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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 9/30/2008 8:50:04 AM   
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I picked up a bottle of ROAM the other day too.  Interested to see how it works.  I usually use Silvertop in the late season but I was never really into the scents so much.  I am in a good bottleneck so I see deer scent or no scent during the pre-rut.  I will try and add some data for you in your experiment, if I can remember.  I'll be hunting in 2B in the northern and southern sections. 

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 9/30/2008 9:23:15 AM   
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I was hoping you would join.... cool

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 9/30/2008 12:09:08 PM   
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I'll give it a shot. I'll be hunting 2d,1a,2b,and 2a.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/1/2008 2:11:05 PM   
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What the heck...

I've used Tinks 69 in early October before here in 2F...

Maybe this year I can get some free flies :) :)

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/1/2008 2:34:50 PM   
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I had an 8 pt. lay within 5-6 feet of a scrap I made with another buck (8 pt. I'm guessing) stand beside him.  Then had a 4 pt. walk towards the other.  Because the camera requires a time out, I didn't get to verify if the 4 pt. stopped at the scrape.  I've got the pics, just need to get them on a thumb drive then onto the computer.  While this is not in the target date range, it's probably the only scent I'll be using. 

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/1/2008 3:30:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverKype

I had an 8 pt. lay within 5-6 feet of a scrap I made with another buck (8 pt. I'm guessing) stand beside him.  Then had a 4 pt. walk towards the other.  Because the camera requires a time out, I didn't get to verify if the 4 pt. stopped at the scrape.  I've got the pics, just need to get them on a thumb drive then onto the computer.  While this is not in the target date range, it's probably the only scent I'll be using. 


What was in the scrape? Your hawhiz?

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/2/2008 2:54:16 PM   
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Hey all my name is Chris and I've been on here for a few years now just reading everything and taking it all in. I'm from Altoona and would like to be in this little tourny and will be hunting in 4D more than likely. Good Luck!

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/2/2008 3:18:34 PM   
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Welcome Chris.

Jermey.  Hawhiz.   I always gotta pee.  If I come across a flat area with a decent opening, especially with an overhanging branch, when going into hunt, I usually make a scrape and pee in it.  Just enough to make them stop.   I going to end up peein' out of the tree anyway.    There are charcoal flats all over where I hunt, and deer love scraping on them.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/2/2008 3:19:13 PM   
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Welcome Chris... youre in!

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/3/2008 5:48:03 PM   
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Hey Jeremy its been a while but I figured I'd hop on here to see how everyone is doing. I haven't had much time to get on and since Terry has been gone I don't go or talk fishing any where near as much I'd like. Anyway I'd like to join in your study :-) I should be able to supply data for the 16th-18th. (11th I'm gonna do my first trip to NY for some salmon.) Shoot straight and be safe. GL tomorrow fellas.

Oh yeah. I'm going to be using Tinks 69 doe in heat buck lure and I'll be hunting in 4D all season.


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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/4/2008 11:06:37 AM   
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Hey, glad you could come back around. Good luck, youre in.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/4/2008 3:19:14 PM   
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I believe special golden estrus will b my choice.  What r the dates again? 

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/4/2008 8:29:38 PM   
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Oct 11-18th

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/4/2008 8:44:15 PM   
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Thanks Jeremy.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/5/2008 11:45:18 AM   
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No problem, wanted to let you guys know i tried some dominant buck lure. Doe's could have cared less. One walked up, stuck her nose right in it.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/6/2008 3:47:31 PM   
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Two 8 pts.  The scrape is just to the right and a bit higher than the buck laying down.



4 pt.  Walking towards the other.   Not sure if he stopped at it or not.




Congrats. to the fellas who shot deer.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/7/2008 10:31:01 PM   
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I'm in! I will hunt Monday through Thursday in 2B at least every evening and 2D Friday and Saturday morning and evening. I already put a day dripper at one of my stands in 2D and will use Estrus all week what the heck theres many weeks left. Also I'll move one of my trail cams to the dripper Friday and post any activity if there is any when I'm back on Monday. Good Luck to all and stay safe in the trees!

