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Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 2:39:11 PM   
joebaker79

 

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Status: offline 		Is there any fish tagging studies currently happening for Erie Steelhead?  In 10 years have never caught or seen any fish caught with tags on them.  Back in the spring I caught a Delaware River striped bass that was tagged.  I made contact with the tagging group, gave all information, and they contacted me today to let me know the same fish was just caught off of Avalon, NJ, just outside the Delaware Bay.  This would provide a wealth of information for steelhead besides the obvious that they go to the lake and back to the creeks. 

If there is not any tagging currently being done would it be legal or would the state allow maybe the same group that does the striper tagging to do it for steelhead?  Currently you can join their group and purchase 10 tags for $35. 

Obviously a wealth of research has already been done on these fish.....just wondering if there is any we can get involved in currently. 
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 2:46:54 PM   
Cold


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-Tagged fish released, Elk Creek Access, 10/25/09

-Tagged fish smoked, Poor Richard's, 10/26/09

Neat idea, though.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 3:03:15 PM   
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Status: online 		Along with all the other jewlery they'd have in them.. what's another tag.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 3:23:57 PM   
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Status: online 		I think tagging studies for naturally occurring species is a great effort (stripers in the salt, sharks, even walleyes in Erie) but, I personally would think it would be a less than ideal use of resources for a non-native species stocked specifically for recreational enjoyment.  I'd rather that money be put to use for more stockings of smolt or hatchery upgrades or, upgrades to PA launch facilities.  Again, just my opinion.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 3:39:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think it would be a huge cost to do a tagging study.  Groups already do this.  The people who do the striper one (at least for the fish I caught) rely on angler participation.  Anglers pay for the tags, contact them to provide all info on tagged fish, and they contact back.  I think it would be nice to see growth information, where fish roam to, info for fish caught multiple times throughout season; to show stream movements, etc.  Would also show information about returning fish. 

I'd like even more to look at data if something like this was done before more than start one and wait a few years for results. 

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 3:45:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe they will just add it to our already outrageous license cost to fund tagging fish for stealheaders....Since we already pay for them to stock them...Why not tag them too...Even if you don't fish for them...what a great idea....I would agree if it was 100% angler participation, but that would be the only way.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 3:48:50 PM   
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Status: online 		What would we gain by this tagging? Seeing how some fish are stocked in Elk and return to Elk, some are stocked there and go to Ohio and even NY. Some run one year and actually make it past the snaggers and run again. Where would the funds come from to support this type of project that would bring us this extensive data. PR could use all the tags and melt them down to make a Steelhead trophy er sumpin. Just wondering what we could gain by tagging fish that are there as part of a put and take fishery for steelhead.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 3:50:02 PM   
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Status: online 		How would it work then....hypothetically speaking, would they only make a certain percentage of tags available of fish stocked, then make tagged fish catch and release only. I'd assume it would have to be a very low percentage number also. Since I'd bet almost every fish that enters the streams may be caught at one point in time or another. If you tag a bunch of fish and the first year they come into the streams, if someone keeps that fish it kind of defeats the prupose right? Maybe not... Or maybe tag smolts....

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 4:00:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pxatim
Or maybe tag smolts....


They don't tag them, but they do clip their fins so you can tell that they were stocked....

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 4:14:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BIGSLICK

quote:

ORIGINAL: pxatim
Or maybe tag smolts....


They don't tag them, but they do clip their fins so you can tell that they were stocked....


PA clips fins? Thats news to me. Alot of ground bottom fins from being raised in the raceways but I believe they don't clip no fins in PA.

How did you do Sat night? Saw you pulling the boat out as I was doing the same we were out perchin 3 tickets in 47.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 4:22:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kingnuke32

PA clips fins? Thats news to me. Alot of ground bottom fins from being raised in the raceways but I believe they don't clip no fins in PA.

How did you do Sat night? Saw you pulling the boat out as I was doing the same we were out perchin 3 tickets in 47.


All the steelhead that I catch have a clipped front fin......Pa also clips Brownies that they stock as well...

We were in 45...could only muster a little more than 1 ticket.....It was rough out there!!!  Met Joe Dirt Sat Night as I was pulling my boat out...He had about the same as we did....

