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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/28/2007 3:02:38 PM   
sixers

 

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Status: offline 		you are correct concerning the 5 mph max on the panther steering kit.  I assumed  that it would place to much stress on the  steering bar if you go over 5 mph.  However, it can be rigged differently to avoid that steering bar hookup.

What I did is attached it directly  to an older cowl of my 25hp  that I also use for my motor and was not afraid to drill holes into.  Sounds crazy but my 5hp kicker for pymy or leesville dam, just runs along like a charm when I go to other lakes and use my 25hp.

The laziness, is that I do not need the kicker for the bigger lakes  and should just take it off, which I do sometimes.



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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/28/2007 7:27:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you have your prop off, could you turn on your larger motor for charging purposes only?  If the reason for the restriction is for wake, I don't see this being a major problem.  If it is pollution, I wouldn't doubt that most of the 30 year old 9.9 motors are putting out the same as a newer 200HP.  They really need to put the rules somewhere where the public could read them.  I'm sure they are, but I can't find anything.   

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/29/2007 1:08:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		hopped up motors have been around for 20+ years. hard to believe they have waited till now to do something about it. maybe they figure they let the 9.9's go to 18-20 and dont want the 20's to go to 30+. dont know where it ends but maybe theyre trying to end it. maybe somebody peed somebody off or maybe there was an accident by a careless boater. whatever the case, IFFFFF they check EVERYBODY, theres going to be a lot less boat traffic on the restricted lakes.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/29/2007 7:25:40 AM   
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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/29/2007 6:41:58 PM   
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Status: online 		Commander I was up Arthur this morning and seen more boats today any other day this year so far.The WCO Boat checking was no real problem with the amount of boats today.And Seen plenty of the 25hp four strokes too.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/29/2007 7:12:21 PM   
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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/29/2007 7:32:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		good to hear. i, personally dont care if people run illegal or not. im still having a hard time believing they were checking to begin with.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 5:22:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think that having hp limits is not the best way to regulate the waters that need protected. Personally i think they should be all "no wake" it is much easier to see some one being a jerk screwing around than to pick out serial numbers.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 6:47:30 AM   
sixers

 

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Status: offline 		In many lakes their are no wake or 10 mph limits.  Wouldn't pymy be great if we had a 10 mph limit.  Same for lake arthur.  The north end of mosquito is 10 mph and Berlin has no wake areas.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 7:15:28 AM   
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In many lakes their are no wake or 10 mph limits.  Wouldn't pymy be great if we had a 10 mph limit.  Same for lake arthur.  The north end of mosquito is 10 mph and Berlin has no wake areas.



wouldnt Pymy be great with no hp limit

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 9:52:16 AM   
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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 10:15:06 AM   
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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 10:31:38 AM   
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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 10:34:14 AM   
rapala11


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Status: offline 		went across conneaut lake saturday and sunday this week.  a fisherman in a 14-16 foot aluminum boat would not have survived.  it wasn't all that windy, but the waves were incredible from the ski boats and and watercraft.  no need to worry about algae blooms and pond scum on that lake, it never rests.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 2:29:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just dont see why there is any limit on a lake that size. open it up and let everyone use it.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 2:32:40 PM   
rapala11


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Status: offline 		i used to fish over at berlin and milton in eastern ohio.  pretty good size lakes with unlimited hp.  did not matter where we were, they found us.  pymy is between erie and shenango.   seems to be enough water for big and small in these parts.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 2:36:34 PM   
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Maybe, I miss quoted it.  In the past, I have paid a yearly launch fee to launch at Lake Arthur and my boat is registered in Ohio.  I paid my fee without any questions, it was about $15 . They checked my boat registration but since 9.9 hp's are not registered, they did not check that.  Indeed, I think you can buy the pass  on the internet at the state site. 

It is my understanding that this applied to all State Lakes ( non Federal).  Now Pymy is run by both so one does not  pay the fee to launch on the Pa side, I have asked about that to the Pa campground officers.

Sorry, for the lack of information, I am just relating my experience.



If you are registered in Ohio, or any other state, and the boat does not stay in PA beyond a certain number of days, you do not need any type pf permit in PA.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 4:00:23 PM   
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The only exception would be on U.S. Army Corps. lakes, which charge a launch fee regardless of registration.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 6:01:10 PM   
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Kayak,

The only exception would be on U.S. Army Corps. lakes, which charge a launch fee regardless of registration.


Spoonchucker,  If you pay a launch fee when you put in, they pay a fee but as far as a permit, unless I missed something in the regs, I don't think that is correct:

FISH & BOAT COMMISSION LAKES AND ACCESS AREAS 1. Any boat, powered or unpowered, using a Commission lake or access area, must display a current registration or launch permit.


RECIPROCITY AND WATERS OF PRINCIPAL USE Vessels must be registered in the state in which the boat is principally used. If the boat is waterborne (including time at a marina slip or mooring) on Pennsylvania waters more than on waters of another state, it must be registered in Pennsylvania regardless of where the owner lives. Reciprocal privileges are granted to boats validly registered in other states for up to 60 days.



I'll email the commission to be certain but their regs do not say out-out-staters need additional registrations or launch permits.




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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 6:12:06 PM   
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You are right, there are no requirements for out of state boats beyond what is required of instate boats. I was just pointing out that he may be charged a launch fee on Army Corps. lakes, Pa. registered boats would be as well.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 6:53:07 PM   
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Kayak,

You are right, there are no requirements for out of state boats beyond what is required of instate boats. I was just pointing out that he may be charged a launch fee on Army Corps. lakes, Pa. registered boats would be as well.



