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PAFISHERMAN1981 -> Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:19:24 PM)
Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? Which creek is better or are they somewhat the same?

Skip16503 -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:19:50 PM)
Elk

flyfishermanPA -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:22:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PAFISHERMAN1981 Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? Which creek is better or are they somewhat the same? You better hope KJH doesn't get a hold on any of your postes. LOL.

Grendel -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:22:43 PM)
Depends on what kind of "holes" ([:)][:)][:)][:)]) you are looking for. Just kidding...wanted to lighten things up since these types of posts can get a bit fiesty. Just keep in mind, that "holes" are not always the best areas to catch fish. Although some would run by pockets of fish to get their fav hole. Doc

PAFISHERMAN1981 -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:27:39 PM)
Why do people get nasty over someone that is trying to learn and esp. someone new to the game like me???

carcus1211 -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:35:35 PM)
because ppl are ignorant and think that if someone asks a question like this that it will give away one of their 19 generation-family secret fishing spot. my best advice for either elk or walnut...would be to go to both and take a walk and see which one you like.... i personally like walnut better... just my opinion... i think i just like the scenary better... but that said...i just gave away the big secret of Erie Co..... lol....

mikeg -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:38:00 PM)
Elk would offer you more places to fish. But don't rule either one out.....Some days one will fish better than the other depending on flow! Find a handful of spots on both and work them both into your day!

genieman77 -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 5:46:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PAFISHERMAN1981 Why do people get nasty over someone that is trying to learn and esp. someone new to the game like me??? Most are glad to help bait your hook, and tell you how to hold your pole. We'll tell you when to set the hook, and how hard you can pull, if that's your goal. We'll share how to turn the handle on the reel that will wind in the fish. We'll tell you how to cook your catch, for a wonderful dish We'll tell you what boots to wear and how to act. We'll tell you the best places to shop and what to pack. We'll share our wisdom with just one wish You never again ask us, WHERE TO FISH! author; genieman77 circa 2003 yea I know, sometimes I can be a real [sm=asshole.gif] ..L.T.A.

Stillhead -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 6:15:55 PM)
You're OK for a guy with Ohio plates.

anadromous -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 6:22:56 PM)
And the Genie comes out of the lamp...just got to rub him right! Great post!

indsguiz -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 6:52:55 PM)
PAFISHERMAN, Once again, for those who haven't read this anywhere else. The reason some folks get angry is because some of us had to get out and WALK a lot to find a spot to have some semblance of solitude along the creeks. Before the internet the ONLY way was to get out and look for yourself and to develop friendships and aquaintences who would help you learn the skill to be successful. And along the way some of us have found that overlooked piece of water where we can catch a fish or two and not have to deal with someone fishing in our rear pocket. This took years. So we do get a little bent out of shape when we show somebody a nice place and the next week someone else posts "they were really hitting at Folleys'.. And three times the # of fishermen show up there looking for "easy". So while most of us will show you, lead you, and help you on the stream if you seem to be a respectful fisherman we like to get to know who a person is and his type before we take you to our favorite spots. I am always willing to help a willing student. Heck they may know more than I do.

mgolf92 -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 7:01:03 PM)
They are both very similar in structure (carved in shale) and location (NW PA), so naturally they have an almost equal number of "holes", along with runs, pockets, flats, undercut banks...etc. You get the point. Mike

elephanthead -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 7:21:21 PM)
ELK - 243 and Walnut 231 (too close to call) Dave

mikeg -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 7:28:17 PM)
Dave, You forgot about that hole we dug by Marty's barn next to that dead oak tree... So it should be Elk 244 and Walnut 231! [:D] Just having fun with you Fisherman1981!

vinestbrew -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 7:52:23 PM)
Fisherman, I am still new at this (3rd year). When I first started I wondered the same Q's fact is both streams hold lots of fish. And have plenty of holes. I started by going to spots marked on the fish erie maps and exploring from there. Exploring was an enjoyable part of the learning curve. I know you just want to catch fish but come Nov, you can pretty much find fish anywhere you explore. Until then fish the lower sections with the huge crowds...

Loopy -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 7:59:47 PM)
You know he should've included a creek farther west that probably has more holes than both.

Eriefisherman69 -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 8:49:43 PM)
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fishmonger -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 8:49:50 PM)
Elk, but if I were you I'd fish Walnut.

kyler16 -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 8:53:37 PM)
PA basically explore, any where there is water during the cold winter months is usually going to hold steelhead. Like I said before November to late april is great for steelhead fishing. I personally like late march and early april because you get the steelhead along with jumbo suckers. One year I went up to erie by myself with only knowing 3 or 4 spots. it was a thursday 2 years ago when the steelers played the browns. Erie got a hellacious snow storm and i only drove a dodge neon. So I went to walnut access parked and fished up to the manchester hole i saw a total of 3 guys all day fished the manchester hole alone for 2 hours. Then once I figured the plows got to clear some parking in Sterritania i headed out that way on elk and I didnt see anyone on elk all day and had a banner day. Froze covered in snow each time i moved my car i was cleaning snow off of it but That day was great i hope for days like that weather is tough but once you hook into that chrome i dont care how cold it is your blood is a flowing.

