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Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:39:07 AM   
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A must read. Time for action!  Pass this one around.
 
Most Americans are aware of Bill Lear, because of his Lear Jet business; however, he has accomplished much more, as you can see from this.   William P. Lear -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia.  His opinions are worth a read.   
 
 
A serious comment by Bill Lear (Lear Jet)
  
Subject:  Straight talk for Republicans and Democrats.
 
A Humble Plea to McCain and Obama Supporters:
 
Dear friends,
 
I am truly astonished by the ignorance Obama supporters have displayed in their quest to get someone - ANYONE - into the White House. Now, wait a minute. I can well understand your dislike or even hatred of our clown, GWB, but he is not the root cause of all of our problems. Our Congress is. And a change there would be welcomed by all. You ain't gonna get it done with Obama. You gotta fire the whole ****able crooked Congress.   (Read my book, "BERNIE'S WAR!").
 
Perhaps I'm looking at all of this from a different perspective than you because my life experiences have been so different from yours. I'm 80-years old and have traveled the world where I've seen a great deal.  I spent five years on active duty as a fighter pilot in the USAF and another seven years flying with the Air National Guard inCalifornia and Texas as well as a few years flying in the USAF Reserve. I spent three years on active duty in Germany flying Czech border patrol with "cold guns" in aircraft inferior to the MIG during the Korean "Police Action" when it was thought that Korea was a diversion for a Soviet invasion of Western Europe.
 
I lived abroad for a total of 28 years. Three years in Germany, twenty years in Switzerland and five years in Great Britain where I was based doing "spook" work for the U.S. behind the Iron Curtain before it fell.   During that era of the Cold War I ventured to Moscow, Prague, Warsaw, Bucharest, Peshawar, Pakistan and Bulgaria posing as a Swiss French-speaking arms dealer purchasing weapons we surreptitiously supplied to the Afghani Mujahedeen in their successful fight against the Soviets - all of which came back to haunt us.   I've been there and done that and have had close associations with top government people in Germany, the Netherlands and Great Britain. I've had more foreign affair experience than Obama could ever dream of and, yet, wouldn't have the temerity to deign myself "Presidential" material; although I feel eminently more qualified to judge who would NOT be best for our country. My long-time world experience should count for something in my plea to you to abandon this miscreant flake. You will only be doing yourself and our country an enormous disservice if you persist in your support of this flash-in-the-pan opportunist. On this, you MUST trust me.
 
I've associated closely with European royalty and African politicians. I've traveled to the Far East to observe their cultures. My point is that Obama, although formally well educated and a brilliant orator, is a neophyte when it comes to understanding the world and is uniquely unqualified for the job as President of these great United States. His knowledge of economics is nil and his tax proposals absurd and life-threatening to the U.S. not only in economic terms but in preserving our national security as well. I don't want a "citizen of the world" to be President, I want a citizen of the good old USA to be President.
 
Screw the rest of the world as they have well and truly screwed us. The time has come for us to awaken and start looking after ourselves. Now THAT would be CHANGE if that's what you're looking for.
 
While McCain has abstained from playing "the race-card", Obama  is playing it to the hilt even though he's technically not an African-American.  To qualify for this distinction you must be at least one-sixth black.  Obama is only one-eighth. His father would be, as he was one-sixth. No, Obama is more Muslim than black yet he trades on his blackness.
 
The larger question I have about him is that we really don't know much about him other than what HE  tells us, what we read on blogs and from some serious non-partisan investigators whose factual reports are, unfortunately, generally ignored and which receive precious little media exposure.
 
I, as a registered Independent, a military veteran and a patriot, beseech you to put aside party considerations and vote for the lesser of the two evils. Yes, I am NOT a McCain supporter, but he is, at least, not a flake, doesn't carry Muslim baggage and is a PROVEN hero and patriot WITH experience. It's not a party issue. It's all about electing the best we can trust with what we've got to work with. Mr. Obama is NOT that guy.
 
Please, please rethink your voting position.  Thanks for reading my innermost thoughts. I care about all of you, but I care more about our country. Please help me to do both.
 
William P. (Bill) Lear, Jr.
 lear@cfl.rr.com
 (386) 763-5051
Port Orange, FL
 
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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:48:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		...straight from the mouth of a billionaire.  I am sure that this is someone we can all relate to.

Bill Lear claims he is astonished by the ignorance of Obama supporters.  Has he even looked once at the ignorance displayed by supporters in the McCain camp?  I continually hear comments from the McCain camp that Obama is a terrorist, Obama is the AntiChrist, or Obama is Black... we can't vote for him.  There has never been a more ignorant group of supporters that continually embarrass themselves than the group supporting McCain. 


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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:17:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		grif, you have to understand.  obama may tax the rich and dear poor lear would lose his participation in "the base".  after eight years of pure crap, it is time for a change.  i am not at all sold on obama, not in the least, but i am voting to block more years of this insanity, while we have some semblence of country left.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:28:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: griffon

...straight from the mouth of a billionaire.  I am sure that this is someone we can all relate to.

