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Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 10:19:54 AM

cdcaddis

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Hello to all of the centerpin experts on this forum! I'm a fly fisher who has used conventional fly rods and reels for about fifty years. However even I, who is pretty old and stuck in his ways, can see that one can get a fantastic drift with the centerpin technique. Now the question;

I have a Cabela's 12' "Match Rod" I bought about fifteen years ago to try on the Salmon river with a conventional spin reel. I never used it but the rod looks like it would make a passable pinning rod. As I said it is 12' long, takes 4# - 8" line, has small but high framed spin guides, and a very long cork grip with just two sliding rings that can be positioned anywhere on the rod. I would only be CP'ing on the Cat, Salmon River, and maybe Elk Creek.

Since I don't know if I will really like CP'ing and don't want to spend $150 - $200 for a reel I may never use very much I was wondering if I could just use one of my Hardy Princess fly reels and remove the clicker pawl so it is always in free spool? The Princess is 3 1/2" in diameter and has a spool width of about 5/8". The spool spins very freely without the clicker pawl - probably could/would overrun if I'm not careful.

It would easily hold my normal 20# Cortland dacron backing and 150 yards of 8# flourocarbon. So what do you think - could I get by with this rig to get the essence of pinning to see if I liked it? Thanks in advance.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 10:32:22 AM

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Don't use floro as a main line...It'll sink making drifts very difficult. Go with XL or Ironsilk with a floro leader.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 10:37:19 AM

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Trout About -

Ok, thanks for the info about the line choice but what do you think about my overall idea? Is it a lamebrained scheme or will it work well enough to let me experience long, drag free drifts?

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 10:53:53 AM

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i think it is worth trying!!!

GO FOR IT

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 11:16:04 AM

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Most of the better centerpin reels are machined and put together by hand. They are precision instruments and although you may get a free spool effect from taking the clicker out of your fly reel, you really are not going to get the feel for the ability of a true centerpin in means of startup and presentation. By all means try it to see if you like the line mending, float trotting aspect of the technique but dont base your opinion of centerpinning solely on using a modified fly reel. I can assure you it will not be the same.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 11:21:33 AM

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Hello 18,

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll first just take my bass boat out to the Susquehanna with this rig and see how it works. If it is clumsy to use I'll just order one of the Okuma reels for $150 and at least then have a rig that will be more appropriate. I could always sell it on Ebay if I find it isn't a technique I care to continue employing.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 11:29:47 AM

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Like 18 said, it won't be the same, but it may work good enough to give you a feel for it to see if it's worth investing in.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 11:50:59 AM

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I've got two setups if you want to try mine I'll meet up with you and you can try one of mine.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 1:35:13 PM

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As far as your rod is concerned, I'm sure it would be fine. On the bigger water it may be a little short, but just shorten your drifts. As far as the reel, It may work on Elk, but on the bigger water a 3.5 will spin like crazy. Just make sure the reel has great startup. Sounds to me like you have a good interst. Therefore I would suggest you try someone elses setup. You may get discouraged if yours doesn't perform properly. Trust me, the learning curve is tough even with good equipment.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 2:19:10 PM

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Don't know about the fly reel part but for one spring on elk creek i used a gander 12 ft. 6 in. crappie rod with a pin. Although it had casting rod sized eyes on the rod it worked fine. It wasn't even the better crappie rod but one of their $29.99 ones. I didn't catch any really large steelies that spring but on the ones i did hook at no time did i feel over matched with that rod.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 3:34:48 PM

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When I first started, I used my pin for 2 years just on my noodle rod. As a matter of fact, sometimes I still used that combo in Erie. Drifts are short and you don't need much rod. I use it in central PA all the time on an 8' ultrlight. Makes a great small stream setup.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 4:17:56 PM

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ruready,

"but on the bigger water a 3.5 will spin like crazy." The Hardy Princess fly reel is one of the finer fly reels available. Some consider it "old school" as it is just a click and pawl drag. I've caught literally thousands of trout on the one I'm thinking of using. I took the pawl out and I can see it will overrun very easily. I'll try it on a local river soon to see if it is feasible. I used to use it on the Salmon River with a Slinky weight, a swivel, and a nymph or egg fly and just stripped off as much line as I wanted for the cast and brought the rod behind me and flipped it kind of overhand on the forward cast. The weight of the Slinky and the momentum easily pulled out my 15# mono running line.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 4:32:38 PM

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If it spins well and has good startup, then it will probably work fine. Have at it and let us know how it works. If you have problems try a baitcasting reel on that rod. That will give you a good drift. I have a few friends that do that.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 5:25:25 PM

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ruready,

Would a closed face spin reel work? Just depress the thumb button and whip it out into the flow and keep the button depressed until I want to end the drift?

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 9/9/2009 6:16:17 PM

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Not smooth enough and line comes out in coils. Might as well use a spinning reel.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 10/11/2009 10:23:39 AM

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cdcaddis,
I've used a one piece Barbie rod/reel to float drift and caught fish. The only problem was they don't hold enough line for a long drift. It's all about getting the right bait to drift thru where the fish are at the right speed and depth! If you know what a BulletBobber is and how to use one you can also use lures i.e. spinners, spoons, etc... or you can use them to get your bait where you want to drift the lane you want even with a short rod. Having a good centerpin and floatrod will definitely help but if the float drifts close to or at the same speed as the current your float fishing effectively.

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RE: Alternative to centerpin reel - 10/12/2009 9:29:24 AM

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Its worth a try for sure, but what I'd do first is have someone with some pinning experience try the new set up to give you a more definite indication of whether or not the set-up will suffice as a pinning outfit. I kinda have my doubts and feel you will encounter too much drag, especially in slower moving water; or you'd see more people walking around the streams doing it....however, you never know unless you try. Good Luck

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