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duncsdad -> The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 9:37:53 AM)

The root word of the term angling is….
 
ANGLE.
 
I am amazed how often this concept is ignored by fishermen (and fisherladies, but the generic term will be used going forward).  And I can think of no other fishing situation that requires being at the proper angle than dry fly fishing for very, very selective stream reared trout in clear water.
 
Yet I witnessed this disregard for technique again on Tuesday evening.
 
I arrived at the Little J somewhat later than I would have liked and when I got there, there were already fish on the surface.  Normally this wouldn’t be an issue, but I wanted to get to an out-of-the-way area to avoid the circus that had ensued and that would take some time.
 
While there are a few remote spots on the River, most stretches are easily reachable within a reasonable distance from parking areas.  I typically don’t like to get too remote because it can be dangerous, especially when fishing by one’s self.  The wades can be long and tough and there are enough dangerous snakes about to make a pitch dark trip out not too fun.  But some of the out-of-the-way but not exactly remote spots are difficult enough that most won’t venture there and they are within a reasonable (make that 15 – 20 minutes) walk/wade.
 
Since I was running late, I bypassed some pools in order to hustle to where I wanted to spend the bulk of the hatch.  About 200 yards short of where I wanted to be, I just had to stop and throw a few casts at a pod of fish that were just smashing duns with reckless abandon.  They were in a tough spot, almost completely across the creek and their lie has a downed tree in the stream guarding any real good approach.  After watching them for about 10 minutes – trying to figure the proper angle, I waded in slightly above them, threw a high arcing cast over the water level tree and tossed an in air mend to put the fly line below the tip of the tree branch.  By dropping the elbow, this produced enough slack to get about a foot or so of drift.  That was plenty.  By moving my position up or down stream a few feet, I was able to raise 7 fish and catch 5 of them.  I also think that the two that I didn’t hook may have missed the fly completely on very violent rises.  From the angle I had to work from (there was a way too fast, way too deep spot that would have given me the right shot), I think they rose aggressively to the fly, then spotted some micro-drag that I couldn’t see or remove from the drift because of the angle, an aborted the feeding attempt.
 
Deciding that I really needed to get where I was headed, I gave up on the still rising fish and moved to the area I wanted to fish. 
 
And there were two guys already there.
 
The fisherman in the upstream position was positioned just fine.  The gentleman in the downstream position was trying to fish two feeding lanes from the same standing spot.  Both guys were good casters and both had on the proper fly.  But they weren’t doing very well.
 
I stood back out of the way to watch – due to what time it now was I was committed to being here for the evening.  After about 5 minutes, the upstream fisherman waded over to where I was standing and said “they’re all yours, I can’t catch them.”  He said he hadn’t caught a fish all evening and at this point the hatch had probably been rolling for hours.
 
Why was that?
 
ANGLE.
 
He was in the right standing spot.  Fish were rising at casting distances of anywhere from 10 to 60 feet away.  But his casting angle was all wrong.
 
He was throwing a straight right-handed over hand cast.  With the direction of water flow and the 4 – 6 different current seams he was facing, there was absolutely no way he could get a clean drift of any length – even a foot or so.
 
In addition, his buddy that was downstream was in such a spot so as to prevent the upstream angler from wading out another 5 feet and down another few to make that type of cast workable without disturbing his fishing.
 
So I waded in where he left, even though his buddy was still an obstacle to getting into a perfect position.  In order to get any type of drift at all, I had to lean at the waist and throw a semi-backhanded cast across my body.  This put the fly, and much more importantly, the fly line; in position to get at least some drift.
 
I raised a fish and missed it.  Over the next 45 minutes or so, I probably raised 20 or so and only hooked 3 – one shook off, one that took a massive upstream run actually broke off (the tippet was fairly abraised, I think it rubbed against something rather hard), and I land only one – and it was foul hooked under the chin.  I think that I was getting the same micro-drag as the previous spot and the fish were missing the fly on purpose.  But this was the only angle I had with the guy downstream.
 
The downstream gentlemen thought it funny that I was getting frustrated at rising but not catching.  During the same time period he raised 3 fish and caught two – one of which was foul hooked under the chin also.
 
He finally decided to leave and stopped to talk a little while I repaired the leader after breaking the fish off.  He had been fishing all day and had caught 5 – the last two of which I witnessed.  He said that these trout were so tough.
 
I gave him a fly and told him of a spot upstream (on his way out) that I knew had a single feeding lane.  With his casting skill and only one target area to think about, I knew he would do well.
 
Upon his departure, I waded into the spot I had been in, took a few steps out and a few down and started to use a completely sidearm backhanded cast – one that I couldn’t use when he was positioned where he was.  In short order I caught 4 trout – with zero missed fish, or more correctly zero fish missing the fly.
 
