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Here's Palin.... - 9/7/2008 7:09:19 PM   
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Man, i love the way she wears the american flag.
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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/7/2008 7:12:31 PM   
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Maybe Obama and Biden aren't such a bad choice after all.......

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/7/2008 7:51:53 PM   
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Ain't photoshop the nuts. I like the one with the miniskirt better.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/7/2008 11:38:17 PM   
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Yeah, I love how someone photoshopped that Schlitz into that guys hand in the background.  Clearly, he should have been drinking a Bud.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 2:54:54 AM   
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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 9:46:03 AM   
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“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.
According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively.
“It was kind of disgusting,” Lucille, who is part Aboriginal, said in a phone interview after admitting that she is frightened of being discovered telling folks in the “lower 48” about life near the North Pole.
Then, almost with a sigh, she added, “But that’s just Alaska.”
Racial and ethnic slurs may be “just Alaska” and, clearly, they are common, everyday chatter for Palin.
Besides insulting Obama with a Step-N’-Fetch-It, “darkie musical” swipe, people who know her say she refers regularly to Alaska’s Aboriginal people as “Arctic Arabs” – how efficient, lumping two apparently undesirable groups into one ugly description – as well as the more colourful “mukluks” along with the totally unimaginative “f**king Eskimo’s,” according to a number of Alaskans and Wasillians interviewed for this article.
But being openly racist is only the tip of the Palin iceberg. According to Alaskans interviewed for this article, she is also vindictive and mean. We’re talking Rove mean and Nixon vindictive.
No wonder the vast sea of white, cheering faces at the Republican Convention went wild for Sarah: They adore the type, it’s in their genetic code. So much for McCain’s pledge of a “high road” campaign; Palin is incapable of being part of one.
Tough Getting People Who Know Her to Talk
It’s not easy getting people in the 49th state to speak critically about Palin – especially people in Wasilla, where she was mayor. For one thing, with every journalist in the world calling, phone lines into Alaska have been mostly jammed since Friday; as often as not, a recording told me that “all circuits are busy” or numbers just wouldn’t ring. I should think a state that’s been made richer than God by oil could afford telephone lines and cell towers for everyone.
On a more practical level, many people in Alaska, and particularly Wasilla, are reluctant to speak or be quoted by name because they’re afraid of her as well as the state Republican Party machine. Apparently, the power elite are as mean as the winters.
“The GOP is kind of like organized crime up here,” an insurance agent in Anchorage who knows the Palin family, explained. “It’s corrupt and arrogant. They’re all rich because they do private sweetheart deals with the oil companies, and they can destroy anyone. And they will, if they have to.”
“Once Palin became mayor,” he continued, “She became part of that inner circle.”
Like most other people interviewed, he didn’t want his name used out of fear of retribution. Maybe it’s the long winter nights where you don’t see the sun for months that makes people feel as if they’re under constant danger from “the authorities.” As I interviewed residents it began sounding as if living in Alaska controlled by the state Republican Party is like living in the old Soviet Union: See nothing that’s happening, say nothing offensive, and the political commissars leave you alone. But speak out and you get disappeared into a gulag north of the Arctic Circle for who-knows-how-long.
Alright, that’s an exaggeration brought on by my getting too little sleep and building too much anger as I worked this article. But there’s ample evidence of Palin’s vindictive willingness to destroy people she sees as opponents. Just ask the Wasilla town administrator she hired before firing him because he rebelled against the way Palin demanded he do his job, or the town librarian who refused to hold the book burning Walpurgisnach Mayor Palin demanded.
Ironically, Palin was pushed into hiring the administrator by the party poobahs who helped get her elected after she got herself into trouble over a number of precipitous firings which gave rise to a recall campaign.
