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pin_drifter -> how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 9:38:11 AM)

Whatever your viewpoint, here's how $700 billion - the figure inked in the initial dead-in-the-water government bailout bill for Wall Street - compares to other vast sums.

NASA in fiscal year 2009 will launch several missions into space and pay for hundreds of people to operate a host of space telescopes and even remote robots on Mars and run a PR and media department that puts most large corporations to shame. The agency's budget: $17.6 billion, or 2.5 percent of the bailout sum.

The National Science Foundation (NSF) has an annual budget of $6.06 billion to support research and education on astronomy, chemistry, materials science, computing, engineering, earth sciences, nanoscience and physics (among others) at more than 1,900 universities and institutions across the United States.

You have to turn to much bigger initiatives, like war and defense, to get beyond this chump change and approach the bailout figure.

From 2003 through the end of fiscal year 2009, Congress has appropriated $606 billion for military operations and other activities associated with the war in Iraq, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). The entire military budget for fiscal 2008 is $481.4 billion.

Social Security is a $608 billion annual program.

Many analysts fear the bailout because the cost must ultimately be borne by taxpayers.

Based on the U.S. Census Bureau's estimate of the current population of about 305 million people, each person would have to pay $2,300 to fund the $700,000,000,000. If each American (including children) paid a dollar a day, it would take more than six years to pay the money in full. One might argue, however, that this $700 billion would be a modest splash in the bucket of national debt, which already stands at well over $9 trillion (which means you already owe $31,642 each).

Even the New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez would lose sleep over all those zeroes. Currently the top paid major league baseball player, Rodriguez takes home $28 million a year, meaning it would take 25,000 A-Rod salaries to carry the $700 billion.

Nobody is rich enough to pay back this $700 billion by himself. In fact, the Forbes 400 richest list recently came out. It would take most of what these 400 people collectively have - a combined net worth of $1.57 trillion - to dig out of this mess.




John 3:16 -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 10:18:50 AM)

Better get printin'  [sm=fun_84.gif]




LDD -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 10:26:03 AM)

Good comparisons pin...it puts the total amount in perspective.




Bughawk -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 11:50:51 AM)

Interesting.  Maybe we should ask Bill Gates to help...

This mess is just too much for me to think about right now.  I am getting a headache trying to keep track of all the zeros....




Carpet Bagger -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 12:06:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pin_drifter

Whatever your viewpoint, here's how $700 billion - the figure inked in the initial dead-in-the-water government bailout bill for Wall Street - compares to other vast sums.

NASA in fiscal year 2009 will launch several missions into space and pay for hundreds of people to operate a host of space telescopes and even remote robots on Mars and run a PR and media department that puts most large corporations to shame. The agency's budget: $17.6 billion, or 2.5 percent of the bailout sum.

The National Science Foundation (NSF) has an annual budget of $6.06 billion to support research and education on astronomy, chemistry, materials science, computing, engineering, earth sciences, nanoscience and physics (among others) at more than 1,900 universities and institutions across the United States.

You have to turn to much bigger initiatives, like war and defense, to get beyond this chump change and approach the bailout figure.

From 2003 through the end of fiscal year 2009, Congress has appropriated $606 billion for military operations and other activities associated with the war in Iraq, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). The entire military budget for fiscal 2008 is $481.4 billion.

Social Security is a $608 billion annual program.

Many analysts fear the bailout because the cost must ultimately be borne by taxpayers.

Based on the U.S. Census Bureau's estimate of the current population of about 305 million people, each person would have to pay $2,300 to fund the $700,000,000,000. If each American (including children) paid a dollar a day, it would take more than six years to pay the money in full. One might argue, however, that this $700 billion would be a modest splash in the bucket of national debt, which already stands at well over $9 trillion (which means you already owe $31,642 each).

Even the New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez would lose sleep over all those zeroes. Currently the top paid major league baseball player, Rodriguez takes home $28 million a year, meaning it would take 25,000 A-Rod salaries to carry the $700 billion.

Nobody is rich enough to pay back this $700 billion by himself. In fact, the Forbes 400 richest list recently came out. It would take most of what these 400 people collectively have - a combined net worth of $1.57 trillion - to dig out of this mess.


And dont you think its money well spent towards Science, Engineering, Computers, Education, and RX than on a war??....I do...

