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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 5:02:41 PM   
Stillhead


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okie dokie, I'll play the same old tired argument too.


I still think the "big" fish we catch (12lbs and up) are 4 1/2 year old fish, that never made a spawning run before. Staying in the lake,unmolested, and feeding.  I do think we have repeat spawners (a small number) and I don't think they are all that much bigger than the first time they ran. The dropbacks first have to put back on a pound or 2 before they get any bigger than they were.

I do know that I fish several times a year after just about everyone has long forgotten about steelhead, and I find plenty full of fight,mostly healthy looking fish. Most of them have wounds/scars/rubbed off fins and tails that I think will eventually due them in to disease (I ain't no biologist or marine proctologist though).  If 4 to 8lb fish making it back to the lake after they spawn are what lead to our big fish in following years, I'd think there would be lots more of those big fish returning each year.  I've happened upon holes full of dropbacks long after everyone forgot about them in past springs that several days later went to the lake after a rain.

I say less fish equals more big fish. More food, less competition, less work for each individual to eat= more pounds put on.


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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 6:12:17 PM   
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Jiggie,

I agree with all that you have said.  I believe that if PA wants to have larger fish, reduce the number of fish it puts out there.  Make the game more challenging.  I might be of the minority opinion that PA should up the creel limit by one.  It is almost sickening to see all those fish trying to survive low/clear conditions.  I practice catch and keep!   lol

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 6:18:21 PM   
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Jiggie,

I agree with all that you have said.  I believe that if PA wants to have larger fish, reduce the number of fish it puts out there.  Make the game more challenging.  I might be of the minority opinion that PA should up the creel limit by one.  It is almost sickening to see all those fish trying to survive low/clear conditions.  I practice catch and keep!   lol

Doc
 agree on that one

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 6:36:27 PM   
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I will even add, as a reminder, the last creel study conducted suggested that approximately 74% of the anglers polled practiced "catch and release."  So inserting slot limits and other special regulations will not serve a greater good.  Finally, I would assert that what people constitute as "catch and release (eg., pulling them on rocks, not wetting hands, keeping them out of water for prolonged periods) does more damage to the fish than good.  I would bet that a significant number would beg to be roped after being caught as opposed to being repeatedly manhandled.

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 6:43:40 PM   
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yeah how many times i seen an anglers boot them to shore,let them roll around in the dirt,(look like they were rolled in flour) then the guy reaches for the hemostats twists it off pushes the dirt coated steelie back in the drink,then looks at you funny when you decide to rope a fish,lol,

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 6:46:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stillhead

okie dokie, I'll play the same old tired argument too.


I still think the "big" fish we catch (12lbs and up) are 4 1/2 year old fish, that never made a spawning run before. Staying in the lake,unmolested, and feeding.  I do think we have repeat spawners (a small number) and I don't think they are all that much bigger than the first time they ran. The dropbacks first have to put back on a pound or 2 before they get any bigger than they were.

I do know that I fish several times a year after just about everyone has long forgotten about steelhead, and I find plenty full of fight,mostly healthy looking fish. Most of them have wounds/scars/rubbed off fins and tails that I think will eventually due them in to disease (I ain't no biologist or marine proctologist though).  If 4 to 8lb fish making it back to the lake after they spawn are what lead to our big fish in following years, I'd think there would be lots more of those big fish returning each year.  I've happened upon holes full of dropbacks long after everyone forgot about them in past springs that several days later went to the lake after a rain.

I say less fish equals more big fish. More food, less competition, less work for each individual to eat= more pounds put on.




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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 6:51:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kokanee Killer

yeah how many times i seen an anglers boot them to shore,let them roll around in the dirt,(look like they were rolled in flour) then the guy reaches for the hemostats twists it off pushes the dirt coated steelie back in the drink,then looks at you funny when you decide to rope a fish,lol,


Yeah...I never understood that.  Guess half-killing them is better than roping them. <shrug>

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 10:46:06 PM   
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I always(exept for 3) let them go.
I,ll hold them in the current and allow the oxygen to flow threw there gills till they swim away on there own. Those fish servived for another fisherman to catch.
That in itself makes me feal good that someone else had a fight with a grand fish that causes such a fever!
Those that keep them , please eat them.
That one you ate might be the one I let go.lol


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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/22/2008 11:17:04 PM   
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It doesn't look like the doggy is too happy with you

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/23/2008 8:21:19 AM   
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Good point Mika. 

Each of us fish for different reasons, but unless you want to eat your fish, please put them back for others to catch. 

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/23/2008 8:37:13 AM   
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we all agree on that guy who lets the fish on land then kicks it back, and he thinks it will live, id say around 75% die after that ,the best way to release is to keep them in the water un hook and let them go, but some guys dont do that oo ya there release all right they may have just beat them befor release. i mean the guy fishing ,hay i rember catching white bass by the buckets when i was a kid and im sure i made a impact ,and do not do that anymore and i am teaching my kids if you dont eat it put it back, dont kill it unless its a goby then a good splatt on the platform for a good release even carp get better treatment or sheephead  unless they are all goofeup

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/23/2008 2:22:03 PM   
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I say raising the minimum size to 24" would be an excellent idea. You still can have fun catching smaller ones, you just can't keep 'em. Of course, I am also in favor of raising the min. walleye size as well, to around 18".

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/23/2008 2:58:11 PM   
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I agree with the desired results, however I have to say adjusting the creel limits would be a crock.  I have no problem with an increased size restriction, because I'm there for big fish.  Anything less than the above mentioned 24" is going back into the water anyways. 

Looking at it from a traveler's perspective, if I am going to drive 2 hours to fish, it'd be nice to keep 3.  Especially since I will be lucky to make it up there 3 or 4 times this fall.  If I get 6 fish I'll be happy and that'll hold me until next season. 

Locals won't keep very many because they can get them whenever they want. 

The only ones you need to worry about are the people who are breaking the laws already, and more laws won't do a thing to stop them.

It's all about cash, and the PFC has a good thing going.  Erie benefits from the tourism, and the PFC gets all the $$$ from the Erie and trout stamps.  If I had to pay $1 a fish to go over my limit I prolly would though because I'd be able to catch my 6 fish in one outing thereby saving the time and gas of another trip.

I guess if you are really concerned about the fish, whenever you catch one you should put it in an aerated cooler and hike it back out to the lake.  Otherwise there isn't a whole lot you can do to make it any easier on em.  Especially not if they are going to die in the tribs anyways.

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RE: Slot limits for steel? - 9/24/2008 7:37:27 PM   
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I make the 5+ hours trudge out to Erie for a week every Jan. I take my 3 fish a day for the 7 days which goes to family members and a few friends. I usually keep about 10 fish for my girlfriend and myself which gets eaten over the course of the rest of the year until I get to make it back out.

I don't really see a slot limit being practical/ enforceable. I wouldn't mind seeing an increased size limit to protect a lot of the jacks come spring though.

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