“People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day,” states Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla resident and one of the few Alaskans willing to speak on-the-record, for attribution, about Palin. In fact, Kilkenny actually circulated an e-mail letter about Palin that was verified and printed by The Nation.
For good measure, Palin booted the Wasilla police chief from office because, she told a local newspaper, he “intimidated” her.
Running on Extreme Fringe Evangelical Views
Sarah Palin drew early attention from state GOP apparatchiks when, during her first mayoral campaign, she ran on an anti-abortion platform. Normally, political parties do not get involved in Alaskan municipal elections because they are nonpartisan. But once word of her extreme fringe evangelical views made its way to Juneau, the state capitol, state Republicans tossed some money behind her campaign.
Once in office, Palin set out to build a machine that chewed up anyone who got in her way. The good, Godly Christian turns out to be anything but.
“She’s doesn’t like different opinions and she refuses to compromise,” Kilkenny notes. “When she was mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t hers. Worse, ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits but on the basis of who proposed them.”
Sound familiar? Palin may well be Dick Cheney’s reincarnate.
Something else has a familiar Republican ring to it: Her tax policies, and a “refund surpluses but borrow for the future” attitude.
According to Kilkenny and others in Wasilla as well as Juneau, Palin reduced progressive property taxes for businesses while mayor and increased a regressive sales tax which even hits necessities such as food. The tax cuts she promoted in her St. Paul speech actually benefited large corporate property owners far more than they benefited residents. Indeed, Kilkenny insists that many Wasilla home owners actually saw their tax bill skyrocket to make up for the shortfall. Two other Wasillian’s with whom I spoke said property taxes on their modest, three bedroom homes rose during the Palin regime.
To an outsider, it would seem hard to do, but an oil-rich town with zero debt on the day she was inaugurated mayor was left saddled with $22 million of debt by the time she moved away to become governor – especially since nothing was spent on things such as improving the city’s infrastructure or building a much-needed sewage treatment plant. So what did Mayor Palin spend the taxpayer’s money on, if not fixing streets and scrubbing sewage?
For starters, she remodelled her office. Several times over, as a matter of fact.
Then Palin spent $1 million on an unnecessary, new park that no one other than the contractors and Palin seemed to want. Next, Sarah doled out more than $15 million of taxpayer money for a sports complex that she shoved through even though the city did not own clear title to the land; now, seven years later, the matter is still in litigation and lawyer fees are said to be close to at least half of the original estimated price of the facility.
She also worked hard to get voters approval of a $5.5 million bond proposal for roads that could have been built without borrowing. Anchorage may not be the center of the financial universe but, like good Republicans everywhere, Sarah Palin knows how to please Alaskan bankers and bond dealers.
For good measure, she turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots.
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“Sambo Beat the Bitch”
“Palin is a conniving, manipulative, a**hole,” someone who thinks these are positive traits in a governor told me, summing up Palin’s tenure in Alaska state and local politics.
“She’s a bigot, a racist, and a liar,” is the more blunt assessment of Arnold Gerstheimer who lived in Alaska until two years ago and is now a businessman in Idaho.
“Juneau is a small town; everybody knows everyone else,” he adds. “These stories about what she calls blacks and Eskimos, well, anyone not white and good looking actually, were around long before she became a glint in John McCain’s rheumy eyes. Why do I know they’re true? Because everyone who isn’t aboriginal or Indian in Alaska talks that way.”
“Sambo beat the bitch” may be everyday language up in the bush. Whether it – and the outlook, politics and worldview Palin reflects when she says such things in public – should be part of a presidential campaign is another thing altogether. The comment says as much about McCain as it does about Palin, and it says a lot of things about Americans who overlook such statements (as well as her record) and vote anyway for McCain.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 10:23:35 AM   
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Not to defend her, but isn't her husband part Eskimo? 

