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RE: where does it end? - 10/4/2008 10:28:56 PM   
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 The kid isn't even old enough to drive and he can already see through Spoons political spin, love it.  You can blame Bush for many things but not for the finianicial mess the country is in. It was started by Carter and made law by Clinton to force the banks to lend to shaky borrowers in a well meaning but dumb attempt to put low income folks into houses they couldn't afford. The Lenders saw a way to make some money off something they were forced to do Then Pelosi, Obama, Frank and others who got big donations from the lenders stopped all attempts to regulate them. The Repubs aren't completely innocent but this was the Dems ball game. Lots of info on the whole mess if you do a bit of research. Berk, don't be afraid to challenge what you know is incorrect from any of us. 

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RE: where does it end? - 10/4/2008 10:41:00 PM   
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WHY I AM VOTING DEMOCRAT


I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't have to hide from us over there and they come over here I don't want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.  

I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want.   I've decided to marry my horse.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profit of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't. 

Rapall--Not exactly the definition of a liberal but close enough

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RE: where does it end? - 10/5/2008 8:45:51 AM   
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groan....too much hate...you can have this thread.  uh, i am anything but a republican of the rove ilk, but i am nothing like the above.  i will pray for you in church today.

btw, as for cons. repubs:

colin powell was pro choice
dick cheney has a gay daughter
sarah palin got mad at oil companies and got windfall profits distributed
as for the gov spending, we have the largest deficit ever
as for iraq...why are we there
as for abortion, the republican party, when they controlled the house, the  ---senate and the white house, never did challenge roe vs. wade

and everyone one of your items above could be met tit for tat and refuted.  and where does it get us?  something is wrong and some people turn into lemmings and are lead to the slaughter.  as for me, i will continue to question and refuse ever to be a puppet of any political party.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/5/2008 11:17:08 PM   
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rapala,
a liberal is one who practices liberalism; these people always want to "progress" or "reform"; some one who is a "free thinker" one who does not favor traditional ideas and values.

Spoon,
al gore= biggest idiot ever he drives around in limos, flys in private jets,  uses more electricity in his house then some neighbors do, and then has the nerve to tell others to do different.  Mr do as I say not as I do.  Mister lets make a documentary about this horrible thing that we humans have created and use digitally edited video to display this.  If carbon dioxide was the reason our earth was warming then it would have done this way before now, cow **** gives off co2 but u dont see liberals blaming the cows do you, how long have people been farming cows anyway since the middle ages?!?!

john kerry= Mr. Patriotic he burns the AMERICAN FLAG!!!!!  Mr lets raise the mininmum wage so we can just drive the costs of things up beacuse small buinesses will have to pay there workers more to process the goods which drives the cost up and also lets reduce jobs in the process by making it harder for an employer to pay all there employes.  He, like every other liberal, is a big global warmist and thinks its our fault not just that the sun is in a high period of activity, I mean it never just gets hot or cold without reason just look at the iceage all humans fault.

Bush= a real retard passed no child left behind, Kerry supported, which does nothing execpt make teachers teach to the test that is given by the state, i have first hand knowledge of this.  Last year in trig i spent 2 months preparing for the PSSA and not learning trig.  Mr. Lets get us in a $9 Trillion debt, Mr. sign the economic stimulus package causing mass inflation decreasing the value of the dollar and making us more in debt, Kerry supported this too. So wen you look at it Bush is by far the better choice for America because most of the bad stuff he did Kerry voted for and Al Gore probably supported

S-10,
I am old enough to drive I'm 17 I'm a senior at Greater Johnstown High School I also do no that the GOP isn't innocent and i love you post on why you are voting democrat lol


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RE: where does it end? - 10/5/2008 11:37:37 PM   
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That is why your 17, you don't KNOW(proper spelling) s**t yet. Start paying taxes, getting a career job, owning a home, having children,  or saving for your retirement. Don't believe the kool-aid everyone on both sides are telling you. BOTH are in with lobbyists and big business.

Both sides can put up charts, graphs, and articles; but you have to weed through most of the partisanship. Look at the economy, dollar value, home sales, interest rates, oil costs, and national debt before you choose sides. It was better 10 and 20 years ago than the last 4.