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/8/2008 12:22:03 AM   
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This is getting interesting, count me in, i'll pick up a 3 pack of Tinks Scent Bombs tomorrow and a variety of other scents, i'm in north central 2A.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/8/2008 12:54:35 AM   
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I guess I'm in too. I'll be hunting in SW 2B and have had a wide 5 pt and a forkhorn 4 pt in the last 2 succesive nights under my stand the 5 pt at 15 yds and the forkhorn at 50 yds. By the time next week rolls around and if I haven't had success, I'l be willing to try anything. We had a bad wasting disease problem here last year and might not get 4 pts on one side if you know what I mean.

What do you guys recommend as the best estrous scent? I heard code blue is it but would like your honest opinions.

PS How is the reconditioned jon boat doing JLH? Sold yet? Nice job on it by the way.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/9/2008 10:44:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gobyking

I guess I'm in too. I'll be hunting in SW 2B and have had a wide 5 pt and a forkhorn 4 pt in the last 2 succesive nights under my stand the 5 pt at 15 yds and the forkhorn at 50 yds. By the time next week rolls around and if I haven't had success, I'l be willing to try anything. We had a bad wasting disease problem here last year and might not get 4 pts on one side if you know what I mean.

What do you guys recommend as the best estrous scent? I heard code blue is it but would like your honest opinions.

PS How is the reconditioned jon boat doing JLH? Sold yet? Nice job on it by the way.


The boat is awesome, nope, didnt sell it. I didnt advertise it other then here. Really dont want to sell it. Trying to figure another way around it.

Thanks for the compliments.

Im a fan of code blue and docs, i wanna try james valley. I think gels may be a better scent in that they really dont break down as fast.

Anything you use is only good for about a week, then you gotta pitch it. Once you break that seal the clock starts.


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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/10/2008 2:19:57 PM   
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BUMP... Starts Tomorrow!

Reminder:
You dont have to do this every day. Only try it as many times as you wish between this saturday and next. You must try it at least one morning or evening to qualify for the flies.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/10/2008 2:20:30 PM   
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Any last minute entries must be in before midnight tonight.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/11/2008 8:25:21 PM   
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Got out this morning.  Put out Tink's 69 via scent bomb -- not much action but had a 4 point come in to 20 yards.  He didn't seem too interested in the scent as he came from a different direction than I had thought it would have come.  That was all other than some deer moving under me before light.

Hunted again in the afternoon -- didn't see anything but a youth small game hunter and father.  They came in almost right on my trail and walked all through the lot I was hunting.  They ended up leaving right around 5:30 but I think the shooting they did screwed up the deer movement.  Didn't see anything at prime time unfortunately.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/11/2008 10:24:38 PM   
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Sat in the same stand that I killed my buck opening day in 2B just to see what was around.  Had estrous drag rag in tree.

One doe fed through about 6:00 followed by a decent 7 point 15 minutes later.  He was dead 10 times.

Anyway, neither seemed to show any interest but not sure that they crossed the scent stream though because of the wind direction.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/13/2008 9:18:25 AM   
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Havent had a chance to try yet this week. I will at some point, havent been in any areas i felt confident that it could make a difference.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/13/2008 8:37:55 PM   
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Used Code Blue estrous on a wick tonight. One doe 80 yards didn't pay attention to it but wasn't close either. At last light a small 4 pt came out of some heavy brush 20 yards from the wick, looked at it, then turned and fed its way up the hollow. Is it possible he may not be interested as he is young ? Might just be too early. 

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/13/2008 8:59:00 PM   
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Could be a combination of things, who knows. Might be just a little early. If youre not seeing negative results id keep trying it till it works.

The scent very well may have brought him out, once he saw there was no doe... he figured see ya.

Always place it past your stand or drag it past your stand. if it stops, they stop.


