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RE: Sad statis of Wolfs in Alaska - 9/12/2008 8:57:00 PM   
kevinupp


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Status: online 		After talking to a former classmate who is involved with this "project" and finding the what's, where's and the why's of it I agree with what they're doing and why.



How many people know that since the early 80's they have been doing the same thing here in the lower 48 for coyotes? And before that they used even "crueler" methods?

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RE: Sad statis of Wolfs in Alaska - 9/12/2008 9:03:32 PM   
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Status: online 		Bug, While that is true in theory, it is not true in reality.  Man already does a good job of keeping prey species in check (man is the top predator in every food chain).  There is a balance as to the number of predators that can exist in any ecosystem.  In order to keep any herd healthy there has to be a system of checks and balances.  That is why there are only a select number of permits given to harvest food species.  That is also why there are tags given to assist in controlling other predators.  The difference is that wolves and cats do not read regulation books nor do they have the ability to understand sound game management.  As the dominant predator, that is our job to do.

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RE: Sad statis of Wolfs in Alaska - 9/12/2008 10:26:07 PM   
Over the Hill


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Status: online 		Pappy: thanks for getting it posted, i didn't get that far yet. Here's the AF&G report on wolves:

Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future.
The Alaska Board of Game approves wildlife regulations through a public participation process. When the Board determines that people need more moose and/or caribou in a particular area, and restrictions on hunting aren't enough to allow prey populations to increase, predator control programs may be needed. Wolf hunting and trapping rarely reduces wolf numbers enough to increase prey numbers or harvests.
Currently, five wolf control programs are underway that comprises about 9.4% of Alaska's land area. The programs use a closely controlled permit system allowing aerial or same day airborne methods to remove wolves in designated areas. In these areas, wolf numbers will be temporarily reduced, but wolves will not be permanently eliminated from any area. Successful programs allow humans to take more moose, and healthy populations of wolves to continue to thrive in Alaska.



< Message edited by Over the Hill -- 9/12/2008 10:36:33 PM >

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RE: Sad status of Wolfs in Alaska - 9/13/2008 7:07:41 AM   
bingsbaits


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Status: offline 		You fellas can take your PETA crap and your defense fund articles and pack them .. Know true hunter or fisherman out there would even quote articles from these organizations....Hell they think fishing is bad also. Why not pull up a couple of those articles and see how the steelhead community likes your political BS..

I like how many of you second guess the fisheries and wildlife biologists that work there on how to manage their wolf populations..Guess you all know the Alaska eco system better than them....

If the people running the show in Alaska believe aerial shooting is the only way to control the wolves then have at it...I would think shooting pups in the den would be a very efficient way to control them..
Hell' maybe i can find a video of a wolf pack dragging down a moose calf and eating out his a$$hole while he's still alive.

Don't fall into the PETA trap....The ADF is no better......Aint no Tofu burgers in Alaska.....Eat Meat.....




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RE: Sad statis of Wolfs in Alaska - 9/13/2008 9:06:58 AM   
LDD

 

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Status: offline 		Cow moose seasons are rarely open.  The vast majority of moose hunting is for mature bulls.  This tells me that the concern is that there are not enough Trophy/Mature bulls in some areas.  This would be a major concern for guided hunting operations that have a primary base of operations.  Many Alaskans that I know and from my experiences up there it seems that many, many Alaskans travel great distances to obtain their salmon, moose, caribou. Outfitters can't do this, therefore, if there are certain areas where large wolf populations exist and have put pressure on existing moose populations you can bet these are the areas that are targeted for the sake of the outfitters and the people who fly in from the lower 48 to kill their trophy. 

If the above stated paragraph is true about Palin....

"Clean Water and Pebble Mine

Governor Palin actively campaigned against a state ballot measure this summer aimed at protecting Alaska's Bristol Bay. The mining industry seeks to develop a gold and copper mine in the area that would pollute the Bay's headwaters and threaten the spawning grounds for the largest remaining wild salmon run. The initiative would have prevented large-scale mining operations from dumping waste materials into salmon watersheds."

I Will Not Be Voting for HER.   

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RE: Sad statis of Wolfs in Alaska - 9/13/2008 10:40:35 AM   
Bughawk


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I realize that humans are the top predator since in most ecosystems we have removed most of the predators.  We have the obligation to keep the populations of prey animals such as deer in our area in check. 

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RE: Sad statis of Wolfs in Alaska - 9/13/2008 1:02:20 PM   
Over the Hill


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