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coolerfull1 -> this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 7:52:05 AM)

my buddy and I went to a local creek on a day they were supposed to stock and the truck didn't show at his usual time.  we rode up and down the creek looking to see if they were around and we ran into a few other fisherman who were also waiting for the truck to show.  we stopped to BS to a few of them, but one guy gave us the speech about how he hopes the truck doesn't show up.  "go put those bucket fish in a lake somewhere, I'm fishing for natives.  he continued "pound for pound these 7-9" natives are stronger and more fun to catch.  I hate when they mix these dam bucket fish in with the good ones"....so on and so forth he went on.  fly rod in hand and a box of flies with him, he actually looked somewhat believable.  so we left, went downstream and found the truck and we helped them stock the whole creek before we started fishing.  all along we were talking/laughing about guys like us who use bait and catch alot fish vs. these 'great american outdoorsman' as we like to call them, aka 'purist'.  they brag about being able to outfish us by only using flies and catch and release and bucket fish and on and on.  well, when we got back to the hole he was fishing, guess who was standing in line to get a bucket.....yes, the purist!!  he helped stock then ran down to fish right on top of them.  needless to say the rest of the day was full of fishing and making wise cracks about becoming 'purists'.  I can't wait until the next 'fly guy/great american outdoorsman starts preaching about this stuff.  i'll be sure to throw this in their face and laugh my ass off.  why does trout fishing make grown men lie so much and act crazy.  i don't do any of that, just catch alot of fish and get some good laughs in the process.




griffon -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 9:12:54 AM)

I personally could care less how you fish.  What does bother me are truck chasers (you qualify).  I wish they would close streams for a week after stocking. 




Krufnik -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 10:00:03 AM)

I agree with griffon. 




D-nymph -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 10:42:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Krufnik

I agree with griffon. 



Me too.




Skip16503 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 10:43:42 AM)

Me 3   or 4  or whatever




spoonchucker -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 10:57:15 AM)

Sounds to me like he followed the truck, helping them stock, THEN fished. A lot of folks simply sit, and wait for the truck to come to them, and fish while the others help.




JMZ82 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 11:09:01 AM)

The guys that help the truck get my respect, the guys that take a few buckets to their hole then don't carry anymore don't.  Not sure I get the purist comment....So what if they use flies and catch and release, most guys don't think of them selves as being high and mighty they just love to fish and if they like it a certain way more then so be it.




D-nymph -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 11:11:10 AM)

I wish they would close streams for a week after a stocking.

"Purist" talk is just dumb.




spoonchucker -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 11:27:58 AM)

And that would accomplish what, besides the loss of 2-3 weeks of spring fishing?




TransAmWS6 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 11:31:54 AM)

trout. suck.




madredneck -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 11:39:04 AM)

Agreed closing the stream just wastes fishing time.  Plus people would just poach them anyways.




coolerfull1 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 11:42:29 AM)

i'm not sure if any of you guys (except spoonchucker) understand what i was getting at with this story.  read it again.  not caring how others fish is my point...I don't drive my style down your throat and bash yours then turn around and do the opposite. purist and great american outdoors is what we call the guys who preach there brand, (in this case a fly fisherman who preached about natives and catch and release and so on, then became the ultimate truck chaser) and did the opposite...its comical.  and yes, i did help them stock the entire creek and why the heck would you want to close the streams for a week....see what i mean about guys acting bizarre about trout fishing. 




fish12 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 12:27:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: killngrill

....see what i mean about guys acting bizarre about trout fishing. 