I then moved to where he was standing and saw that there were two distinct feeding lanes – neither of which could be accessed properly from that exact spot.  By moving a few feet up and half a step out, I could get clean drifts into the upper feeding lane.  And by continuing to make slight adjustment, I was able to catch 7 trout from that seam.  I did miss 3 fish, probably because I got lazy and didn’t make the slight adjustments needed to get a clean drift.
 
I moved a little below where he had been, like 4 – 6 feet and had a good angle to the lower lies.  Eleven trout came from there – including one of about 16”.
 
Turning around, I saw a pod of fish under a very low hanging limb, gently rising.  This indicated that they were on spinners and not slashing at duns or emergers.  I changed angles to get a good drift – no easy feat with the limb right over the fish and no downstream approach available.  I rose and caught 4 fish from the pod, one again of about 16” and one that stuck out several inches on either side of my landing net opening (which is 17.5”).  It had a huge kype and teeth.  This fish had been around for a while and it was one of the largest trout that I had caught in the River that was not from the Jurassic Park area.
 
Of course, I finally put a fly in the tree and broke my lead to heck.  It was getting dark rapidly, so I reeled up and quit with trout still rising.
 
When I was back at the vehicle putting my gear away, the gentleman that I gave the fly to approached with his three fishing comrades.  He asked how I did and I told him that I caught a few including one good one.  He said that he went where I told him and used the fly until the trout tore it apart.  He caught more fish in an hour than he had in the last three days (they were from out of state on an extended fishing trip).  He wanted to know where he could get that “magic” fly.
 
The morale of the story isn’t that there was a magic fly, but rather he was fishing the fly in a spot that forced him to be at the proper angle due to only one feeding lane and he got some clean drifts.  In addition, its not that I am a super fly guy or a great caster (those that have fished with me can attest to that), but rather, if one studies the water and gets the proper angle for a clean drift, one can overcome less than great casting, less than a perfect fly, and less than perfect technique.
 
The root word of the term angling is….
 
And that was the difference between one of the people I met on the river catching zero fish in a day; the other catching about a dozen (the bulk of which came after he was unknowing forced into fish from the proper angle); and myself landing over 30 despite arriving late and not getting to fish for a decent period of time from the angle I wanted to.
 
As a post script, during my conversation I found out that these guys fished Erie Tribs for steelhead.  When I asked if they were FishErie board regulars, the response was, “No, those guys are just a bunch of a-holes.”
 
Little did he know that a FishErie a-hole more than doubled his catch for the day.
 
Perhaps next time I’ll ask the FishErie question before providing flies and spots.
 




pxatim -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 10:53:47 AM)

Great post!




doubletaper -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 12:00:51 PM)

again it comes down to knowing how to read the water, read the current getting in position and presenting the fly with the right drift! great read for a fisherie A-hole. looks like you get an A+ [;)] in fish catching angling!![image]http://forums.fishusa.com/micons/m6.gif[/image]




Deadbolt401 -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 12:40:45 PM)

I can't cast. Period.




dano -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 5:33:03 PM)

Cool that they left and you had some water to work. Not very common out your way when the sulphurs are on. ( I'm just assuming you were on sulphurs) I've bee lucky this year to find long sections of water to wade and cast.
Since the back surgery, there are times when I can't get into the best position so you settle for the best you can and try to throw enough curve and tippet slack to get that wee bit of drift. So far it's been paying off though I still find myself standing in places where I shouldn't be. All this just to catch a trout. I guess I've gone off the deep end in more ways than one.






dano -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 5:35:09 PM)

 There are a couple variables I find myself having to overcome when finding that best casting position. The first is glare. In fact, there are some nice evening spots that I would love to fish but the evening glare there gives you such a small window to fish.
And wind. Just when you think you have everything under control, the wind changes direction.
Luckily, the breeze and best visual sight were both going in the same direction I was fishing last evening. And both led to my truck. [;)]




luvinbluegills -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 8:31:21 PM)

Great lesson duncsdad! Would you mind if I added your post (with proper accreditation of course) to my blog? 




beerman -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 8:44:10 PM)

Thanks for sharing your wisdom, Duncsdad!
Question: does this work for tarpon also?




anadromous -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/21/2009 10:37:48 PM)

Dunc,
Great post. I fished for two days out of the Green Hill campground and then headed to Spring creek on sunday. I am learning more and more about approach and drift speed, seam reading and just plain patience and resolve. The fish that come to hand when all of these facets come to fruition are very rewarding. Marking risers, making a game plan and looking ahead at how you will approach. It reminds me of looking at the pool table after a nine ball break and maping a run out....Watch your ball speed, follow through on your stroke, etc....when the run comes together it is a great high.




