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Stillhead -> Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 9:26:18 AM)

Just thought I'd share, I found a rare King salmon in a Lake Erie trib yesterday. Unfortunately it was dead. Not from spawning, something killed it before it had a chance to spawn. It was only about 8lbs, maybe 9.



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pxatim -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 9:33:43 AM)

Pics???

If you did post one photobucket is blocked at work so sorry..



tippecanoe -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 9:43:15 AM)

not to be all csi an at, but did it have any marks on it?



KJH807 -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 9:48:45 AM)

smAlL



Stillhead -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 9:50:12 AM)

None that I seen. It was a little discolored from being dead for a while. It was sunk to the bottom of an eddy. Facing right at me with it's mouth open. I noticed the color so I drug it out to take a closer look.

The stream that I was on was very low previously but fish had been moving up it. It rose a little the last day or two. I think this crazy fish probably beached it self on it's way upstream and died. Then was washed back down with the slight increase in water flow. Who knows, could have been anything that killed it.  Could have been hooked and fought to long by someone.



Cold -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 9:51:48 AM)

I havent had any experience with salmon...so how can you tell it apart from any other salmon or steelhead?  To my untrained eye, it looks slightly different from a steelie, but I cant quite put my finger on how.



pxatim -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 9:59:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tippecanoe

not to be all csi an at, but did it have any marks on it?


I heard donnie iris straight rocked him to death



Stillhead -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:01:50 AM)

The easiest is the black inside the mouth.  But also the long anal fin, the fin in front of the tail. See how many "rays there are on it. If you were to take your hand and push the front of the fin back, it would not extend to the back of that fin.  A trout, or even a coho fin, doesn't have as many rays, so when you bend than front ray back, it covers the entire length of that fin.



razmatazz05 -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:02:44 AM)

dark inside of mouth is easiest way to determind salmon vs. trout.

and someone get Donnie Iris up there to Rock him back to life!



brown_trt -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:05:11 AM)

it doesnt show any signs of too low dissolved oxygen or too low/high pH....so, my guess would be either like previously mentioned, either beached earlier in the week(which i would think that wouldnt be the case) or an angler played it too long or killed it when they caught it or something..its really hard to say without any clear reason of death...i did notice the little "boil" near its tail...is that infection or is that something in the picture?



Stillhead -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:11:42 AM)

I didn't notice the boil near the tail until you said something, I have no idea what that is.

It's not as unlikely as you might think for them to beach themselves when moving upstream.  If you'd have seen the fish movement on this particular stream the other day, it was very likely that  is what happened. 



brown_trt -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:23:33 AM)

if the boil is just the external showings of something bad on the internal, it could just be a sick salmon[:'(]....never really saw/heard about them beaching themselves...but then again, i've all kinds of different fish do that and thay're not scrambling up a small stream[:D].....good catch on the other thread though..pretty fish...cant wait to get mine.[:)]



D-nymph -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:25:30 AM)

Looks tasty.  I'd smoke that sAmMen!



mikeg -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:26:57 AM)

dId yU fiNd it at dA IgpIn?



D-nymph -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:29:50 AM)

SubReenA lyKEs her SaMMens StinkAY DuUd.



SilverKype -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:44:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stillhead

I think this crazy fish probably beached it self on it's way upstream and died.


Yep yep.  I've seen a few kings do that on Erie tribs.



Roy D. Mercer -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:44:52 AM)

KINGS!!! 
 [sm=2ar15smilie.gif] bRinG iTT



wilbur_83 -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:45:43 AM)

Isnt that sumthin'...

I caught one about 4 years ago...After I released it - it kept coming back...I had to pull my line away from it...darndest thing I ever saw...one pi$$ed off fish....

It was dark brown and was pretty beat up...male



pxatim -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:46:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: brown_trt

i did notice the little "boil" near its tail...is that infection or is that something in the picture?


nah I think it's a little red devil sauce.. from primanti's.. baht an ahr old



SilverKype -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:47:42 AM)

To elaborate a bit more about kings beaching themselves.  I put one back in the stream on Elk once and it jumped back onto shore.  I tried again, and she did it again!!  Hell with it.  Suicidal crazy beeoch.  [sm=eek10.gif]



anadromous -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 10:57:12 AM)

Hence....The Suicide King.
quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverKype

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stillhead

I think this crazy fish probably beached it self on it's way upstream and died.


Yep yep.  I've seen a few kings do that on Erie tribs.



Cold -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 11:16:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: anadromous

Hence....The Suicide King.


Great movie, Suicide Kings.  You seen it?[;)]



JEB -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 11:23:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: razmatazz05

dark inside of mouth is easiest way to determind salmon vs. trout.

and someone get Donnie Iris up there to Rock him back to life!


Only kings & cohos have the black mouth, atlantics don't.



egg sac -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 11:38:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JEB

quote:

ORIGINAL: razmatazz05

dark inside of mouth is easiest way to determind salmon vs. trout.

and someone get Donnie Iris up there to Rock him back to life!


Only kings have the black mouth, coho's & atlantics don't.




Jeb once again you are wrong.. Kings have black mouth black gums, cohos have black mouth white gums. the farthest most front part of the upper mouth on a coho is always white but it lower mouth can at times be super black but it gums wll always be white. now a king is like all black inside upper mouth and all. PA's coho we had in the past did not get as black a mouth as the one from NY ontario tribs do.



egg sac -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 11:41:30 AM)

that is without a dought a king salmon. No need to even see a pic of inside its mouth the tail and anal fin tell the story for sure.



JEB -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 3:01:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: egg sac


quote:

ORIGINAL: JEB

quote:

ORIGINAL: razmatazz05

dark inside of mouth is easiest way to determind salmon vs. trout.

and someone get Donnie Iris up there to Rock him back to life!


Only kings  & Cohos have the black mouth, atlantics don't.




Jeb once again you are wrong.. Kings have black mouth black gums, cohos have black mouth white gums. the farthest most front part of the upper mouth on a coho is always white but it lower mouth can at times be super black but it gums wll always be white. now a king is like all black inside upper mouth and all. PA's coho we had in the past did not get as black a mouth as the one from NY ontario tribs do.


Eggie quit bashing me(LOL) I stick up for you all the time
You misread my post look at the original & disregard the (Edited note)
At least I mentioned your big coho & brookie.
wheres the pic of the Pinook ?
PM me ! 



JEB -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 3:05:44 PM)

I wish I could have hooked that B4 it died.



Deadbolt401 -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 4:39:27 PM)

Maybe he was jamming the new metallica so loud on his IPOD he got attacked by a sasquatch.



avidangler -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 4:46:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Deadbolt401

Maybe he was jamming the new metallica so loud on his IPOD he got attacked by a sasquatch.


This was my exact theory on it too!!!  Hahahaha hilarious!!!!!!



CRANKMASTER -> RE: Dead lake Erie King (10/3/2008 8:38:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Roy D. Mercer


How big a boy are youuuuu ? You probably went up there and opened up a can of whoop-a$$ on that fish did'nt ya ??? [sm=anon.gif] LOL !!



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