Bill Lear claims he is astonished by the ignorance of Obama supporters.  Has he even looked once at the ignorance displayed by supporters in the McCain camp?  I continually hear comments from the McCain camp that Obama is a terrorist, Obama is the AntiChrist, or Obama is Black... we can't vote for him.  There has never been a more ignorant group of supporters that continually embarrass themselves than the group supporting McCain. 



griff, where do you hear that obama is a terrorist? i have not heard this anywhere. must be where you live.
he is treated like the antichrist in his own party. that is obvious at times.
isn't he black? is that a problem? just wondering. ~dt

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:36:29 AM   
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Re. Terrorists-watch any newscast (and I do many any, I don't care if it is CNN, Fox, MSNBC...) where they cover McCain rallys and listen to the individuals that are interviewed.  Inevitably there will be that word mentioned by the McCain supporters.

Re. Antichrist-  It seems as though every bible thumper out there is predicting this one. Traditionally, these people have been and remain staunch conservatives.

Re. Black-  Read Bill Lear's words and he would tell you that Obama is not officially such.  Again, watch any newscast from any rural area and the racist comments get made every time.  What is strange is that for some reason most of these people seem to have the stars and bars prominently displayed somewhere on their vehicle or property. 

Tell you what, swing into any backwoods bar this Friday night (I'm sure Clarion has more than it's share) and listen to the conversations.  You will quickly see what I am talking about. 

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 9:29:18 AM   
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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 9:43:09 AM   
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He gets totally lost.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 10:10:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Re. Terrorists-watch any newscast (and I do many any, I don't care if it is CNN, Fox, MSNBC...) where they cover McCain rallys and listen to the individuals that are interviewed.  Inevitably there will be that word mentioned by the McCain supporters.

he has associated with such people hasn't he? that's is why the word is mentioned and i believe it should be a concern!


Re. Black-  Read Bill Lear's words and he would tell you that Obama is not officially such.  Again, watch any newscast from any rural area and the racist comments get made every time.  What is strange is that for some reason most of these people seem to have the stars and bars prominently displayed somewhere on their vehicle or property. 
 
i know obama is not officially black. i read also. can you convince the people of the U.S. of A. otherwise? i wonder why soooo many people think he's black? i doubt this is the mccains 'camp' that instituted this!!!!

i also doubt this bill lear thing is all true. i can't imagine he would use the word 'ain't' for an 80 year old man. (i could be wrong).

ya, there will be racist remarks in a 'white bar'. come on i'm not stupid any more than you are. do you not think there are racist remarks amoung black people? go to rev. wrights place of worship and bring me back your thoughts. ~dt  



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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 11:21:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mikastorm

What gets me is Obama can not answer a question without his cheat cards or reading his que board.
He gets totally lost.


ah....
ahhh....
aaahhhh.....
and ahhhh....
you notice it too when he's not reading his que cards!
how can you graduate with high honors from a college and use an ahhh in every sentence when you are speaking?
must have got through college on ahhhh special govrn't program! 

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 11:43:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LDD

Yeah, Mr. Lear is really in touch with "Joe Six Pack"...he hasn't even lived in this country  28 out of his 80 years. WTF...?? 


nahh...he was just out there "DEFENDING IT" in one way or another for most of those 28 years.  Can you even read? 

I must admit, I have not taken the time to check snopes to check on the letter to see if it is even remotely factual.  By the way, the company I work for purchased Lear in 1990. 

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 2:07:19 PM   
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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 3:22:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		im independent and literally hate politics altogether. i think its all a big joke. "we care about you". bull crap. they care about you about as much as i care about math homework. they all tell you what you want to hear. and the media picks out who it wants hold up and who it wants to put down. its all a joke. i do think its funny watching all the political people argue though. around college here its funny. the republicans need to stop doing whatever it is they do and focus on real problems and the democrats need to focus on real problems and stop complaining about republicans and how bad they are...its a pitiful joke.....why don't we just get rid of all parties and vote for individuals....solve all problems....no straight tickets.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:08:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		read on bill lear, jrs. blog that he said obama is a muslim.  he crushes bush for all the problems but said that obama is full of rhetoric.  obviously he hasn't listened to mccain, who according to his own admissions, supported bush 90-95% of the time.   read that blog and see how this guy is filled with hate.  

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:09:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what I read, most of the posters here don't care about the facts.  The opinion of Bill Lear, in my estimation, is nothing compared to mine.  I've lived through the depression, WWII, and the rest... and I've served in the military, worked my way through college as a steelworker, and I've survived as an educator.  I've worked hard, raised a family, and paid my taxes.  I hate ignorant and prejudiced responses to issues that will impact my children.  We have a choice this year between an intellectual and an emotional reactionary.  I'd rather have someone intelligent running the country.  You decide who is most able to lead based on an intelligent assessment of our circumstances.  May the good lord guide you.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:11:12 PM   
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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:23:36 PM   
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On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama






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The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17
FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)
5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.
6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)
7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)
14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)
15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.
16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.
 

