rapala11 -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/22/2009 12:07:08 AM)

dad, that was excellent. education, sportsmanship, class and tolerance in one post.  man, you are good.  as for members being aholes, i think not.  there are some class folks here.  thanks for sharing.




indsguiz -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/22/2009 4:30:59 AM)

Duncsdad,
   I guess the j has come down some in the last week.  When I was up over the 10-13 the river just kept coming UP!  Had to fish above tipton to get any decent water.  Behind Tyrone Auto Salvage was OK too but still too high for my liking.  Wish I could wade out to "those angles" but my back & legs ain't what they used to was.  Used to be if I wasn't in up above my waist I was just looking.  Now if I'm in above my waist it's usually head first! (See the Oil Creek pictures).  Got any idea when the big green drakes will be coming off?  I'd like to make another trip up.




duncsdad -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/22/2009 1:37:44 PM)

Thank you for the replies to the post.

Luvin,

Use whatever you want for whatever you want.

Greg,

Yeah, the angle thing does come into play with Tarpon, but for different reasons.  I try, and the key word is try, to place the fly to the eye closest to me.  The idea is that if the fish isn't interested, I don't spook them when I pick up for another shot.  Also, if the fish turns to take the fly, it usually turns back toward the pod after the take and this provides an excellent opportunity to bury the fly in the corner of its mouth on a strip strike.

Its funny, I keep a folder from one Keys trip to the next for reservations, maps, etc. and on the inside flap I have diagrams of a flats boat with an arrow for wind direction vs. what side of my body I want the line on (first cast out of a bucket -- but follow-up shots from the deck) in order to prevent stepping on it during a double haul.  I just can't remember from year to year and reference the flap before going on the trip.

dano,

I, too, was glad they left.  But if they hadn't, I would have just taken a seat and watched.  Typically, folks don't hang out in this spot long -- there are only a couple of spots to cross and they aren't fun to find in the dark.

I also sometimes find myself in spots I should not be in.  MSO built me a wading staff, but I only use it when the water is 450 or more for safety reasons.  If I took it at other times, I would wade where I shouldn't.

Indsquiz,

Yep, the water is down -- low 200's.  It will get a little more challenging since the trout will get a very good look.

All, If in the area, drop a PM.

deadbolt,

Can't Cast?  You're basically screwed -- sorry.




pxatim -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/22/2009 1:50:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: duncsdad



deadbolt,

Can't Cast?  You're basically screwed -- sorry.




ahhhhhahahahahah no sympathy for you!




luvinbluegills -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/22/2009 3:53:39 PM)

There you go!

http://adventureswithfish.blogspot.com/2009/05/remembering-part-called-angling.html




Stillhead -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/22/2009 4:25:08 PM)

If you can't get the right "angle", just plop it right on their head (assuming you can), that'll usually get them. Especially in the super slow water where they get a long look and won't hit it on the drift.  Hit'em in the head with it and allot of times you'll get a lightning like strike. 

P.S. when I say hit'em in the head with it, I mean the fly, not the line [sm=biglaugh.gif]




flyfishermanPA -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/22/2009 4:29:25 PM)

Stillhead, PETA will be all over that in no time..

Hurting their pea sized brains.. How dare you.




duncsdad -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/23/2009 8:37:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stillhead

If you can't get the right "angle", just plop it right on their head (assuming you can), that'll usually get them. Especially in the super slow water where they get a long look and won't hit it on the drift.  Hit'em in the head with it and allot of times you'll get a lightning like strike. 

P.S. when I say hit'em in the head with it, I mean the fly, not the line [sm=biglaugh.gif]


I agree -- for pelletheads. 

The excemption, of course, would be if there are egglaying caddis bouncing on the water or when using terrestrials.

I guarantee you plop a Little J or Spring Creek trout right on the head and that is the last you will see of it for 30 minutes or more.

Of course, if you can't get the right angle and are going to leave the fish anyway, its worth the 1000 to one shot to hit them on the head.  Maybe it will work.




duncsdad -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/23/2009 8:41:59 AM)

Saw something strange on the Little J last night.

There were two guys below me.  One was catching fish pretty regularly.  The other was complaining to his buddy that he hadn't had a bite.

It was fairly dark when the spinners started, but the fish were also not that tough -- the darker it gets, the dumber they get.

When I finally looked down toward them, the guy that was not catching any (he had a good position) had on one of those LED lights on his hat bill.  He was watching his fore and back false cast, shining the light like an airport searchlight every time he moved his head.  Then when he laid his cast down, he would follow the fly with the light, like a spotlight on a stage performer.

