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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/17/2009 9:28:43 AM

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Erie gets the same overflow after heavy rains that the river gets. Used to be pretty bad, too. I remember back in the day when you'd get TP and other debris fouling your line from the overflow and it was much more a pain in the arse than the fleas. The floaters are not what worries me, it is all the other stuff you can't see (chemicals, heavy metals) and just about every body of water in the NE has that problem, to some extent. Cooking the fish completely will kill any of the bacteria you would "possibly" pick up from the sewage, as long as you can look past the fact you are eating ####!

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/17/2009 11:25:41 PM

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Thats nasty! LOL I just can't justify eating CRAP, I think I'd rather eat CARP! I promise to always throw back the fish I catch from the rivers. And god bless you people that eat them. LOL! Every one has there own opinion you have mine.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/18/2009 4:38:01 AM

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guess what? ive seen "them" the elsuive allegheny white fish in french creek, noted to be one of the cleanest waters in pa. that kind of stuff goes on everywhere. has little to do with the fish. yea it discusts me but whatd ya gonna do? theres a fish consumption warning on walleye in erie (one meal per month)where a lot of people go to fish for them for food. some of those eyes end up at places like wholeys in the strip. but there hasnt been any advisories on any of the rivers for walleye? at least that i know of. so why not? you clean them on the outside but you cant clean whats in the fish such as pcp or mercury. im not a big fish eater but i mostly only eat fish that i catch myself. i would never eat fish from giant eagle. just a tip i happen to deliver fish to them everyday and know what goes on with there seafood. lol.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/18/2009 7:17:38 AM

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Didn't check this year, but I'm 90% sure there are adviseries listed for all the different sections of the rivers.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/18/2009 7:57:33 AM

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http://www.fish.state.pa.us/fishpub/summary/sumconsumption.pdf

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/18/2009 8:07:03 AM

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I have never eaten a fish from the lower Allegheny nor French Creek, however I have fished both fairly regular. AlcoSan, who handles the sewage for Allegheny County and surronding areas, recommends not to even come into contact with the river water at all after a heavey rain. Now these fish have been in water during and after every heavy rain. I'm not a biologist, (but there are some on here who are who could enlighten us) I would gues that the fish absorb some level of these contaminants into their system. Sure proper cooking will probably make them safe for cosumption, but I wouldn't eat them. As far as French Creek, it appears cleaner, and is certainly less poluted than the lower Allegheny, but as mentioned above, people litter everywhere. Just my 2, sorry for the long post.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/18/2009 10:49:50 AM

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http://www.fish.state.pa.us/fishpub/summary/sumconsumption.pdf

Only carp and catfish advisories in the section of Allegheny in question.

I would imagine with how many registered fishermen in the area that fish the rivers, the state is going to provide as accurate information as their testing provides. I do not think they would leave off information regarding public safety. Population density and the amount of law offices in the area, would likely make me add more "borderline" fish if I worked in the PFBC consumption advisory office.

Although, I avoid fishing the rivers for at least 2-3 days after a heavy rain. And knowing that fish swim around in that water, they are likely going to get some sort of bacteria or viral contamination at times. These are only bad for your, if you undercook the fish. I'm not willing to take that chance myself. I have eaten a few fish from the rivers in the past, and have never gotten sick. I have noticed that most fishe take on the flavor of the water they come from, which has further kept me from keeping any river fish. If you are safe about preperation and cooking, and don't mind a bit of a river taste to them.

I'd be willing to bet a paycheck they are as safe or safer than Lake Erie walleye. The rivers do get flushed out constantly. The Allegheny is north of most of the metro area's population (waste outflow), and up river of most of the old industry. Compare that to a lake with a relatively slow flushing, and 3 major metro areas (including Detroit, but not the other G. Lake's cities that dump hazards into), 20+ smaller metro areas, 100+ towns, that have sewage overflows that all flow in the direction of the lake. Not to mention all of the industrial contaminents. It's a much bigger body of water, and seems much cleaner, but those contaminents work their way up the food chain.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/18/2009 10:06:37 PM

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You are exactly right porktown.

