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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:29:12 PM

rureadytofish

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The idea of being a sportsman or not is not my issue. The fact at hand is that you guys were going to kick his **** because he stole YOUR fish. I agree he was an **** and should not be doing what he was doing, but kicking his **** for taking your fish?? How sporting is that? Maybe get him involved? Maybe educate the walmart masses? I don't know the answer, but bottom line is why rant about something that someone was doing that was totally legal only because it affects your pocket.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:30:05 PM

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I don't think it's about his pocket.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:34:25 PM

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I was going to say the same about the Pike

. I think the trout guys get tooo much the way it is now in certian waterways. Crap, Places are closed for a month when they are prime for a ton ov real game fish & cabin blues are set in

All over some dumb stocked trout. The Pike, Muskie, Walleye, S/M, Crappie, Carp & Catfish guys get the shaft in alot of waters in March over trout that die or get ate from the real fish in 'em.

Oh yeah Loomis, I ain't got no teeth either!!! Please someone start something with me, please!!!

Crappy

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:37:39 PM

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Nothing wrong with being a purist. No one is 100% right,no one 100% wrong. We all get so little time in life to enjoy ourselves in the outdoors we have to temper ourselves to not let little things ruin our time. It is good to vent every now and then and then get back to what is REALLY impotant-time with the rod in our hands,fishing. Allways remember the fish need the luck; if we are on the water we are already lucky!

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:37:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RhnstnCowboy

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Cowboy, I would catch all your pike and throw them on shore.

I'm sure you expected some of that or you wouldn't have posted this topic on a message board with thousands of members.

Hey... it's all good. I expected it. Just don't know how I let you guys get under my skin to be quite honest. Thumbs up everyone.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:43:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: rureadytofish

The idea of being a sportsman or not is not my issue. The fact at hand is that you guys were going to kick his **** because he stole YOUR fish. I agree he was an **** and should not be doing what he was doing, but kicking his **** for taking your fish?? How sporting is that? Maybe get him involved? Maybe educate the walmart masses? I don't know the answer, but bottom line is why rant about something that someone was doing that was totally legal only because it affects your pocket.

first off, it's not my pocket, nor my trout. I'm a poor college kid brah. I just feel bad for the guys who donate the money to give EVERYONE the oppurtunity to fish for them, and some people can't respect the simple guidelines and regulations. Secondly, Loomis, not me, posted about kicking ass, and it was a total joke that him and I share personally. I think the actions of Loomis at the one-fly demonstrate he is not really that kind of guy. Get a grip and go argue with someone else, pal.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:47:22 PM

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"Please someone start something with me, please!!!"

I don't start fights, I just finish them.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:54:35 PM

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great idea spoon.. advertise the place, just like the pfbc does with all the natural reproducing streams in the state, so the secret is out, and attracts even more toolbags of this nature to the area to disrespect the regulations.

This is a lose lose situation, I understand that. I just thought I could gain a little bit of sanity with support from my fellow board members, but obviously, that wasn't happening. If you disagree with supporting and propogating wild populations, you shouldn't even consider yourself a sportsment, rather a corporate brainwashed idiot in support of the pfbc's main agenda- money money money.

But would you financially support the propagation of wild populations if you couldn't fish for them at all ?

You support this effort in this stream because it enables you to have somewhere to fish, probably year round, and catch and release trout. Not solely because you are 100 % interested in the propagation of wild populations. Then stating it's a matter of morals.
One with no interest in fishing might argue that it's not morally correct to impale these beautiful fish with hooks, and cause large amounts of stress on them only to release them so you can do it over and over again, for personal pleasure only, and not out of necessity. And may think you are the toolbag for doing so.

Get the landowners 100% support or buy your own property and you can c/r (propagate wild populations) all you want..

You can't realistically expect everyone to have the same ideas, morals or definition of what makes a sportsman as you do. I am not wanting an arguement but rather wanting to make you see others may have a different perspective than you and are completely entitled to it. Good Luck with this.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 12:58:04 PM

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I really have entirely too much to lose to do something so stupid, what started out a joke has turned into a nightmare....but, would I have something to say had I been there? Yes...who can tell what was to happen from there....

to Crappiefisher....

I only fight for competition and to get paid. If you are a cruiser weight and a serious competitor I can get you in touch with OXF Promotions in Ohio if you are serious about setting something up....my next fight has been canceled due to a venue going out of business, and I would jump at the opportunity to make some more money. In fact, ill donate the entire purse to stocking this stream.