I have no idea why he wasn't getting any rises.

Here's your sign.




thedrake -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/23/2009 9:30:30 AM)

I saw something funny on the LJ a few nights ago too. I was guiding a few guys who were pretty anxious to catch a good spinner fall. Being from ohio, they've never seen or fished an evening rise. After a good afternoon of nymphing these guys were ready to fish on top. I took them to a favorite spot of mine with some flat water, and plenty of room for their sloppy backcasts. After we parked, another guy pulled in. I tried to be nice to the guy and let him know we were planning of fishing the flat water, but we didn't mind if he squeezed into the same spot since there was enough room for all of us. Right away, without even putting his rod together, he started to practically run to where we were going to fish, and walked right into the middle of the river to claim his spot. He made sure to place himself in a way that it would be difficult for others to fish there.

My initial thought was to walk over and drown the guy.....but he nearly took care of that himself when, as he hit the deep water, decided to stand on a large submerged rock. After only 3 casts, he slipped, landing his back on the rock, and dropped his rod in the water. After he submerged himself one more time while trying to find his rod, he left without saying a word.

Karma




Mikastorm -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/24/2009 12:02:15 AM)

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duncsdad -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/24/2009 7:05:40 AM)

Did the guy ever get his rod back?

How much time did you spend helping him look --- LOL!




dano -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/24/2009 7:39:15 AM)

Can you imagine hanging up on the bottom, thinking you snagged a stick and pull up a nice fishing rod?




thedrake -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/24/2009 9:35:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: duncsdad

Did the guy ever get his rod back?

How much time did you spend helping him look --- LOL!


Yeah, he got it back. It was funny watching him try to get it out of the river, because the water was deep enough he had to get soaked in order to get it.

I wouldnt have helped him. Some people deserve to lose their rod.




Stillhead -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/26/2009 10:20:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: duncsdad

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stillhead

If you can't get the right "angle", just plop it right on their head (assuming you can), that'll usually get them. Especially in the super slow water where they get a long look and won't hit it on the drift.  Hit'em in the head with it and allot of times you'll get a lightning like strike. 

P.S. when I say hit'em in the head with it, I mean the fly, not the line [sm=biglaugh.gif]


I agree -- for pelletheads. 

The excemption, of course, would be if there are egglaying caddis bouncing on the water or when using terrestrials.

I guarantee you plop a Little J or Spring Creek trout right on the head and that is the last you will see of it for 30 minutes or more.

Of course, if you can't get the right angle and are going to leave the fish anyway, its worth the 1000 to one shot to hit them on the head.  Maybe it will work.




I have caught lots of little J fish, and a good many spring creek fish, by landing the fly right on their heads. It does work best with terrestrials, but I've caught them well other dries too this way. 

I don't disagree with your thoughts on the correct angle to drift a dry to a fish, but landing a fly right on their heads, without slamming the line/leader on them will not spook even the wildest of trout. Maybe if the sun was bright and your fly was large enough to throw a shadow first.




albud1962 -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/29/2009 6:37:58 AM)

As you once told me, sometimes a cast directly behind the fish also gets their attention. I was fishing some slow water at Clark Creek in Harrisburg, applied that technique and had some violent hits.




albud1962 -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/29/2009 7:38:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thedrake

I saw something funny on the LJ a few nights ago too. I was guiding a few guys who were pretty anxious to catch a good spinner fall. Being from ohio, they've never seen or fished an evening rise. After a good afternoon of nymphing these guys were ready to fish on top. I took them to a favorite spot of mine with some flat water, and plenty of room for their sloppy backcasts. After we parked, another guy pulled in. I tried to be nice to the guy and let him know we were planning of fishing the flat water, but we didn't mind if he squeezed into the same spot since there was enough room for all of us. Right away, without even putting his rod together, he started to practically run to where we were going to fish, and walked right into the middle of the river to claim his spot. He made sure to place himself in a way that it would be difficult for others to fish there.

My initial thought was to walk over and drown the guy.....but he nearly took care of that himself when, as he hit the deep water, decided to stand on a large submerged rock. After only 3 casts, he slipped, landing his back on the rock, and dropped his rod in the water. After he submerged himself one more time while trying to find his rod, he left without saying a word.

Karma

Those **** fish Erie ahole's always hijacking them good spots LOL.  The guy that fell in didn't look like woody woodpecker did he? If he did probably the first bath he had in days...




duncsdad -> RE: The root word of the term angling is... (5/29/2009 10:02:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: albud1962

As you once told me, sometimes a cast directly behind the fish also gets their attention. I was fishing some slow water at Clark Creek in Harrisburg, applied that technique and had some violent hits.


Now you've done it.  Everyone will know.




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