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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 3:22:14 PM   
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When I was in college, the GLBT Organization at my school would scrawl, in sidealk chalk, obscene and sexually-graphic writing and illustrations all over every sidewalk and building on campus, the night before parent's weekend. I was embarrassed for my parents and grandparents that they had to read this low-class deviant smut, but the President pandered to the GLBT, like all good Marxists do, and he said it was protected as free speeech.

Conversely, my college was founded by the Baptist church, but no longer has any affiliation with the church. When I was a freshman and sophomore, two church members from town would stand silently on the academic quad and hand out bibles on the first day of class each semester. They only handed them to people who requested one. My junior year, many of the Marxist organizations on my campus petitioned the President and had him remove the church members from campus.

A wall at the entrance to our campus bore an inscription from the college's founding in the 1830's that said "A Christian college of liberal arts." At the behest of the campus Marxists, it was sandblasted off when I was a junior.

I'm willing to bet that the guy wearing the button doesn't even know the origins of the "pledge."


Was this college totally privately funded.
If so the administrator was a jackwad.
I on the other hand it took ANY public funds there should have either no religious presence or at least the right for devil worshippers, atheists or anyone else to be there also.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 3:31:20 PM   
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It sucks but thats the policy!

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 3:34:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Congress has made no law infringing on anyones rights in this case.
A privately owned company has set up a policy that employees must follow to work for this privately owned company.

He can where the button wherever he wants on his own time."

-that sums it up.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 3:39:31 PM   
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devil worshippers, atheists or anyone else to be there also.


If "devil worshippers, atheists or anyone else" would have been on campus, no one would have said anything. In fact, they were there every day in the form of professors, administrators and morons whose moron-parents paid for them to go there... This is a wholly different issue and we are getting off topic. I related this story to show that some people are more equal than others...

There are no "totally privately funded" colleges anymore. If your school accepts students who have any grants, loans, etc., then it functions as a public school. I believe there are three accredited colleges in the country that do not accept students with grants, loans, etc.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 4:42:10 PM   
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devil worshippers, atheists or anyone else to be there also.


If "devil worshippers, atheists or anyone else" would have been on campus, no one would have said anything. In fact, they were there every day in the form of professors, administrators and morons whose moron-parents paid for them to go there... This is a wholly different issue and we are getting off topic. I related this story to show that some people are more equal than others...

There are no "totally privately funded" colleges anymore. If your school accepts students who have any grants, loans, etc., then it functions as a public school. I believe there are three accredited colleges in the country that do not accept students with grants, loans, etc.


Offer some proof of those Profs or admins, not what you perceived them as being from  viewing them through the prism of your  belief system or I have to call BS.
I know it is a rarity for schools not to take government handouts.
That is why I asked  the question. Take the peoples  money and you have to follow some rules.
While I also believe there are those treated more equal than others I think if someone complained to HD about a rainbow pin action may have been taken. I have every bit as much proof they would as you have shown  that they wouldn't. Especially now after this has gone down setting a hard precedent of there enforcing their rules when others have broken them. In that I think this makes this incident almost a good thing.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 5:05:06 PM   
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Would you support a privately-owned, black-owned business who had a policy of only hiring blacks because its customers preferred black sales reps over white ones?

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 7:37:30 PM   
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Waderboy,

Would you support a privately-owned, black-owned business who had a policy of only hiring blacks because its customers preferred black sales reps over white ones?


NO and I believe that would be unconstitutional.
But if they told all employees they could wear only buttons touting equal rights and an employee came to work with a KKK button I would think they had good cause to fire him. Wouldn't you?

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 7:40:16 PM   
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Who you callin' rightie? 

What makes you think I believe you're a rightie?

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 7:56:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		in one way i say there right no pins other than xx or xx or xx now this has to be in reason i mean hate pins hats are no place to hang out your belive at work but i seen nothing offensive unless i had no religion and there are people who have none so i think a day off or two and end that but to can him a litte harsh

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 8:06:38 PM   
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Just like your kids, when there are no rules anarchy reigns (no offense Mountain Man).


No more anarchy ...My current GF is keeping me in line.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 10:04:19 PM   
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NO and I believe that would be unconstitutional.


That's because you're wrong.

If the dollar prefers black employees, you please the dollar and hire em. To do anything else would be to shoot your business in the foot.

You're saying that they should hire whites and asians...just because? Sounds like affirmative action in reverse...

Add to that thought the comment that I think all this talk about the constitution is laughable at best and utter garbage that cheapens the document and its authors at worst.

The constitution was not written to give you the right to be an arrogant ass that defies dress code policies at your place of employment. Give it up already.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 10:07:45 PM   
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@leadmen: He was warned about it and refused to comply. He knew the consequences and deliberately continued to violate company policy. This wouldn't have even made the news except that fox wants to paint it as anti-christian to boost their ratings.

@MM: You mean like with whips & chains?

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/28/2009 10:26:08 PM   
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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 4:22:10 AM   
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NO and I believe that would be unconstitutional.


That's because you're wrong.

If the dollar prefers black employees, you please the dollar and hire em. To do anything else would be to shoot your business in the foot.

You're saying that they should hire whites and asians...just because? Sounds like affirmative action in reverse...

Add to that thought the comment that I think all this talk about the constitution is laughable at best and utter garbage that cheapens the document and its authors at worst.

The constitution was not written to give you the right to be an arrogant ass that defies dress code policies at your place of employment. Give it up already.