We are all going to take a bite of a big sh!t sandwich in the next couple years.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/6/2008 12:01:49 AM   
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a liberal is one who practices liberalism; these people always want to "progress" or "reform"; some one who is a "free thinker" one who does not favor traditional ideas and values

son, then dems are not liberals.  i favor traditional ideas and values.  i am also a reformer.  learn now that you can not lump everyone into one of two idealogies.  and before you bash one or the other, live a little and learn.  you are too young to have hateful opinions.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/6/2008 12:29:56 AM   
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Hey Rap, I was a Republican at 17 and believed in abortion. Now after having children and a few years past, I am an Independent and have switch a lot of thoughts I had early on in life. Time makes a person wise, all should consult their elders to form the total opinion. They have been on this rock to see a lot more than you.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/6/2008 6:57:42 AM   
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Berk,

"and thinks its our fault not just that the sun is in a high period of activity,"

Fact is the sun, is in the longest period of IN-activity in recorded history.

"john kerry= Mr. Patriotic he burns the AMERICAN FLAG!!!!! "

First of all, he NEVER burned a flag. And second, he served honorabley, AND voluntarily, in the US navy

As for your take on the minimum wage. Your assertion of higher prices, and job losses haw been never historically come to pass. Bill Clinton, raised both taxes , AND the minimum wage, and we saw job GROWTH five times higher than under Bush.


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RE: where does it end? - 10/6/2008 11:01:06 AM   
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Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. In earlier posts it was suggested to legislate that 75% of the parts of various things be made in this country. Anybody remember the early 70's? Chevy Vega vs VW Beetle? You could buy a new Vega for $1995 and a Beetle was $1700. Detroit was successful in lobbying congress and got an import tariff placed on the Beetle, raising it's price to $2200. Did it work? Yes, Chevy immediately raised the price of the Vega to $2400.

The programs to "help" low income people buy housing that they couldn't afford are a big part of our problem. Not only did they end up hanging those people, but it also ruined the dream for those who worked hard, saved and purchased the home that they could afford. The more we hand to the people the less they are willing to work for and the more dependent they become on the government. There's lots of blame to go around for the way things are, but these programs are the spawn of the Democrat party.

Like several of you I've probably passed the half way point, but I am concerned for my children and their children. If we keep teaching the youth of this country that they don't have to work for anything or try to better themselves, there will be more trouble in the future. Mr. Obama wants to increase the minimum wage every year. I'm sorry, but those jobs aren't supposed to be life long jobs. There are some jobs that are only worth so much, if you want to make more change jobs or get two jobs. I have worked two or three jobs most of my life, not alot of fun and cuts into the leisure time but if you want more you have to work for it.

There was also a post about manufacturing getting us out of the last depression. That is partly correct, it was manufacturing... for the war.

One other observation, seems like the Nixon/Kennedy race was the real turning point in this country. Remember that debate? Pasty white Nixon with the 5 o'clock shadow vs Kennedy with the make-up. The beginning of the media's power to influence politics and policy. It took the media over a year to convince the people of this country that the economy was in trouble and point the finger at their chosen party. I fear though that they have done too good of a job and have handicapped either party going forward.

Is McCain the perfect candidate? No. Unfortunately, this election has gone the way of too many in recent memory. I'll be voting for the candidate that I believe will do the least harm and on that front, I think, he's the only choice.

This country has been on the downslide for a long time, but is there a better place on this earth to live? If you answered yes, then go there!

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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 3:49:31 PM   
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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 7:45:07 PM   
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Hey Berk,

Real nice repetition of most of the talking points you have heard over the last couple of years.  Good for you, you can remember what Sean Hannity says and repeat it admirably...at will.  We'll know you've grown up a bit once you come up with an original political idea that you haven't gobbled up off the FOX news channel and regurgitated.  I smell O'Reilly actually, especially with the NCLB rant, with a dab of vindictive Hannity lies and character assasination to top things off (probably where you got the Kerry lies about the flag burning). You probably thought Palin won the debate too...awwwww...how cute.
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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 8:12:07 PM   
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There is one main issue w/ this whole housing and letting the not so perfect person purchase a home, it is true that clinton continued the help the less than desirable credit individual buy that home. But, at the same time the bush admin. allowed for self-regulating of the banking industry, this is where it went sour. It like letting the fox watch the chickens. This is also the same idea that McCain has for the health care industry. Wonder how that will work out.