FiveMilePete -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 9:09:19 PM)
I don't think he's asking for specific spots. He's asking Walnut or Elk. That's a pretty big area there. It's not like the idiots sending hordes to the hundred yards of 12 mile.

ShutUpNFish -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 9:45:02 PM)
It doesn't matter, as long as you're using the "SKANK" on your hook! Use the "SKANK" and they will come![:D]

avidangler -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 10:42:32 PM)
"SKANK" its whats for dinner..

moooooo4me -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/25/2008 10:53:27 PM)
elk in my opinion is alot bigger and has more holes but wlanut for some reason is alot easier to fish and to share a secret the tubes at elk is a hot spot,, and ive only been up there once this year,, does ne1 know if there is fish at the water fall above the chutes at walnut

HardCore Fisher -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/26/2008 12:12:06 AM)
Elk is a bigger water than Walnut so my guess would be Elk, pretty much to me it seems if you wanna be able to see all fish an put bait in front of their nose, go to Walnut, if you wanna have a little more of a challenge and an not see as many fish (but their usually there), go to Elk when its off color, and fish some of the deeper holes feeling for that strike instead of seeing it. Ronnie

SilverKype -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/26/2008 8:46:23 AM)
PAfisherman81 Focusing on prime water conditions will get you many more fish than knowing which stream has more holes. By prime I mean clarity, flow, and temp. Some of the best areas are tiny seams/pinches, little pockets, that hold 1-3 fish at a time. It's best to focus on these areas if the fish are on the move, instead of fishing the bigger holes. The fish in the holes, could be a sulking fish; which is one you don't want to throw at anyway. Moving fish are always the more willing. The most productive areas of holes are at the head if the fish are moving, and many times the tailout. If the fish are resting, it's certainly best at the tailout. Whether they continue to move, or rest, is dependent on water conditions. But to answer your question, there are more holes on Elk, because of its size and length. It's some 10 miles or so longer than Walnut. That said, both typically fish the best within one day of the other. Walnut is usually prime conditions just before Elk. Bedrock bottomed holes, which is what the majority of PA waters are made of, are some of the least productive areas. Steelhead do not favor light bedrock as they spawn on gravel and light bedrock makes them skittish. They like dark gravel and areas of depth about 3-4 feet. Make any sense? Walcat !!!! [sm=crying5.gif]

griffon -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/26/2008 8:55:57 AM)
Kype, Great points. I have always wondered if the bedrock could be excavated/blown out of long dead stretches to create some nice pools. You wouldn't need to bring in boulders for diggers if you could extrude large enough chunks of the bedrock to accomplish the same thing. I would think that would be a good opportunity for Ohio as well, since some of their larger streams seem to have massive bedrock flats that are unproductive.

D-nymph -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/26/2008 9:00:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: indsguiz Once again, for those who haven't read this anywhere else. The reason some folks get angry is because some of us had to get out and WALK a lot to find a spot to have some semblance of solitude along the creeks. Before the internet the ONLY way was to get out and look for yourself and to develop friendships and aquaintences who would help you learn the skill to be successful. And along the way some of us have found that overlooked piece of water where we can catch a fish or two and not have to deal with someone fishing in our rear pocket. This took years. There was fishing before the internet? [:-]

indsguiz -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/26/2008 9:27:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: D-nymph quote: ORIGINAL: indsguiz Once again, for those who haven't read this anywhere else. The reason some folks get angry is because some of us had to get out and WALK a lot to find a spot to have some semblance of solitude along the creeks. Before the internet the ONLY way was to get out and look for yourself and to develop friendships and aquaintences who would help you learn the skill to be successful. And along the way some of us have found that overlooked piece of water where we can catch a fish or two and not have to deal with someone fishing in our rear pocket. This took years. There was fishing before the internet? [:-] Yes but it was a secret! Just three of us did it!

Uncle Kevin -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/26/2008 10:36:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PAFISHERMAN1981 Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? Which creek is better or are they somewhat the same? As someone who is not a local (6+ hours to get to Erie) I do not have a tremendous amount of time on the tribs but the time that I have spent has been great. I am not one to hold up in a spot for very long and enjoy exploring/working the stream as much as catching some fish. Walk the tribs now before they become elbow to elbow and take advanatge of the low water to survey the contors of the stream beds. This will prove to be an advatage once the we get the much needed rain and the levels rise.

tippecanoe -> RE: Which creek has more holes walnut or elk? (9/26/2008 12:19:24 PM)
elk is bigger, so id say it has more holes. i do better in holes, but ive seen people catch them outta some extremely fast water. not to hijack the thread, but there was a place i fished up there several years ago, and i cant remember where it was to save my life. there was a place to park...it was pretty flat...there was a bridge.. ithink it was shut down idk..and an older brige upstream..it was basically just the pillars or whatever...nice long hole in between...hmm...some holes above... if anyone can help, i know its vague..

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