The 14th amendment ends saying  that no state shall deny ANY person within its jurisdiction the EQUAL protection of laws.
Since we have anti discrimination laws it appears to me it would be unconstitutional to  NOT hire anyone based on anything other than ability.
Not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying that when it does there must be some reason other than color of skin given as to why someone wasn't hired.
That is why humans invented lying.



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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 7:05:12 AM   
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it appears to me it would be unconstitutional to NOT hire anyone based on anything other than ability


I love it when people read an entire post AND comprehend it:

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hiring blacks because its customers preferred black sales reps over white ones


Like I said...if that's what the dollar wants, that's what you give it.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 8:36:49 AM   
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I would agree with your answer, but not the reason behind it. To say "thats what the dollar wants" is to cheapen the principle behind businesses having the right to hire and fire whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. The dollar wants kidneys, hearts, and livers cut out of Chinese peasants, that doesn't mean "thats what you give it," although many libertarians might make that argument...



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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 8:46:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		he kept it pushed the envelop aaaa he got it now hes got fame wooo
hes specal sounds like another @shhole sorry i felt sorry for him at first little jonny dont put your hand near the fire ok i will not as the medstar pulls up to take care of the burnes but mommy said nothing lol

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 9:21:11 AM   
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Cold,

I would agree with your answer, but not the reason behind it. To say "thats what the dollar wants" is to cheapen the principle behind businesses having the right to hire and fire whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. The dollar wants kidneys, hearts, and livers cut out of Chinese peasants, that doesn't mean "thats what you give it," although many libertarians might make that argument...




Haha, fair enough man. And I definitely see where youre coming from too, you just managed to include an even-more-justifiable reason in your situation (the clients' preference), so it helped make the point. I completely agree with you. If they make a preferential decision even at the expense of their own profits, that's certainly okay too...just makes less business sense.

And I'd stay away from those imported chinese organs...they've got lead in the packaging.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 10:02:20 AM   
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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 10:50:07 AM   
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Who you callin' rightie? 

What makes you think I believe you're a rightie?




Where's your proof that you don't think I'm a rightie? Just because you say it doesn't make it so, I want documentation!! 

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 11:22:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dont tell him anything, bulldog! The constitution says that you dont have to tell anyone your political opinions!

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 12:49:41 PM   
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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:16:18 PM   
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it appears to me it would be unconstitutional to NOT hire anyone based on anything other than ability


I love it when people read an entire post AND comprehend it:

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hiring blacks because its customers preferred black sales reps over white ones


Like I said...if that's what the dollar wants, that's what you give it.

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:20:17 PM   
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Just razzin' him Cold, stealing his MO.


Of course! That is your constitutional right to do so!

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:24:30 PM   
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it appears to me it would be unconstitutional to NOT hire anyone based on anything other than ability


I love it when people read an entire post AND comprehend it:

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hiring blacks because its customers preferred black sales reps over white ones


Like I said...if that's what the dollar wants, that's what you give it.


Cold are there federal anti discrimination in hiring laws in this country?
Do they say you can not discriminate on reasons of gender, race or age?
It doesn't matter what the dollar wants. It is illegal to discriminate in hiring based on race.
You can have quotas for salespeople and if for WHATEVER reason a salesperson does not meet those goals he may be let go.

I admit to not being able to comprehend idiocy.


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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:31:44 PM   
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Cold,

I would agree with your answer, but not the reason behind it. To say "thats what the dollar wants" is to cheapen the principle behind businesses having the right to hire and fire whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. The dollar wants kidneys, hearts, and livers cut out of Chinese peasants, that doesn't mean "thats what you give it," although many libertarians might make that argument...




Business does not have the right to hire or fire whoever they want.
Where is that RIGHT in the constitution?
There are anti discrimination laws in this country and they are guaranteed by the 14th amendment to the constitution.



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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:33:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it still discrimination if a black sales rep outsells a white counterpart 2 to 1? If your customer base shows a preference for a certain trait in your staff and you hire staff to suit that, it isn't discrimation, big guy.

When was the last time a 300lb 56 year old woman danced at Blush?

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:46:58 PM   
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She was later seen puking on a park bench!!

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:47:54 PM   
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"When was the last time a 300lb 56 year old woman danced at Blush?"

She was later seen puking on a park bench!!


yes

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RE: FIRED FROM HOME DEPOT - YOU DECIDE! - 10/29/2009 1:53:18 PM   
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Business does not have the right to hire or fire whoever they want.
Where is that RIGHT in the constitution?
There are anti discrimination laws in this country and they are guaranteed by the 14th amendment to the constitution.



I never said they currently did, based on "law." I said they should, based on rights.

The reality of what is and is not "legal" changes on a whim when there is no fixed Constitution or historical documents come up for modern "interpretation" or are seen as "living documents." The present power determines the legality of the action. The Constitution is now just a quaint notion.

I'm more concerned with liberty and what is right and just, not what a God-less heathen lawyer from the ACLU tells me is legal and acceptable. What you think about the way things should be says more about you as a person than parsing legalities looking for a loophole or different interpretation of what is written. Any decent lawyer can make a single statement mean 20 different things, all of them contradictory... 99% of what the Federal government does today is unconstitutional. However, based on the force of tyrants, all undertanding of this has been erased.

If the Sons of Italy are looking for a new national director, should they be able to limit their search to individuals with Italian heritage? If the Christian Coalition is hiring someone, should they be allowed to exclude homosexuals from their pool of candidates because it violates their religious beliefs?

By the way, every ammendment after XII is fraudulent. They were obtained through violent conquest and are null and void.




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