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100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 9:40:30 AM   
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Anyone have any idea what these dead fish are?  We saw these off the point after coming out of the channel.  There were hundreds\thousands of them.  I suspect smolt, and really hope they are not Walleye fingerling, etc.  Is this normal?  Any reports?

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 9:42:37 AM   
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Any closer pics?

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 9:58:44 AM   
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I tried, but it was hard to get closer ones.  They have mold all over them, so it was very hard to get good visual definition.  Let's try these.







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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 10:34:33 AM   
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look like smolt.... could be wrong... usually see em washed up on the beach's every year this time... not too much ya do bout it....

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 10:40:24 AM   
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Oh noes the trout gods are gonna be upset!

Pelletheads bellyup the horror

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 10:43:24 AM   
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Looks like good catfish bait to me..........

just sayin'

fish comm. will say its  "natural" , nothing to worry about....

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 11:03:28 AM   
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Prob just a few walleyes burping...

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 11:44:34 AM   
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Looks like the sewer over flowed!(tampons)

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 12:28:15 PM   
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LMAO!!! If that aint the truth......

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 12:39:19 PM   
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Pretty sure that they are rainbow smelt. A die off happens this time of year almost every years but not sure why.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 2:34:16 PM   
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I saw this last Spring 2008 around the cribs. Pulled one in and they were smelt.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 5:30:51 PM   
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Definately smelt. Happens quite frequently in the spring on Lake Erie.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 6:24:07 PM   
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dude like helmut those are smelt..me and my uncle were out there and those things were everywhere on the fishfinder and we caught three when we put grubs on

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 8:21:53 PM   
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Thats to be expected when you annually/un-naturally stalk millions of those things.  Just nature taking care of things as much as it can.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/1/2009 11:21:32 PM   
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"Thats to be expected when you annually/un-naturally stalk millions of those things."

We stock Smelt? 

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/2/2009 6:01:55 AM   
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SMELT like guys said happens every year at this time even the freakin seagulls won't eat them.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/2/2009 8:57:48 AM   
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Yes, they are smelt, and a die off of some usually happens every year on the Great Lakes. I forget why, but it's normal.

There was thousands of them last year one time I was up there. Not all were dead. Some were just twitchin' around on the surface.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/2/2009 5:24:27 PM   
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aren't those things great bait for lake trout? just curious..either way..warming don't use grubs when fishing around schools of them! i used grubs and those things were stealing my perch bait..my uncle went out a few days ago and came back in a hour for minnies because they were eating all his bait! by the way the perch love grubs! but they make using them such a hassle..grubs are cheaper

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/2/2009 6:21:52 PM   
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"Thats to be expected when you annually/un-naturally stalk millions of those things."

We stock Smelt? 


no im pretty sure their invasive:-( i think he means smolt, am i right?

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/2/2009 6:29:45 PM   
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no there not an invasive species..smelt are a deep water species in the great lakes..i've heard lake trout feed on them and was just curious

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/2/2009 6:32:01 PM   
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ooooo. the stupid interweb lied to me again.........

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/2/2009 7:54:57 PM   
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Alewives along the Great Lakes, summer die-offs of immense numbers of alewives have occurred, the dead fish washing onto shorelines. This summer kill is probably the result of water temperature change, spawning stress and other causes.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/3/2009 4:36:25 AM   
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smelt an invasive species? years ago you could get them by the bucket fulls in the spring. easiest fish in the world to clean. PNA  club used to have all u can eat smelt nights. used to love getting into them when perch fishing when i was a kid.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/3/2009 1:17:27 PM   
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Rainbow smelt (not smolts, or fingerling trout/salmon) are indigenous to Lake Erie. My Dad and i used to go to the mouth of Elk Creek in the 70's and catch them with rubber dip nets by the washtub full. Then we would sit for hours cleaning them with a pair of scissors. Snip off the heads, open the gut, and scrape them out with your thumb nail. Batter the whole fish and eat them like french fries! Awesome!