Let me know.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:04:05 PM

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why didn't u just house him? That always seems to work....

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:05:07 PM

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even more of a reason, he wont miss any if anymore go missing.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:05:31 PM

Loomis

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ORIGINAL: crappiefisher

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why didn't u just house him? That always seems to work....

?

Fish with Jimhalupka and I to solve that riddle....

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:06:30 PM

crappiefisher

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hahaha watch them scrappy farmboys...I could see him gettin a little loose.

???

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:06:36 PM

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jimbo gotta show up first...

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:08:01 PM

crappiefisher

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ORIGINAL: rureadytofish

Have eaten them many times in my youth. And yes they are worth every bit of work. And Jim you didn't say it was a native stream, but it seems to have gotten twisted into that. It would have ****ed me off to see that guy roping fish there too, but he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Yes he was, he was keeping friends and my money on a stringer so his impoverished family didn't have to spend the extra money at wally world after 10 pm.

I'm sorry, but that deserves an **** whippin in my book, especially the second time around..

????

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:10:31 PM

Loomis

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ORIGINAL: crappiefisher

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hahaha watch them scrappy farmboys...I could see him gettin a little loose.

???

Yes. that was in reference to another board member that we know and fish with....who shares the same camaraderie and enjoys this catch and release section as much as we do....and feels the need to stand up for what is morally right from a conservationist view.

Any more questions?

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:12:05 PM

Loomis

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Yep, ladies and gentleman, one more from the peanut gallery...wow I feel like a talk show host...

The second time would probably warrant such action....this I will stand by. If you are willing to show us and everyone else such disrespect, you gotta stand up for what you believe in....

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:16:37 PM

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"Please someone start something with me, please!!!"

I don't start fights, I just finish them.

Na Mike, just lookin' for somebody to have a arument on this board for once. Been on here for afew years and could never get anyone to ever have one yet. I am due, it gets boreing watching everyone else sometimes.

Plus Boom Boom & Chavez is in my blood.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:27:05 PM

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"If you are willing to show us and everyone else such disrespect"

You have earned respect in my book, but no one is required to give it to you. And demanding repect, through threat of violence, is a sure way to lose it.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 1:46:36 PM

Loomis

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Point taken Spoon.

I am a little extreme at times, my emotion can run wild.....its just when you try to help everyone else and one person ruins it, it makes for a flared temper.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 3:11:25 PM

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Guess I should chime in a little bit, since it was me in that picture.

Here are my thoughts on the subject. First of all I can see and respect both sides of the arguement. Here is my stance on this subject(based on this stream that Jim and Loomis are talking about). A guy keeping fish there is legal, do I like it? No I do not. My issue is that since the landowners are willing to keep it open based on a few suggestions(no legal backing) and a few sportsman donate "their" own money so that I have fish to catch, those few suggestions should be followed. We have a problem in this state with posted property and private club waters. My fear is that if there is a few select individuals who simply refuse to follow the landowners suggestions, that this nice peice of water will no longer be open for "ALL" of us to enjoy. Yes maybe Loomis's emotions got a little out of hand, but reading between the lines of what he said, I agree with him. I agree with Jim onn the fact that this is simply one piece of water, there is tons of other places to go catch a fish for dinner or the freezer. I like fish just as much as the next guy and there are several streams in close distances to this stream that I go to catch a couple for the table. I do not do that at the stream being talked about simply out of "RESPECT" to the landowners and other people that make this possible!

I just hope that when the landowner finally says that enough is enough, that they still allow me to fish there! "WE" as sportsman should be doing things to protect these kinds of things instead of trying to get them to disappear. It has been stated several times that fishing easements procured by the fish commission is a good thing. Here is a landowner not asking for money, just a couple suggestions. Wow and to think there are still people out in this world who are not driven by greed.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 3:36:05 PM

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Guess I should chime in a little bit, since it was me in that picture.

??

This thread is getting kind of convoluted and hard to read- Were You the guy who harvested fish after being warned?? what connection to you have with the issue?

I def. agree we need to minimize posted lands, but if a group of people want a pristine wild trout streams, what recourse do they have if they can't get PFBC to designate it as a CR all tackle trout stream.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 3:44:17 PM

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quote:

??

This thread is getting kind of convoluted and hard to read- Were You the guy who harvested fish after being warned?? what connection to you have with the issue?