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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 8:21:50 PM   
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LDD, it is funny that peoples expectations of palin was to fall on her face and the moment she didn't she won. Granted she never answered any questions that were presented to her but hell she winked at me. This is the trust me(wink, wink), I'm on your side(wink, wink), and you know what I betcha(wink,wink), will see it my way.
Lets also not forget the lack of any knowledge on her part. That to me is priceless, but then again if your a hockey mom or joe six-pack she sees things your way. The best is the shout out to the 3rd graders, so now what is she on some game show? What an absolute fool.
To me the total lack of respect towards Joe Biden has to be the best ever, at times calling him Joe. You always show a person respect do to them. That to me shows she thought he was communicating at a PTA meeting.
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Hey Berk,

Real nice repetition of most of the talking points you have heard over the last couple of years.  Good for you, you can remember what Sean Hannity says and repeat it admirably...at will.  We'll know you've grown up a bit once you come up with an original political idea that you haven't gobbled up off the FOX news channel and regurgitated.  I smell O'Reilly actually, especially with the NCLB rant, with a dab of vindictive Hannity lies and character assasination to top things off (probably where you got the Kerry lies about the flag burning). You probably thought Palin won the debate too...awwwww...how cute.
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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 8:27:32 PM   
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Clinton and Congress passed the laws that forced the Banks to make these loans. The banks tried to find a way to make some money off of them. Congress has a 13% approval rating and the Dems stopped the attempt to regulate them two years ago. Congress just took 850 billion of our money to fix a mistake they are responsible for and the market has dropped like a rock since. Are you sure they are the ones you want regulating anything. My vote would be for anything but the above. Buffett maybe.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 8:56:03 PM   
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Heres a question then for you. Congress lets assume you are correct w/ the notion that the dems blocked a position to regulate. Given that thought what happened to the prior 6 yrs under a rep. lead congress that stopped them from passing it if it was known to be of any danger at the time. So don't pass a buck onto someone else if the prior yrs the control was there. I'm sorry I'm going to wash my hands of it, I know it's harmful but what the heck we'll wait and blame it on someone else later after we got everything out of it we could.

Again it's the bush admin. that said lets have it regulate itself. We let the people w/ their hands in the cookie jar control the jar and its contents.
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Clinton and Congress passed the laws that forced the Banks to make these loans. The banks tried to find a way to make some money off of them. Congress has a 13% approval rating and the Dems stopped the attempt to regulate them two years ago. Congress just took 850 billion of our money to fix a mistake they are responsible for and the market has dropped like a rock since. Are you sure they are the ones you want regulating anything. My vote would be for anything but the above. Buffett maybe.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 9:12:49 PM   
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Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. In earlier posts it was suggested to legislate that 75% of the parts of various things be made in this country. Anybody remember the early 70's? Chevy Vega vs VW Beetle? You could buy a new Vega for $1995 and a Beetle was $1700. Detroit was successful in lobbying congress and got an import tariff placed on the Beetle, raising it's price to $2200. Did it work? Yes, Chevy immediately raised the price of the Vega to $2400.

The programs to "help" low income people buy housing that they couldn't afford are a big part of our problem. Not only did they end up hanging those people, but it also ruined the dream for those who worked hard, saved and purchased the home that they could afford. The more we hand to the people the less they are willing to work for and the more dependent they become on the government. There's lots of blame to go around for the way things are, but these programs are the spawn of the Democrat party.

Like several of you I've probably passed the half way point, but I am concerned for my children and their children. If we keep teaching the youth of this country that they don't have to work for anything or try to better themselves, there will be more trouble in the future. Mr. Obama wants to increase the minimum wage every year. I'm sorry, but those jobs aren't supposed to be life long jobs. There are some jobs that are only worth so much, if you want to make more change jobs or get two jobs. I have worked two or three jobs most of my life, not alot of fun and cuts into the leisure time but if you want more you have to work for it.

There was also a post about manufacturing getting us out of the last depression. That is partly correct, it was manufacturing... for the war.

One other observation, seems like the Nixon/Kennedy race was the real turning point in this country. Remember that debate? Pasty white Nixon with the 5 o'clock shadow vs Kennedy with the make-up. The beginning of the media's power to influence politics and policy. It took the media over a year to convince the people of this country that the economy was in trouble and point the finger at their chosen party. I fear though that they have done too good of a job and have handicapped either party going forward.