The problem with heavy rains and sewage is bacteria related. That doesn't affect the quality of the fish. The issue would be the toxins that can be absorbed, like Mercury (from coal power plants) and PCBs. PCBs are fat soluble and cooking them well will get rid of most of it. Mercury is in the muscle and cannot be removed by cooking or cleaning.

I believe that their consumption advisories are accurate and based on fish they pull from those areas and test them. HOWEVER, fish roam alot and change pools, so I would base my consumption on the highest advisory level on the river for that fish. Check for the most harsh walleye advisory and go by that and you will just fine.

Crap may float in the water, but it doesnt get processed and deposited into their flesh...... Fish swim in their crap for their entire life, how much worse could a few extra 'floaters' be from humans?

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/20/2009 11:53:26 AM

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I hear Jaques Cousteau would never eat seafood.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 7:26:27 AM

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I maintain my stance - we do NOT need any more fisherman at HPD - period. I won't even take friends there - there is only so much fishing space. That is MY TWO CENTS and last I saw, opinions are still free. So for all of you who climbed all over me, go take a MIDOL and eat some chocolate, lay down with a cold compress and your anger will pass.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 7:47:42 AM

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Guess I need to start fishing Highland Park again. Anyone wanna join me???????

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 8:27:20 AM

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Didn't catch that ! Don't fish up there much and generally eat meat. I think , however, that it's unsettling that there are advisory upstream. I would feel more comfortable if the advisories were down stream. Just me !!!

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 9:53:58 AM

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Gizmos,

I agree. I have tried to figure out how a contaminant could be present in one pool and garner a warning, but not in the pool below it. I think that Mercury and PCBs are heavy enough that they must stay in the sediment of the river and not transer pools much. Why they wouldnt get washed down with heavy rain is beyond me, but that is a question for the PFBC or the USGS.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 10:11:36 AM

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quote:

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I have tried to figure out how a contaminant could be present in one pool and garner a warning, but not in the pool below it.

Increases in water volume (from tributaries) of the river dilluting the contaminants?

Just a guess.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 10:17:18 AM

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hmmm, good point

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 12:45:45 PM

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I'm glad to get togather a few guys or say quite a few guys to do some fishing at highland park. I think it is pretty ignorant that you don't want to have other fishermen there. That hole has been a favorite for many people for many years. It's no secret! I can say FOR SURE that the walleye, sauger, catfish, carp, bass, white bass, sheephead bite is very good there! During the day or night the fishing is good. Jigs seem to work best for me down there for walleye and sauger. Most of the time you don't need to tip them with minnows or worms. The water is shallow where the current flows down river. The nice hole is where the water flkows backwards. If you take a selection of weights ranging from 3/4 ounce to 3 ounces and carp or catfish bait you can bottom fish and get some real big fish there. A bobber and shiners or minnows work well off the rocks for bass, rock bass and white bass. I've fished there for a better part of my life and there was always room for other fishermen,. If you haven't fished there you should start. The fishing really is about the best on the Allegheny river. Thats the TRUTH!

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 1:14:37 PM

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Totally agree with big fathead. Back on subject, i took a trip down to HPD last night and water was high, smelly and had lots of snags. better off waiting a few days before trying. Did fish my other spot and had a ton of huuuuge hits on 6" creek chub but could not manage to hook em. Im gettin flathead fever.

oh and by the way...to the person who stole my minnow trap by the mcdonalds on rt. 8 near etna, and left a 2-liter pop bottle minnow trap in its place...THANKS YOU F*&%%#G A*&$#%E!!!

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 2:16:11 PM

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Sorry to hear of your mishap Snag_826. But the world is changing and the mentality of so-called Sportsmen is also.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 10:58:17 PM

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very true. Lesson learned, ive since got a huge chain and padlock for my new one and will be spending more time finding deeper, more discreet holes to drop it in. Whats your favorite way to rig these creek chub for cats?! Also im pretty sure a majority of our smaller bumps last night were snappers. any idea on how to keep these things from destroying our bait?