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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/14/2008 8:51:41 PM   
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Hunt dates: 10-13, evening, 10-14, morning.  Boths trips, I put Tinks #69 on three scent bombs and placed them around the tree I was in.  Climbed same tree both times.  10-13 hunted from 3 pm until about 7.  10-14 hunted 5:30 until 10 AM.  10-13 was cloudy and about 75 degrees. 10-14 dawned clear and sunny and about 55 degrees up to about 65 as the day wore on.

The area: 2A, an oak flat of about 1-2 acres on a hill above a major highway.  I chose this area because I've seen deer there in the past and I felt that there was a good chance that there were deer in the area.  At least one very large buck lives in the area.  This year, acorn production is very light.  There is no agriculture nearby.

Results:  10-13: saw nothing, heard nothing.  It was very warm and I believe that the deer weren't moving during the daylight.  10-14:  There was a lot of snorting both upwind and downwind of me AFTER I was set up.  This went on sporatically throughout the morning, even after it got light.  Before it was light enough to see the ground, I could hear a deer wandering through the underbrush downwind of my position, but I didn't see it.  About 9:00, a doe and two smaller deer bolted out of the underbrush downwind of me and stopped under my tree.  Although they had their tails up, they weren't running out of fright (IMO).  Instead of running in a straight line like they had a pressing appointment in another county (as frightened deer run), they were basically tearing around, pell mell, throughout the forest.  In my experience this type of random running is more consistent with a doe being chased by a buck.  The big doe stopped about ten feet from one of my scent bombs (she was so close to my tree that I couldn't even move, much less shoot-this all happened so fast, I was caught flatfooted).  She seemed to be sniffing the air, but then one of the smaller deer ran a half circle around my tree, crossed in front of the doe and then all three dashed off the way they came.  About a minute later, they came running back in my direction, but the doe stopped about 50 yards out and looked right at me.  I think she busted me at that point.  All three then turned and disappeared for good back in the direction from which they had come.

Conclusion:  I think that the doe definitely noticed the smell of my scent bomb, but I dont think she was lured to me by it.  Based on the movement I heard before it was light enough to see, and the snorting I heard throughout the day, I think it's possible that there was a buck in the area that had picked up the smell.  Since I didn't actually see a buck, this is just speculation on my part.  Maybe he caught a whiff, but didn't see any doe until he came upon the one that ran by my stand.  So, he starts sniffing around her to see if she's the source of the estrous smell, and she wants none of it.  So she and her little ones dash off and wind up running right to me.  The only time I've ever seen does running at random through the woods before this was during the rut.

Did placing scent out this early help:  I think it definitely had an effect.  There is any one of a hundred things I might have done wrong that kept the buck from walking by me, but I do believe he was in the vicinity and if I'd been ready for the doe and her little ones to appear out of nowhere, I'd have shot the doe.  I'll certainly try this again, in the future and maybe later this week if I get the chance.  Sorry so long.  Hope this helps the research.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/14/2008 11:44:02 PM   
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Danesdad, great post. Love to see the history of what your doing.

Well, i seems I may have ruined my honeyhole. I am only hunting 100 yards from a heavily traveled 2 lane road and decided not to use a drag in wick on my boot. I refreshed my wick I still had hanging on the powerline from last night early this morning(6 am). It was a strange morning with the full moon, I could see all the way down the one side of the powerline with the mist in the dark. Saw nothing. Came back this evening, nothing. I'm moving a 1/2 mile away to another spot I have near some train tracks. I got another tip from a lady who walks the tracks every morning that a fellow feeds the deer every night in his back yard. She has a rub in her backyard and she told me there were heavy trails down from one of the hills to his yard. She is tired of them eating al of her plants through the night. Well, I am thinking of putting my stand up a few hundred yards up the hill from his area.

Is that considered bait hunting? Need to know.

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RE: Who wants to help with an experiment? - 10/15/2008 8:02:06 AM   
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Very well could be.


My day to hunt is Thursday afternoon and all day Saturday. Id say saturday morning is my best chance at seeing this work but i will try both days.

Great post DanesDad


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