I def. agree we need to minimize posted lands, but if a group of people want a pristine wild trout streams, what recourse do they have if they can't get PFBC to designate it as a CR all tackle trout stream.

I though you were above the fray, everything worth saying had already been said, and you weren't going to respond anymore.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 4:04:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: RhnstnCowboy

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??

This thread is getting kind of convoluted and hard to read- Were You the guy who harvested fish after being warned?? what connection to you have with the issue?

I def. agree we need to minimize posted lands, but if a group of people want a pristine wild trout streams, what recourse do they have if they can't get PFBC to designate it as a CR all tackle trout stream.

I though you were above the fray, everything worth saying had already been said, and you weren't going to respond anymore.

ME above the fray... thats the funniest thing said yet on the thread.

In this case, I just plain got confused by all the ???
and ??? and ????

I got it, norm is the angler on the photo on page 1. You missed a post, spoon brought up an interesting point. I'm not quite sure why loomis is apologizing, either.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 4:05:57 PM

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because some people might be from Appalachia and shop at Wal-Mart that read this...They could have bought dial-up at Wal-Mart that reaches the Highlands, after all, it is 2009.

But in all honesty and jokes aside, this was a good argument....those who agreed with me that I know in real life are stand up people, and anyone with a smart mouth will of course challenge a sentiment like this, and get into the technicalities, but I refuse to believe they can be so simple as to actually believe that keeping trout on a stream like this particular one is morally right.....nothing wrong with a debate every now and again.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 5:23:33 PM

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It's the respect issue, not the smarts issue........I too by normal societal standards am highly educated, I wont get into a list of the degrees and academic achievements I have under my belt, because without respect you are as dumb as anyone who struggled to get a GED. You can be smart and disrespectful, which makes anyone look stupid...this dude was told once about the way things are supposed to be here, if he was smart enough to realize he was doing a bad thing, he would come back and practice catch and release...but he didn't, so whats the next step?

Loomis, you sure manage to hide the fact that you are well educated,
with your derogatory remarks about the "lower" classes, e. g.
Walmart shoppers, etc. Just sayin'

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 7:05:20 PM

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OMG SOMEONE CAUGHT YOUR PRIVATE TROUTS!!!111! YOU SHOULD MAKE ALL PROPERTY IN THE WORLD PRIVATE SO THAT ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO STOCK STREAMS CAN FISH THEM CATCH AND RELEASE!

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 7:27:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Loomis

because some people might be from Appalachia and shop at Wal-Mart that read this...They could have bought dial-up at Wal-Mart that reaches the Highlands, after all, it is 2009.

But in all honesty and jokes aside, this was a good argument....those who agreed with me that I know in real life are stand up people, and anyone with a smart mouth will of course challenge a sentiment like this, and get into the technicalities, but I refuse to believe they can be so simple as to actually believe that keeping trout on a stream like this particular one is morally right.....nothing wrong with a debate every now and again.

Once again Loomis it's not morally right because you say so. You just showed another side of yourself quite different to the one that everyone praised you for at the One Fy with all your derogatory comments towards this guy and others in general. If you weren't allowed to fish there you wouldn't give two sh@ts about those land owners or the stream. And you wouldn't contribute to their stockings either, it's all self serving B.S.

Time to tap out ....

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 9:17:34 PM

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Hey washdog! It's not just Loomis who is allowed to fish that stream.

IT'S OPEN TO EVERYONE!!!

Come on people. What is so hard to understand that certain individuals want to keep it that way. I fish that stream on an average of two times a week. I would be pretty angered if the actions of a few individuals would cause this stream to be closed to all that have fished it, do fish it or plan to in the future!

Not 100% sure about the morals thing, but if I am on a stream, I would respect the land owners wishes. That way it enables yourself, me and everyone else the privelege of enjoying that stream and what it has to offer.

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RE: A vent, has it happened to you? - 11/6/2009 9:18:43 PM

norm289

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ORIGINAL: young

OMG SOMEONE CAUGHT YOUR PRIVATE TROUTS!!!111! YOU SHOULD MAKE ALL PROPERTY IN THE WORLD PRIVATE SO THAT ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO STOCK STREAMS CAN FISH THEM CATCH AND RELEASE!

Just a question. If all the property became private, where the heck would you fish???????????????????

Again! This is private property that the landowner keeps open to all! We would like it to stay that way!

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