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/22/2009 11:17:58 PM

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Re you sure high water didn't take your trap? I had that happen in girty's run before. It kinda sucks when that happens. People are plain ignorant. A trap cost 6-7 dollars why not buy one and set it yourself? Why steal some other guys? It sucks when you go to empty a trap and it's gone or someone else already emptied it. I set mine where there hard to get too (most thieves are lazy). I set 5 or 6 at one time so I'm sure to have bait. Have you ever tried frozen shrimp for bait? My uncle used to use that all the time at highland park and it worked great for big cats.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/23/2009 3:23:20 AM

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I wondered the same thing and thought maybe the current ripped my trap away from its anchoring, but it was the fact that they left, in its place, a crudely made minnow trap from a 2 liter pepsi bottle, full of bread, that gave it away. It was a blatent slap to the face. i have also tried shrimp and it worked great for the under 20 inch catfish. I have found that bacon works even better and stays on the hook longer. Live bait has always produced more fish (for me anyways) than any other at hpd and other spots. That and raps or minnow tipped jigs. but now that im using larger bait (6 inch creek chub and other similar sized fish) i find it harder to keep the bait on the bottom without snags and without having the snappers destroy what is on the other end of my line.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/23/2009 10:54:52 AM

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Are you rigging so the bait is on the bottom? Maybe try a small float to keep the bait up 16-18 inches. That may help eliminate some of the snags. You probably will hook into some nice eyes using a floating. We use a three way swivel and hang the weight on about 18 inches oof line. We use heavy line on the reel to the 3 way and a couple pounds lighter on the weight, the lighter flourocarbon for the leader material. It may be worth a try if you haven't done it this way before.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/23/2009 11:27:53 AM

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I've had luck rigging with floating jigheads.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/25/2009 3:32:05 AM

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I maintain my stance - we do NOT need any more fisherman at HPD - period. I won't even take friends there - there is only so much fishing space. That is MY TWO CENTS and last I saw, opinions are still free. So for all of you who climbed all over me, go take a MIDOL and eat some chocolate, lay down with a cold compress and your anger will pass.

midol taken, ate a candy bar, and iced my head, heading to highland park to fish.

people "climbed all over you" because your two cents were just that two pennies thrown in the wishing well because all you are doing is wishing you were the only person that fished there. the only thing you accomplished by making selfish non sense comments was more fishermen fishing that area. So good work way to get ur point across but you only damaged yourself and what you think is YOUR SPOT. think before you post next time.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/25/2009 2:08:41 PM

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hey man im lookin for a place to go can someone email me and talk to me about some spots on the allegheny for cats i usually only fish lake arthur. my email is mcbrizzle42091@yahoo.com

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/25/2009 2:58:42 PM

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People talk about going around freeport, but I dont know where at, specifically.

I know a great spot on the delaware river if you want it.... I will spot burn my spot for that area. :)

If you want to take a short drive, head up to lock 9. There is a hydro dam there and there is a high wall you can fish from. You can also walk down the edge of the river and cast out.

If you have a boat, you can pay $5 or so and launch at rivers edge campground right there.

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RE: Allegheny around Highland Park - 6/29/2009 12:15:53 AM

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Anywhere around Freeport is good. If your interested in channels, either head out dam road and you will see a little rock finger that juts out into the river across from where the kiski runs in. If you head the other way past the launch, you can park near the allegheny power building at the end of the road there and walk down the path to where buffalo creek runs in. There are alot of channels there but few big ones. Both these spots get hit pretty hard so get there early if you want a spot. I dont fish much south of freeport, except HPD of course. Up around kittanning there are some good spots too. Basically anywhere on the kittanning side you can hit water will produce up to 25"ers. The bigger ones seem to group up in a few places that dont get hit hard, just gotta get out there and put in the time. Clinton has good access but small cats. Theyre in there but they dont seem to venture toward shore, all the 10#+ cats Ive caught outta that pool have been by boat. Like Hiclass said, #9 is good if you can fight the current. You can get up on the wall but you better have at least 6oz to hold bottom. Most of the time its just too much of a pain to deal with. Much better action out away from the current without dealin with draggin anchor and draggin bottom with the sinkers.

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