Is McCain the perfect candidate? No. Unfortunately, this election has gone the way of too many in recent memory. I'll be voting for the candidate that I believe will do the least harm and on that front, I think, he's the only choice.

This country has been on the downslide for a long time, but is there a better place on this earth to live? If you answered yes, then go there!


Well said Bulldog. I also think that with the transition from manufacturing to "service" industry has a lot to do with the slide also. There's only so many good paying jobs to go around.

It really is sickening to see the finger pointing as to what he said/she said, they did it, no- THEY did it on T.V. with our elected officials.  I don't think one party is truly to blame. There's paper trails with both parties signatures on them. Just some a LITTLE more than others. Hopefully the bailout will get the confidence back for the markets so to speak. We will/would have paid for it one way or the other. It just seems nobody is accountable for their actions anymore. IE: banks/lenders making the bad loans.

Berk, It is good your interested in politics. It's your future too.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were no dems or repub's and a person ran for election on his/her merits/accomplishments... So many signatures needed to get on primary ballot (a real grassroots effort), Fed. gov. gives the top three vote getters from a primary say $25 million and that's it for them to spend on their campaign. No more campaign contributions/LEGAL BRIBES in my opinion. So many manditory debates for them to participate in... limited commercials... Whooops, there goes the alarm clock, time to wake up. 



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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 9:21:50 PM   
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Salty-- they were regulated, congress forced them to finance houses for people who couldn't afford them. In fact they passed regulations which increased the percent of low income families they had to finance every year. Fannie and freddie fought them in the beginning until they figured how they could do what congress forced on them and still make some money.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 9:26:40 PM   
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Bill Clinton 1996 On The Issues
Expanding Affordable Housing

"Over the past few years, I have emphasized three basic ideas—community, opportunity and responsibility—that I believe are at the heart of a more dynamic and prosperous America. The priorities of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, from making sure that hardworking Americans realize the dream of home ownership, to addressing the tragedy of homelessness, are outstanding examples of how our government can empower people and institutions.”
—President Bill Clinton

President Clinton recognizes that Americans’ homes are central to their lives.  He is working to increase housing opportunities for all Americans, make homes and communities safer and more secure, and reinvent the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to meet America’s housing and community development needs. The Clinton Administration is implementing the most far-reaching changes in public housing in decades—demolishing the worst housing developments, cracking down on bad management, rewarding residents who work, and combatting crime.
He is transforming public housing by:






Helping increase the nation’s home ownership rate to its highest level in 15 years.






Entering into an unprecedented partnership with more than 50 key public- and private-sector organizations to form a National Home Ownership Strategy. Coupled with a stable economy and low interest rates, this initiative is working to help 8 million more families become homeowners by the year 2000.






Revamping the Federal Housing Authority (FHA) to meet the needs of today’s consumers—through streamlining and consolidating services and automating functions using the latest technologies. FHA is also providing home purchase loans for low-income and minority home buyers at more than twice the rate of conventional home purchase loan insurers.






Working to reduce barriers to home ownership caused by unlawful discrimination. To date, HUD has signed 70 “Best Practices” agreements with key lenders that are resulting in more fair lending practices and expanded opportunities for low-income and minority families.






Fulfilling his promise to permanently extend the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit, spurring the private development of low-income housing and helping to build more than 120,000 homes each year.






Launching an innovative public-private partnership initiative to encourage pension funds to invest in the production and rehabilitation of affordable multi-family housing. These partnerships will create 3,500 units of affordable housing for working families and the elderly.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 9:41:12 PM   
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Interesting article from 2003. Looks like we're finding out now what some predicted....http://www.nhi.org/online/issues/127/homeownership.html

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RE: where does it end? - 10/7/2008 11:52:13 PM   
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Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers







Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.
Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis. This threat was so clear that as New York attorney general, I joined with colleagues in the other 49 states in attempting to fill the void left by the federal government. Individually, and together, state attorneys general of both parties brought litigation or entered into settlements with many subprime lenders that were engaged in predatory lending practices. Several state legislatures, including New York's, enacted laws aimed at curbing such practices.