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 10:58:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bughawk

Not to defend her, but isn't her husband part Eskimo? 

Not only that, but if you're going to post a story like that with anonymous sources, how about posting the source of the story Salt...sounds like something from Moveon.org.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 10:59:56 AM   
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so salty who wrote that article? where did it come from the same place that said her newborn isn't hers?  i'm sure you want to believe the article,m big time.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 11:07:40 AM   
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It's BS just like the thousands of pictures going around....

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 11:16:51 AM   
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Sounds like one of Kieth Obbermanns "Worst Person in the World" stories. The only problem with this one is her 80% approval rating. Lots of Artic Arabs and eskimio's that live in Alaska must think she is OK.  Can you name any Governor in the U.S. that has a 80% approval rating from the citizens?

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 11:17:28 AM   
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Actually I would not be surprised if most of what was in that article is true.  It would be a good idea to have it varified and the facts checked before posting it.  Nothing like posting false rumors to backfire on the poster as it should. 

If half of what is in that article is true, I would think it should most definitely put some doubt into the minds of voters as to her fitness for service. 

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 11:21:54 AM   
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As for the picture above, http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/palin.asp

As for those who believe that Salty's article might be half true, some newspaper or magazine is getting ripped off by paying such a "journalist."  That story has the coherence and grammatical complexity of something written by a fifth grader. 

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 11:22:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RIZ

so salty who wrote that article? where did it come from the same place that said her newborn isn't hers?  i'm sure you want to believe the article,m big time.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 12:18:49 PM   
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I too wonder about the 80+% approval rating. Like I said, it's going to be interesting from here to November.

Maybe she tips like Hillary  & the waitress was pissed!

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 12:27:01 PM   
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Yeah. Just who is Charlie James - Looks like a self proclaimed hater of America ! I think I would take his opinions with a grain of salt.



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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 1:06:15 PM   
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Salt - here's another Alaskan's take (not some ficticious or anonynmous "Lucille")!!

Sarah Palin: Comments made by a political cynic.







And also being from a Alaska man who is a very serious cynic about all things political.


 
Here is my take on Sarah.
 
I met and spoke with Sarah Palin about two years ago at our downtown Park Strip. It is a place
for walking, carnivals, political outdoor things and such. She was cooking hot-dogs at a fund raiser and introducing herself to the public as a Governor hopeful.
 
She came by and said the usual "Hi, I'm Sarah Palin and I am running for Governor"  ...and I
expected her to keep on to the next person, but she asked me who I was and what I did in Alaska and we ended up talking for 15 minutes about me, Air America (she was all agog!) and my career in the Army and AAM. She is a pilot (Super Cub) I'm told, although all she told me about that was that she loved flying.
 
As I watched her over the next six months as she successfully ran for Governor, I was really
impressed. I was impressed greatly even before that, after she resigned a good position (Alaska Gas and Oil Regulatory Commission) because a fellow Commission member (who was the Chair of the Alaska Republican Party) misused their office and position. He was using the FAX, computers, printing room and all to promote the Republican endeavors while in a State job. That is a huge no-no in any government employment position.
 
 She resigned and made her point, and within weeks, Randy Ruderich (the above bad guy) found his ass out on the street and a subsequent investigation found him guilty and he was fined $12,000. Small change actually, but a giant point was made. 
 
Next, she went after our most horrible Governor ever, Governor Murkowski, and damned if she
didn't beat him! All of us here in Alaska, except the Democrats, are sick of our State's corruption. That fact was shouted to the heavens after she was elected with an overwhelming point spread.
 
After she got into office, she started after corrupt legislators and with the FBI's help, we've put four of them in prison, indicted six more, and the "Corrupt Bastard's Club" ...as they arrogantly called themselves (even had hats made with CBC on the front!) suddenly found it no fun anymore. Club membership is now in the toilet!!
 
The current flap, which has cost her a ten point loss of popularity (she's still 82%!), was over firing a popular Commissioner of Public Safety, who is responsible for our Alaska State Troopers. She fired him for no stated reason, which was her prerogative as the Governor, he served entirely at her option. One wonders when people will realize that Commissioners' of Public Safety, Social Service directors', and Corrections Directors', etc. in just about every state are political appointees who serve at the Governor's pleasure.  
 
She and her whole family had a bad, bad experience with a rogue Trooper who was married to Sara's sister. His name is Trooper Wooten. This dimwit Trooper had threatened Sara's father (death threat!), threatened Sara ("I'll get you too"), tasered his 12 year old stepson, drove drunk in his AST cruiser, got a "pass" by a fellow Trooper who stopped him for erratic driving a second time while in civvies, and just a host of other things not yet released to the public. He got away with it and got another pass by the Commissioner's appointed AST Trooper Internal Affairs investigator, with a tiny slap on the wrist. Five days off without pay to be exact!!
 
This maverick Trooper is still on the payroll, but only just. The Police Officers Union intervention saved his malcontent ass. He'll yet get his, I'm sure. Incredible heat is being heaped on the Troopers, public heat, not from the Governors office. The Democrats had the audacity to appoint a obviously biased investigator, Rep. "Gunny" French (so called because he lied about being in the USMC while running for the Legislature), who is a staunch Liberal ...and under the orders of Senate President Lyda Green, who hates Sarah. She hates Sarah because after being elected Governor, Sarah told the whole Legislature in one of her first meetings with them that, quote; "All of you here need some Adult Supervision!!!".  Sara was seriously pissed, and not afraid of anyone there.
 