Ahh okay.  I thought you were talking about permits.  thanks

P.S.  Does Arthur now charge a launch fee?  sizers refers to a $15.00 fee for that lake.  Last time I boated there was years ago and there was no fee required so I am not certain if he's talking launch fee (which he would pay if there is one) or permit (which he should not have to pay). 


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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 7/31/2007 10:02:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		No launch fees at Arthur. Unless he stayed at one of the cabins, there MIGHT be a dock fee, or a fee for a transient dock at the marina. He may also have confused/misremembered Arthur, for Shenango.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/1/2007 7:18:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have not been to Lake arthur in 5 years and my info/memory may be out of date and maybe I miss quoted the fee that I paid.  But here is the explanation from the website.

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/stateParks/parks/moraine.aspx


"Non-powered boats must have one of the following: state park launching permit or state park mooring permit which are available at most state park offices; or current Pennsylvania boat registration. Motorboats must display a current boat registration. Boats registered in other states must display a Pennsylvania state park launch permit or mooring permit in addition to their current registration."

It is this state park launch permit that I was  refering to.  My point was that I ( being from Ohio)) would be sure to have a state park launch permit if I were to have a overpoered boat. I do recall paying the fee and placing the sticker on my boat.Another site:
DCNR launch permits now valid at PFBC site Permits issued by the DCNR allowing non-powered boats to launch at State Park lakes are now valid for use at access areas and lakes operated by the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission (PFBC). The reciprocal recognition of DCNR launch permits at PFBC launch sites was approved by the Commission earlier this year and became effective with the recent publication of the regulation change in the Pennsylvania Bulletin. Currently, the launch permits can only be purchased at state park offices. The present DCNR launch permit costs are $10 for state residents seeking one-year permits; two-year permits are $18 for residents. Non-residents pay $15 for a one-year permit and $28 for a two-year permit. DCNR boat mooring permits will also be valid for launching at PFBC sites. The Commission will begin to issue launch permits in December 2001. Those launch permits also will be valid at PFBC properties and at state parks. The introduction of launch permits provides a second option for non-powered boat operators who wish to use PFBC properties. Non-powered boat users already have the option to register their boats, granting them use of the PFBC properties and waters in State Parks. Boat registrations for non-powered boats are $10 for two years for both residents and non-residents. The Commission manages through state ownership, lease, or easements 62 publicly accessible lakes and nearly 250 waterside access areas which provide fishing and boating opportunities. There are 46 boating areas within the state park system.




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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/1/2007 7:44:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I pulled the cover off my 15 last night to try and find the serial number and couldn't find it. I even used a flash light. Don't know how they can check it if you can't find it.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/1/2007 3:32:50 PM   
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I pulled the cover off my 15 last night to try and find the serial number and couldn't find it. I even used a flash light. Don't know how they can check it if you can't find it.


My 1983 Johnson 15 hp has the serial number stamped on the flywheel.  There should be a plate on the mouting bar or shaft housing too but the original owner of my boat removed them so that if he got checked (when 10 hp was the max. at most of the restricted lakes) they would be forced to search for the serial number.  Haven't been to pymy with my boat yet but I am not going to worry about it.  15hp isn't pushing it any faster than the boats with legit 10hps anyhow. 

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/2/2007 10:51:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		like BIGHEAD said there is still as much boat traffic as ever. maybe the wco's(no offense to them) were told to blow some smoke and check everybody for a day or two. maybe the "brass" of the PFBC are trying something new to scare people. there are so many boats, so many motors, and so many launches. pretty hard to imagine the PFBC is going to risk the $$$ they receive from tourney permits, registration, etc... to try and shut people down for using hopped up motors. eventually theyll be able to do it with the manufacturers not being able to produce 2-stroke motors, but for now, theres very few wco's that are capable of being able to detect hopped up motors. imo the biggest problem are the guys that are blowing by people at 20 mph on restricted lakes. its not hard to figure out who's legal and who's not.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/2/2007 11:15:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		blowing by at 20MPH? My LEGAL 18, will push my 17ft Tracker at close to 30, and I get passed by others with legal motors.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/2/2007 11:48:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz

quote:

ORIGINAL: bingsbaits

I pulled the cover off my 15 last night to try and find the serial number and couldn't find it. I even used a flash light. Don't know how they can check it if you can't find it.


My 1983 Johnson 15 hp has the serial number stamped on the flywheel.  There should be a plate on the mouting bar or shaft housing too but the original owner of my boat removed them so that if he got checked (when 10 hp was the max. at most of the restricted lakes) they would be forced to search for the serial number.  Haven't been to pymy with my boat yet but I am not going to worry about it.  15hp isn't pushing it any faster than the boats with legit 10hps anyhow. 

Removing or altering a serial number is a much more serious offence than having too much HP

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/3/2007 6:14:36 AM   
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Status: online 		A friend of my fished the wensdaynight tourny and said the gammey's were on full force and checked everyone! It was to dang hot for me. There was alot of new tracker's with 25 forestrokes fishing the tourny's but my friend said not one was there this week.I guess it is working.

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RE: Pa checking 20 hp motors - 8/3/2007 11:05:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I fished the wednesday night tourny this week and didn't see a Commissioner all night or see anyone get checked. There were plenty of guys runnin 25 four strokes also.

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