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 4:25:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz

I think tagging studies for naturally occurring species is a great effort (stripers in the salt, sharks, even walleyes in Erie) but, I personally would think it would be a less than ideal use of resources for a non-native species stocked specifically for recreational enjoyment.  I'd rather that money be put to use for more stockings of smolt or hatchery upgrades or, upgrades to PA launch facilities.  Again, just my opinion.


What he said.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 4:30:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Christ on a pony.  People get ****ed about steelhead.  Reread what I posted.  I asked about any groups ever doing this or if the state has or would allow anyone to do this.  Never mentioned any stated funded mass program.  Never intended to.  I even asked if one had already been done...therefore no need for another one.  Please comprehend what I actually posted.  Since money was brought up as a license payer whether I fished steelhead or not I'd want to know a little more about my investment. 

Plus, and I know that many here are perpetually on their rags and can't possible comprehend this next idea....it could actually be fun or interesting.  Holy s--! 





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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 4:42:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm calling b.s. until you post a pic of the striper.  Any size to it?  Do you fish north or south of Phila?

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 4:52:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lol, Joebaker must not have realized that he went walking into a wild african park with porkchops strapped to his butt.

These dogs on here bite man, no matter what the bait is. 

if you want a real coversation, head to the NW or SW boards.  This is the TMZ board nowadays. 

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 5:31:10 PM   
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 5:34:43 PM   
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 7:10:31 PM   
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 7:17:56 PM   
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 8:50:11 PM   
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 8:54:31 PM   
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I'm calling b.s. until you post a pic of the striper.  Any size to it?  Do you fish north or south of Phila?



Why would the striper be b.s. PT? I fish south of Philly until mid May, then it's pretty much done for big fish and big numbers. I only make it out a couple times a season but have friends who fish the Delaware every other day for late winter/early spring ocean stripers. Mid march thru early may can produce 60-80 fish days for 2 guys. The tagged fish was only a 25" fish caught mid April. The fish was caught a few days ago off of Avalon, NJ. That's not even a huge hawl. Fish came upriver, went back to the ocean. What is hard to believe? I can post you quite a few pics of stripers and give you the contact info of the tagging group if you like.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 9:10:29 PM   
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Pa. does NOT ( at least prior to 2008 ), fin clip.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 9:22:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spoonchucker

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/pages/qa/fish/tagging.htm

Pa. does NOT ( at least prior to 2008 ), fin clip.


Please do not bring facts onto this discussion board.

Thanks I could not find that info for the life of me.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 9:49:56 PM   
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http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/pages/qa/fish/tagging.htm

Pa. does NOT ( at least prior to 2008 ), fin clip.


Hmmm...than why does one fin look a lot different than the others?  If it's not clipping than what is it?

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 9:59:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some other states have clipped fins in the past, I found this info. on another site that said Ontario clipped left pectoral fins of fish stocked in 2006.  We caught lots of fish in PA last fall with left pec fin clips.

I don't believe any of the missing fins on steelhead are from being rubbed off in the hatchery raceways. I don't THINK they are in there long enough for that to happen like it does with the adults that are stocked. I know I've never caught a smolt that had the fins tore up/rubbed off, or clipped for that matter in PA.


The info. from another site;            http://www.sydenhamsportsmen.com/members/index.html  

Rainbow Trout
All jurisdictions stocked rainbow trout in 2006. Nearly all (99.8%) rainbow trout stocked in Lake Erie originated from naturalized Great Lakes strains. A naturalized Lake Erie strain comprised approximately 58% of the strain composition, followed by a Lake Michigan, Little Manistee River strain at 27%. Two Lake Ontario strains were stocked: New York’s Chambers Creek at 12% and Ontario’s Ganaraska River strain at 2% of all steelhead stocked in 2006. About 0.2% of the stocked rainbow trout were of domestic hatchery broodstock origin. Only the wild-origin steelhead stocked by Ontario received fin clips in 2006. They received left pectoral fin clips prior to release. No other agencies stocked any fin-clipped steelhead in 2006.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 9:59:53 PM   
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 10:05:07 PM   
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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 10:11:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I stand corrected...I thought they were clipped...

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 11:45:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of tags! I took my neighbor kid fishing around the Mountain area about 12yrs. ago and he caught a Walleye with a tag from Dunkirk N.Y. I contacted them and they were very appreciative.

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RE: Fish Tagging - 7/6/2009 11:52:13 PM   
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