That played wonderfully well with Alaskan's after all of our corruption and after all
of her successful battles against a seriously entrenched corrupt government here in Alaska. It pissed off the whole Legislature though! They have stayed pissed, but also afraid of her because of her popularity.
 
She reminds me, personally, of our Alaskan wolverine which will fight anything in it's path, if it see's fit to do so. No respect at all for size or position. My wife, Cindy, is in this category too. Unfortunately. 
 
In closing, I must tell you that she is the best, most moral, and most focused leader I've seen since President Reagan. I feel, really strongly, that like Alaska, the rest of our country will love her within a few weeks. Put simply, she represents middle America like NO leader we've ever had. I think McCain made a totally brilliant move in choosing her. She's a maverick, who is probably tougher and more focused than McCain himself ....and she won't be a total "Yes Man" or more appropriately, woman. McCain will love her. 

In 2012 she will be President.
 
My best to all of you in the hurricane belt. I hope you are all OK. We just had another mini -Air America reunion here in beautiful Soldotna, Alaska, along the Kenai river. Milt Olson, Mike Seal and Ernie Brace (McCains POW buddy) were all here. Ernie's wife, Nancy, is a class act and a wonderful gal. I wish you'd come up and see us. We'll be doing this every year now I guess. Like our Flying Tiger pal's before us, there are not that many Air America guys left. I'm 71 myself this September 16. Where the hell did the years go so fast?
 
My best to you old buddy.
Semper Fi,

(And now you know the whole story and not just the propaganda of the national media and the idiot pundits) 

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 1:37:25 PM   
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geez salty could find a more leftist web site to get a clear view of Palin?

here is a quote from the mission statement

Here you’ll find articles that advocate progressive positions and policies designed to build a more just and equitable society.

yea fair and balanced.

it doesn't suprise me why you are like you are if this is the type of 'stuff' you read.  the NY times is a conservative rag compared the is site.

you have no credibility.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 1:51:20 PM   
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As for the quote from the "first name only" waitress, anyone who takes any stock in any gossip from a no-name waitress should really consider buying some beautiful mosquito-free swampland I am selling in the Arizona dessert. No kidding!!! Now, anyone who still believes me or this waitress, please do not vote. Leave it up to informed people who are voting using factual knowledge, not stupid gossip. Is this what we want to use to pick our leaders? I think not!! Palin is the best candidate the sportsman class has seen in a long time. McCain/Palin all the way!!!!!

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 1:55:43 PM   
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quote:

beautiful mosquito-free swampland I am selling in the Arizona dessert.


So-you are the one that bought that from me on ebay

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 2:06:32 PM   
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YEP !!

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 2:38:30 PM   
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Barack Hussein Obama meets St. Peter at the Pearly Gates and tells him he was the first Negro President of the U. S. When St. Peter asks him when that happened Obama replies, “About twenty minutes ago.”




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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 2:40:21 PM   
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Chelsey Clinton visited the troops in Iraq in Support of her mother's presidential bid.

She asked a soldier, what are the three things you fear the most in the United States?

The Soldier replies:

"Osama"
"Obama"
"Yo Mamma"

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 2:48:11 PM   
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Yeah, I'd be real suspicious about that piece.  It's pretty hard to believe that she would say that and that there is an anonymous waitress who wouldn't want to cash in on her "experience" with Gov. Palin. 

On the other side...  I'm definitely not condoning this type of behaviour, but "you reap what you sow."  Her smear comments at the RNC I'm sure definitely got the lefty smear merchants fired up. Game on smearqueers.  

Down with Liberal and Conservative smear merchants who seek to divide by dwelling on the worst aspects of our human nature!


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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 2:54:27 PM   
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Jesus Christ could be the Republican choice for VP and people like Salt would find fault with him. Typical democratic vote party at all costs thinking.
A sad but true aspect of politics today. Unfortunately, there are those on the republican side that think that way as well.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 3:20:57 PM   
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LDD makes a good point.  If we throw out those who hate Palin and those who think she can do no wrong and analyze where she really is, we will have a better idea about her.  Most people are not as evil or stupid or whatever as some would make them out to be nor are they saints that walk on water either.

