberlooked because Walnut Creek isn't an approved trout water.  PFBC does not stock stream trout in Walnut at all.

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/fishpub/summary/troutregs_nw.htm



you missed the point.

re read the whole thread.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:12:53 PM   
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I'm headed out for some afternoon fishing, will check back this evening. wish me luck.


please don't come back...



LOL

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:18:33 PM   
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LOL


i was going to tell you to die in a fire or punch someone on the res... but i thought i would just ask nicely


.... but seriously don't come back
you're an annoying troll with really no value to this board outside of arguments

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:23:06 PM   
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wow it was just a question, didnt mean to start world war 3



if you give them something to argue about, they'll do it

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:23:32 PM   
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novice
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If they didnt stock, the highly publicized steelhead destination(ERIE AKA STEELHEAD ALLEY) could'nt exist.
For a state to have a successful fishery, it must stock enough that even a novice angler has a chance of success.




I think it is now safe to say this is where your 10 year degree came from...

from your posts you had to have graduated magna cum laude.


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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:28:58 PM   
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LOL


i was going to tell you to die in a fire or punch someone on the res... but i thought i would just ask nicely


.... but seriously don't come back
you're an annoying troll with really no value to this board outside of arguments


out of line.
The reason I refuse to post on this site.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:30:23 PM   
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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:32:40 PM   
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out of line.
The reason I refuse to post on this site.


it was a... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

grow some... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicles

< Message edited by KJH807 -- 11/12/2009 1:33:05 PM >

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:33:54 PM   
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wow it was just a question, didnt mean to start world war 3


This is how things are done here. Don't feel bad...if it wasn't this thread, it'd surely be another. Just enjoy the fireworks.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:35:05 PM   
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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:36:27 PM   
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Is that Alexander Ovechkin?


No.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:36:33 PM   
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out of line.
The reason I refuse to post on this site.


Well you did just post... so.....

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it was a... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

grow some... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicles


Agreed...it is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

why can't you people take a joke....?

For all I know steelheadfillet might be a cool dude, if he can call me a novice with 18 years fishing experience at 25 years old, then we can crack on him a little too....

but don't dish it out if u cant take it...

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:46:00 PM   
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funny that "masterflyman" and "steelheadfillet" signed up the same day, with the same name



actually my Dad posts under steelheadfillet and I post under masterflyman.
think what you want.
again the reason this site has gone straight downhill since I joined.

I just dont like guys making death wishes on my dad.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 1:58:26 PM   
KJH807


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Status: online 		well... i hope you and "your dad" both don't come back
"your dad" is a nuisance and only comes here to be a pest


i didn't make a "death threat"... i asked him not to come back
then i used a joking figure of speech and also hoped that he would become incarcerated and face legal prosecution on a indian reservation
(which was a little less of a joke)
then i brought it back to being serious... and hoped he wouldn't return to the forums



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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 2:11:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: masterflyman


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ORIGINAL: KJH807

funny that "masterflyman" and "steelheadfillet" signed up the same day, with the same name



actually my Dad posts under steelheadfillet and I post under masterflyman.
think what you want.
again the reason this site has gone straight downhill since I joined.

I just dont like guys making death wishes on my dad.


why didnt he take you fishing? 

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 2:14:12 PM   
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you would see hes a good guy that has his own opinions.
I may not post but I read this board enough. dont pay that close attention to who everyone is.
I have noticed you are always involved in the trouble making on this site. I have no idea why you are still allowed to post. guess you must know someone.

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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 2:16:55 PM   
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just like those bottles of booze under my bed in highschool were "my friend's"





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RE: steelhead spawning? - 11/12/2009 2:18:05 PM   
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