Since the salmon stocking heydays and the introduction of other invasive species, the population of smelt is only 6% (PFBC biologist Chuck Murray)of what it used to be. Not one single factor has been established as the cause. Smelt are the predominant forage for walleyes in Lake Erie although gobies and other species are now filling in. Old tried and true black and silver foil Bagley bang-o 4" was designed to look just like them. I still have one or two in my spread every day.

If i can catch them while perch fishing, I'd stop perchin' and go smeltin'!

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/3/2009 4:51:06 PM   
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Smelt are not native to the great lakes.    http://www.fish.state.pa.us/pafish/fishhtms/chap15.htm



Family overview: The smelts are coldwater fishes that live throughout the Northern Hemisphere. Smelt are anadromous fish. They spawn in fresh water and live in the ocean as adults. They can also live entirely in fresh water.
Only one species of smelt is found in Pennsylvania–the rainbow smelt (Osmerus mordax). Rainbow smelt were originally found in the North Atlantic and North Pacific oceans. They were introduced into Lake Michigan in 1912, and in the following years spread throughout the Great Lakes. Rainbow smelt are in Pennsylvania in Lake Erie and Presque Isle Bay, where they are an important food for large, predatory fish. They were also introduced into Harvey’s Lake, Luzerne County, in 1952, as well as large impoundments like Raystown Lake and the Allegheny Reservoir, as forage for larger predatory fish. Rainbow smelt are occasionally observed in the Delaware River in Pennsylvania. The Delaware is the extreme southern end of their range.
The genus name “Osmerus” means “smell” or “scent,” in reference to the “sliced cucumber” odor that is noticeable in breeding adults. The species name “mordax” means “biting.”

Identification: The rainbow smelt is a small, slender, silvery fish, with a comparatively large mouth and strong teeth. Its large scales are cycloid, or smooth, and the upper jaw extends beyond the eye. The rainbow smelt’s color is rainbowlike, ranging from pale to dark-olive on the back, to purple and pink on the sides, and shading to dark-blue and violet near the belly, which is whitish. The tail is deeply forked. Like trout, salmon and catfish, the smelt has a fleshy adipose fin, a small fin lobe on the back between the dorsal and caudal fins. Spawning males develop very fine, sharp projections, called tubercles, on the head and body. Rainbow smelt grow to seven or eight inches long.

Life history: Rainbow smelt spawn early in the spring, when the water is in the mid-40s to upper 40s. Smelt run upstream into the mouths of small creeks to spawn at night, or they deposit their eggs along the lake shore. Each female releases 10,000 to 30,000 tiny, sticky eggs, which adhere to clean bottom sand or gravel. Two or more males accompany a female during spawning, and the breeding season lasts about a week. Eggs hatch in two to three weeks, and young smelt grow to about three inches their first year. Smelt are mature and ready to spawn in two or three years. They live five or six years. Young smelt live in the lake shallows in the summer, but move to deeper water in autumn. Adult smelt congregate in huge midwater schools in Lake Erie, but move closer to the surface at night.

Young smelt eat tiny aquatic organisms, but switch to aquatic insect larvae and other invertebrates and small fish as they grow. They may turn the table on their predators, and feast on the predator fish’s young. Anglers “dip” smelt with nets during the spawning run. Anglers also fish for them with tiny baited hooks and jigs through the ice. In some places, smelt are important commercially, but not in Pennsylvania.

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/3/2009 5:08:10 PM   
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WOW! Everything I have ever been told has been wrong. Nice investigative reporting there Stillhead. I wish we still had them around in the numbers they were. I wonder if the introduction of smelt could have contributed to the demise of the blue pike???

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/3/2009 5:13:37 PM   
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o im sorry i've had a lot of people tell me they are supposed to be here my mistake..and blue pike went extinct because they were over fished by commercial fishing

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/3/2009 8:06:14 PM   
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quote:

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"Thats to be expected when you annually/un-naturally stalk millions of those things."

We stock Smelt? 


LMAO...my mistake, I thought they were talking about smolt!!  LOL!

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/3/2009 10:39:31 PM   
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Do the smelts dying have anything to do with the lake turning over?

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RE: 100's\1,000+ Dead fish off point - 6/4/2009 8:45:37 AM   
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YEP that's a very good reason why this happens.

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