If we could reinvest the money we put into this war into our science, computers, RX and medical procedures, our kids education, and improving higher forms of education we would definatly be in a lot better place here going into 2009....Its a shame how the past 8 years have gone...

We have blown almost a Trillion dollars on a war of borrowed money, and now we are going to bail out 700million dollars to people who poorly invested money that wasnt even theres to begin with....Thats BS and its not a free market economy....




Cold -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 12:30:48 PM)

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And dont you think its money well spent towards Science, Engineering, Computers, Education, and RX than on a war??....I do...


Of course!  It's sad that its a drop in a bucket compared to the amount spent fixing the mistakes of a few corporate idiots.

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We have blown almost a Trillion dollars on a war of borrowed money, and now we are going to bail out 700million dollars to people who poorly invested money that wasnt even theres to begin with....Thats BS and its not a free market economy....


Billion.  With a B.  (Makes it a thousand times worse [;)]).  If we weren't in the desert, we'd have plenty for a bailout, but it still wouldnt be right.  Just kinda makes you lose faith in your country...what good is a vote if your choices are a giant douche and a turd sandwich?




Cold -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 12:31:01 PM)

Double post. [:@]




Cold -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 12:31:31 PM)

Triple Post  ....  damn buttons...




earlysecond -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 2:30:28 PM)

sadlly, many Americans, just those who CARE enough to vote, will go pull the lever for one of the two major party candidates and it will be business as usual!

If you hear either candidate or their VP's promise one social program you will instantly KNOW that they are lying. . .how? because after the last couple of weeks, there will not be enough money to support a single initiative.

I am sitting here typing, recently unemployeed from a job that put me in the top 10% of wage earners in my county due, largely to 2 things:  1. the mere threat that govenrment will further usurp power and take over even more of the healthcare industry.  2. Corporate pirates who lied, cheated and "stole" money equal to the total comp for the 25000 employees of those misplaced.(about 2.5 BILLION)

The system is broken and needs sweeping reforms, back to the roots of what was envisioned by our forefathers.  If we ran our checkbooks the way that your governments run theirs. . .WE would be in jail!

There are no easy answers.  We are talking  about more money than I can comprehend.  I just wish that I knew what action to take ( besides finding a new job).  I have been disenfranchaised by MY govenrment and representatives.  Grab the pitchforks and walk with me?

Brent




doubletaper -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 2:38:36 PM)

we all know by now $700 billion dollars was a big number they just pulled out of thin air. it was a big number to push thru quickly. there was no estimated paper work that showed they either needed or didn't need this much. now, my question is if they would have passed this amount where would the left over $'S WENT?
how many times does congress, of whomever, pick out a $ amount out of thin air and it passes. somewhere there are a lot of cheats and thief's in washington and i'm sure someone up there knows who they are!!!!




PAFISHERMAN1981 -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 2:52:30 PM)

$700 billion can buy alot of beer




doubletaper -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 3:05:43 PM)

buy a lot of beer?  hey, you can buy the whole fricken brewery and have enough for the chips and sulsa!!! [8D]




CRANKMASTER -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 4:11:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cold
your choices are a giant douche and a turd sandwich?



[sm=claps.gif] LMAO




Ax -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 4:44:30 PM)

Heck 700 billion will buy you darn near anything you want.  Heck you can buy the brewery, country the brewery is in (since not many are american any more) and maybe even mexico for the chips and salsa.




Bughawk -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 5:42:15 PM)

Ax,

There are lots of American breweries.  Heck we have one in Erie and one near Cambridge Springs.  Two in our little slice of paradise we call NWPA... and both make some darn good beer...  Next time you are up try a Misery Bay IPA or a Railbender.  If you get here in late fall/early winter look for "Ol Red Scottish Ale.  It is good, but a wee bit on the strong side, if you know what mean...[;)]




pappy69 -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 6:31:05 PM)

Hmmm. well give this a listen, real blues! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8DgP6bbmfM




Cold -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 10:20:37 PM)

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Next time you are up try a Misery Bay IPA or a Railbender.


*Scribbles names down furiously in a notepad*

Care to give us a description of these?[:)]

quote:

maybe even mexico for the chips and salsa.