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Obama on registering the nation's gun owners





Concealed Carry
"...I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry," Obama said. Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004
Ammunition Retrictions -- "micro-stamping"
"There was a discussion today about a law that has just passed in California that allows micro-tracing of bullets that have been discharged in a crime so that they can immediately be traced," he said. "This is something that California has passed over the strong objections of the NRA…That's the kind of common sense gun law that gun owners as well as victims of gun violence can get behind." Barack Obama, Feb. 15, 2008 Baltimore Sun.com Feb. 15, 2008
Local Gun Bans
"I think that local jurisdictions have the capacity to institute their own gun laws…The City of Chicago has gun laws, as does Washington, D.C.," he said. Barack Obama, Feb. 15, 2008 Baltimore Sun.com
Licensing and Registering gun owners
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done.
2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas  Jan 15, 2008










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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:33:41 PM   
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No, I can't read, but I can do math. 28-8 for his service leaves 20 years as an expat...my bad.  He only chose to live somewhere else for a measly twenty years.  I mean, I guess if you're ultra rich, let me see, what is it...you only have to pay taxes on the first 75,000 you make abroad...the rest is tax free. 

What I don't need is one more rich fu%k speaking down to me about what I know, don't know or how I should listen to him because he has the latest in "wrap myself in the flag" scare politics. The title of that piece is laughable...that guy is anything but humble.  His rant comes across like an O'Reilly segment...holier than thou, "I'm in the know there peasant" and humble my ****!  If he's for McCain, great, I hope he donated thousands to his campaign.  His points are shallow, his tone is arrogant and I can smell his richy rich entitlment rolling off the page.  Let me guess, he'll probably move to another country if Obama gets elected.  The rest of us will live here chugging along no matter who gets elected, we don't have a choice. 

I've had a bad week and that guy pi$$e$ me off quite frankly. Nothing personal eyesandgills. 

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		s10, i am a gun owner just like you and though presidents have tried to change the constitution, it has stood strong.  i don't think there is anyway this government can take away my or your guns.  they can make us poor but they will have a hard time disarming us.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:45:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		"...I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry," Obama said. Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004


states rights override however he may feel on this and other gun issues.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 7:54:20 PM   
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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:08:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I truely do not know who to vote for. I was a McCain supporter,well more like I didn't like Obama, but McCains VP choice has thrown a wrench into my decision making process..... If he dies do we want her in charge, I mean she seems ok but to run my Country....I don't know..

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:11:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		One more liberal Judge and you won't have any guns. Obama has voted 97% liberal Dem. Is that change.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:21:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		bush and mccain have voted together 95% of the time and look at what has happened to this country.  feel like i am living in the nixon era again.  what you are saying is that it is okay for repubs to vote along party lines (change?) but not okay for a dem to do the same (?).  it is going to take a new direction and bipartisonship to fix our problems.   

One more liberal Judge and you won't have any guns............................ain't gonna happen, no matter who says it will.  worse case scenario, they may try to do some kind of registration of assault rifles.  the way i see it, the street punks have the good weapons and the law needs us to keep ours to help out in the fight.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:27:29 PM   
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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:28:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find that hard to believe. S-10, you're good at posting articles or so called fact that no one can prove- you're a pot stirrer republican lover. The sooner you find out that a majority of politicians are scum regardless of party line, the smarter you'll be. Scare tactics from both sides and we all buy into it. F-ing shame. I think these are the worst 2 picks we could ever have considering the economy and our status as a superpower(I liked Ron Paul, but he is too edgy I guess). McCain will sell us out to big business like we have been and Obama will tax the crap out of us and screw up world politics with his inexperience. Sure I'm leaving stuff out because I could right a 200 page book on what is wrong with BOTH candidates.

We are all in for an interesting ride, and it isn't going to be a good one.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:37:19 PM   
S-10

 

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Goby== Read the whole article, all the proof is at the bottom for each one of the claims. All you have to do is take the time to click on them and read. The NRA doesn't play politics, they have only one agenda and that is to protect the rights of gun owners.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:37:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		They are all full of $hit because the voters can't handle someone that tells the truth or Perot would have been elected...

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:55:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		One more liberal Judge and you won't have any guns............................ain't gonna happen, no matter who says it will.  worse case scenario, they may try to do some kind of registration of assault rifles.  the way i see it, the street


YEP--The folks in Britain and Austrailia had their heads in the sand too and now some of the same people who made those bans happen are working on getting rid of ours.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 8:58:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: S-10


"The NRA doesn't play politics", they have only one agenda and that is to protect the rights of gun owners.


I am completely for gun ownership, but to say the NRA does not play politics is completely ignorant.

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RE: Bill Lear says it best! - 10/21/2008 9:00:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		If this is really from Bill Lear, then shame on him, I guess he did not learn a thing in his 80 years.  To say screw the world, is to say that he has no clue as to the direction that this world has already moved in, that is a global economy.  To ignore this and take the protectionist route would be extremely dangerous for this country.  In my stupid opinion of course!

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