From what I have heard is that she has had limited experience governing a small town and a large state from a land mass consideration, but small in population and not nearly as diverse as say New York, California, Florida, Illinois or Texas.  I would say given her rather limited backwoods experience she may have some of the tools needed to govern if called upon, but I seriously question if she has the experience and more importantly the sophistication to deal with global issues and the leaders of the world.

The bottom line for me is we need a person who has the sensitivity and sophistication to understand the diverse world we live in and not someone who is an ideologically driven neophyte from the backwoods of Alaska.  Just look at what happened the last time we ended up with an unsophisticated, ideologically driven, and evangelical from Texas.  Do we really want more of the same?  I don’t think so.  George Bush was a horrible mistake, so why do we want to go back down that road again with a VP who could feasibly end up being president?  Have we not learned a thing from the last 8 years?

We need to remember we are voting for a president to do a job, not to be our friend, to be our buddy or necessarily to be someone we like or admire.  The criteria should be can the person do the job.  I honestly don't think Palin is up to the task.  She may be a nice person, or a jerk, I don't know, but given her credentials it seems rather obvious to me she is sorely lacking and was put on the ticket to appease the ultra right wing Christian conservatives who do not think John McCain is a true conservative.  I honestly believe her radical pro-life agenda, coupled with her very conservative gun rights and Evangelical Christian beliefs were the reason she was made the VP candidate over many much more qualified and moderate Republicans such as Tom Ridge.  She is there to get votes for the Republican ticket and that’s all. 

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 4:16:15 PM   
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She is there to get votes for the Republican ticket and that’s all. 



All vice presidents are picked to get votes for their party. Obama picked Biden to try to take away the critics complaint that he had NO foreign policy experience. Usually they pick a politican from a state they need regardless of his experience. Been that way for decades. Palin was picked to excite the base and get some womens votes but so far appears to be able to bring a lot more to the table than that.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 4:37:13 PM   
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Bug,

As usual, you present some pretty rational thinking and analysis.  I agree with your point about voting for a president to do a job, and not to be our friend, etc.

But I wonder at what point in the life of our nation that believing that life begins at conception and defending the rights of the unborn became radical?  I know the argument that a woman should be free to choose what to do with her own body, but what about the counterpoint that an unborn child has rights equal to, or even more significant than, an adult given the fact that they are powerless to protect themselves.  Just wondering when this became a radical idea, since it's been at least a part of the general consensus in all civilized socities that promote life, liberty, and freedom.  I know that through this forum neither side on this issue will present a persuasive enough argument to change the others' opinion.  I personally don't care for Obama's or Biden's record on abortion, but I wouldn't go so far as to label them radical on this as their own records square with a significant portion of our country's population.  The country, in general, is pretty equally split on this particular issue.  To take the stance that life begins at conception and should be protected throughout pregnancy is hardly a radical idea.   

In addition, our Supreme Court has recently ruled on the 2nd Amendment and has affirmed the right of individuals who are not felons or mentally unstable to keep and bear arms.  Has Palin taken a more radical stance on gun ownership and use than what the Supreme Court has recently ruled in favor of?  If she has, I'm not aware of it and would be interested to see the proof. 

I'm also unaware of her professed Evangelical Christian beliefs.  I've heard or read absolutely nothing about her faith in the past couple of weeks, and I've read and heard a lot.  I understand the position that her stance on some issues would appeal to Evangelicals, but have heard nada about her own faith background. 

By the way, I'm not suggesting that any of the abolve necessarily qualify Palin for the job, but I would also suggest that they don't disqualify her either.

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 4:50:01 PM   
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"Jesus Christ could be the Republican choice for VP and people like Salt would find fault with him."

And Republicans, as well as many on this board, would call him a no good, dirty rotten liberal. With sociallistic, marxist, communist, lenninist tendencies. 

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RE: Here's Palin.... - 9/8/2008 4:53:11 PM   
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Can't be ALL about the votes. Clinton would have brought more votes to Obama, than Biden. And if he had picked her, Palin would NOT be McCain's running mate.

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