They might pay you to take Mexico...




pin_drifter -> RE: how much is 700 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (10/1/2008 10:30:51 PM)

WASHINGTON - After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, where Republicans opposition softened. \

Senators loaded the economic rescue bill with tax breaks and other sweeteners before passing it by a wide margin, 74-25, a month before the presidential and congressional elections.

In the House, leaders were working feverishly to convert enough opponents of the bill to push it through by Friday, just days after lawmakers there stunningly rejected an earlier version and sent markets plunging around the globe.

The measure didn't cause the same uproar in the Senate, where both parties' presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, made rare appearances to cast "aye" votes.

In the final vote, 40 Democrats, 33 Republicans and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted "yes." Nine Democrats, 15 Republicans and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont voted "no."

The rescue package lets the government spend billions of dollars to buy bad mortgage-related securities and other devalued assets held by troubled financial institutions.

If successful, advocates say, that would allow frozen credit to begin flowing again and prevent a deep recession.

Even as the Senate voted, House leaders were hunting for the 12 votes they would need to turn around Monday's 228-205 defeat. They were especially targeting the 133 Republicans who voted "no."

Their opposition appeared to be easing after the Senate added $110 billion in tax breaks for businesses and the middle class, plus a provision to raise, from $100,000 to $250,000, the cap on federal deposit insurance.

They were also cheering a decision Tuesday by the Securities and Exchange Commission to ease rules that force companies to devalue assets on their balance sheets to reflect the price they can get on the market.

There were worries, though, that the tax breaks would cause some conservative-leaning Democrats who voted for the rescue Monday to abandon it because it would swell the federal deficit.

"I'm concerned about that," said Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the majority leader.

As revised by the Senate, the package extends several tax breaks popular with businesses. It would keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million middle-income Americans and provide $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana.

It doesn't designate a way to pay for many of the tax cuts, though, angering the House's band of conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats.

Leaders in both parties, as well as private economic chiefs everywhere, said Congress must quickly approve some version of the bailout measure to start loans flowing and stave off a potential national economic disaster.

"This is what we need to do right now to prevent the possibility of a crisis turning into a catastrophe," Obama said on the Senate floor.

In Missouri, before flying to Washington to vote, McCain said, "If we fail to act, the gears of our economy will grind to a halt."

Critics on the right and left assailed the rescue plan, which has been panned by their constituents as a giveaway for Wall Street, and has little obvious direct benefit for ordinary Americans.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., a leading conservative, said the step was "leading us into the pit of socialism."

Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, an independent who's a self-described socialist, said the rescue was fundamentally unfair.

"The masters of the universe, those brilliant Wall Street insiders who have made more money than the average American can even dream of, have brought our financial system to the brink of collapse," Sanders said, and are demanding that the middle class "pick up the pieces that they broke."

Still, proponents argued that the financial sector's woes were already being felt by ordinary people in the form of unaffordable credit and underperforming retirement savings and without the bailout would soon translate into even more economic pain for working Americans, including more job losses.

"There will be no balloons or bunting or parades," when the rescue becomes law, said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman.

But lawmakers will have "the knowledge that at one of our nation's moments of maximum economic peril, we acted — not for the benefit of a particular few, but for all Americans."


The Senate specializes in high-stakes legislating by enticement, and the long list of sweeteners it added was designed to attract votes from various constituencies.

Tax cuts new and old are favorites for most House Republicans, the main target of intense lobbying to gain support for the measure. Help for rural schools was aimed mainly at lawmakers in the West, while disaster aid was a top priority for lawmakers from across the Midwest and South.


Another addition, to extend the deductibility of state and local taxes for people in states without income taxes, helps Florida and Texas, among others.


Increasing the deposit insurance cap was a bid to reassure individuals and small businesses that their money would be safe in the event their banks collapsed. It was particularly geared toward small banks that fear customers will pull their money and park it in larger institutions seen as less likely to fold.


The FDIC would be allowed to borrow unlimited money from the Treasury Department through the end of next year as a way to cover the increased insurance limit. If used, it would be the first time the agency has tapped Treasury for a loan since the early 1990s.


Raising the limit — along with the SEC's decision to ease accounting rules on valuing assets — helped House Republicans claim credit for some substantive changes.


And with constituent feedback changing dramatically since Monday's shocking House defeat and the corresponding market plunge, lawmakers' comfort level with the package increased markedly.




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