What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.
Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.
Let me explain: The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.
In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.
But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.
Throughout our battles with the OCC and the banks, the mantra of the banks and their defenders was that efforts to curb predatory lending would deny access to credit to the very consumers the states were trying to protect. But the curbs we sought on predatory and unfair lending would have in no way jeopardized access to the legitimate credit market for appropriately priced loans. Instead, they would have stopped the scourge of predatory lending practices that have resulted in countless thousands of consumers losing their homes and put our economy in a precarious position.
When history tells the story of the subprime lending crisis and recounts its devastating effects on the lives of so many innocent homeowners, the Bush administration will not be judged favorably. The tale is still unfolding, but when the dust settles, it will be judged as a willing accomplice to the lenders who went to any lengths in their quest for profits. So willing, in fact, that it used the power of the federal government in an unprecedented assault on state legislatures, as well as on state attorneys general and anyone else on the side of consumers.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/8/2008 12:56:39 AM   
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The guy who wrote that, isn't he the one busted with the hooker? lol!


Here's what the changes were.

http://www.allbusiness.com/personal-finance/real-estate-mortgage-loans/140507-1.html 

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RE: where does it end? - 10/8/2008 2:48:38 AM   
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 The kid isn't even old enough to drive and he can already see through Spoons political spin, love it.  You can blame Bush for many things but not for the finianicial mess the country is in. It was started by Carter and made law by Clinton to force the banks to lend to shaky borrowers in a well meaning but dumb attempt to put low income folks into houses they couldn't afford. The Lenders saw a way to make some money off something they were forced to do Then Pelosi, Obama, Frank and others who got big donations from the lenders stopped all attempts to regulate them. The Repubs aren't completely innocent but this was the Dems ball game. Lots of info on the whole mess if you do a bit of research. Berk, don't be afraid to challenge what you know is incorrect from any of us. 


YOU can blame bush. What are we 12 trillion in debt, is that carters or clintons fault. Do a bit of research on your republican party, there is plenty of blame.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/8/2008 3:05:36 AM   
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S-10 has been shilling for the Republican party as long as I can remember seeing his posts. Why would you doubt that?

Until he understands that both parties are to blame and there is a country club atmosphere in Washington, he will continue to spew his Hannity, Limbaugh stuff. Pay no mind to him.

S-10......don't you think both parties are to blame in this situation? And don't post some BS partisan article, tell us how you really feel and what you believe.

< Message edited by gobyking -- 10/8/2008 3:10:20 AM >

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RE: where does it end? - 10/8/2008 4:57:15 AM   
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Absolutely they are and if you really read my posts I have stated that many times. What I do is post proof to counterdict posts like Spoons and others that DO just follow the Dems party lines. I can't help it if Clinton Gore took full credit for putting people in houses they couldn't pay for. If you notice I DON"T put articles on here from partisan sources. Bush made enough mistakes by himself(as I have said before) you don't have to blame him for the mistakes the Dems made.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/8/2008 6:56:54 AM   
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The guy who wrote that, isn't he the one busted with the hooker? lol!

uh,  cheney, delay, rush, and a whole lot of others have been busted lately for many things and most have written articles and given interviews..  bunches of them.  that is what i was alluding to...tit for tat..........


If you notice I DON"T put articles on here from partisan sources...........you're not serious, are you? 



both parties are to blame and there is a country club atmosphere in Washington,

that is the point i have been trying to make forever.  we have to force out the current and demand integrity from the new.  things have never been as bad as they are in my lifetime.  the economy, the war, and the immorality of judgements in our capital.

btw, i vote bush over gore in 80.  have voted republican many times in the past.  i am not (think i said this before) a puppet of any party and will not vote party lines.  this is not a sports team that i am rooting for and feel they must win.  

again, we have been duped by the current administration on all fronts and that is probably why the discontent.

my point here is that whatever crap can be blamed on one side, it is easy to find a way to blame the other party also.  tit for tat.  and we will never know what goes on behind the closed doors in d.c. but i think that the game of partisinship is a facade.

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RE: where does it end? - 10/8/2008 10:10:18 AM   
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We just need to change the oath of office for all federal seats and add the line from the hypocratic oath. "First do no harm". Wouldn't make any difference though, they swear to uphold and defend the constitution now.


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