I understand you [sm=icon_mrgreen.gif]




eyesandgillz -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 12:50:16 PM)

That is why trout fishing in PA is such a joke.  Save the money, shut down the hatcheries, and let the native brookies and any holdovers take over the streams.  If the holdovers can't breed, so what.  Let the brookies take back the streams.  Geesh.  Grown men throwing fish in their hole, then putting on some power bait and filling up a stringer.  Talk about an accomplishment! 




griffon -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 12:51:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: killngrill

i'm not sure if any of you guys (except spoonchucker) understand what i was getting at with this story.  read it again.  not caring how others fish is my point...I don't drive my style down your throat and bash yours then turn around and do the opposite. purist and great american outdoors is what we call the guys who preach there brand, (in this case a fly fisherman who preached about natives and catch and release and so on, then became the ultimate truck chaser) and did the opposite...its comical.  and yes, i did help them stock the entire creek and why the heck would you want to close the streams for a week....see what i mean about guys acting bizarre about trout fishing. 




I stock my goldfish tank too, that doesn't mean I need to go fish for them five minutes after they hit the water.  What's worse is that you claim someone else was acting bizarre, but you come on here to brag about catching domesticated pellet heads.  I guess if that floats your boat, have at it.  You know, I grew up very close to a fine trout stream and own property along one now.  In 30 years, the only bizarre behavior I ever saw from "trout fishermen" was littering (mainly worm containers, lure wrappers, and salted minnow bags), poaching of more than people's limits, and stock truck chasing.  i have said my peace and will be on my way.




jerminator7777 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 4:03:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TransAmWS6

trout. suck.
 

I Agree 100%




trouthater -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 4:37:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz

That is why trout fishing in PA is such a joke.  Save the money, shut down the hatcheries, and let the native brookies and any holdovers take over the streams.  If the holdovers can't breed, so what.  Let the brookies take back the streams.  Geesh.  Grown men throwing fish in their hole, then putting on some power bait and filling up a stringer.  Talk about an accomplishment! 



I couldnt have said it better!!!




jbbutlers -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 6:31:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TransAmWS6

trout. suck.


No way! Cut up they make great Channel cat bait!




H20Wolf -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 9:25:13 PM)



No way! Cut up they make great Channel cat bait!
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Kept alive, they are even better musky bait [>:]




DanesDad -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 9:54:30 PM)

I wouldn't fish right over a place where fish were just stocked, but I dont care if you do.  Hell, that guys license and trout stamp bought as many pelletheads as mine did.  And it is not illegal.  So, to each his own, I say.  I'm not bashing either truck chasers or "purists".  As long as it's legal, do what you want.




Swans500 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/18/2007 10:23:01 PM)

My oh my....a touch of bitterness in this thread.

I can find agreement in most of the posts on this subject, particularly the mention of the litter a lot of these April/May only fishermen leave lying around everywhere.

To Killngrill....I get your point and can see it was tongue in cheek.

As for the trout haters....nasty fellas. To each his own but I personally prefer to consume a species that tastes like a fish rather than some of the species which seem to be considered on an iconic level around here!!!!




thedrake -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/19/2007 3:44:36 PM)

I typically stay away from primarily stocked streams. Not only because I dont enjoy catching stockies, but also because I dont like the culture surrounding them. Every year, I see pictures of stocked fish in our local newspapers, that people caught on the first day of trout, and acted like the fish was a true trophy. They usually dont care that the trout they thought was a trophy was raised in a hatchery and put in the stream a few days before they caught it, or in some cases the same day they caught it.

If it were up to me, we would make all trout streams that have natural reproduction be under catch and release regulations including no bait, and no barbed hooks. Wild trout are too rare to be put on a stringer or killed by a barbed hook that couldnt be removed. I do understand that the vast majority of our stocked streams cannot sustain trout year round, and keeping stockies prevents them from dying off and being wasted when the water gets too warm and shallow. Here in central PA, we are blessed with many wild trout streams and regulations that protect them. Some of our wild trout streams are protected simply by a lack of popularity, but that seems to be the exception.

Yellow Creek, in Bedford County, is a good example of what can happen to a trout stream, when it is overstocked. There is a small population of wild browns in that stream, that I believe, if left alone and protected, could grow to good numbers. Cool water temps, plenty of food (scuds, mayflies, caddis, stoneflies, etc..), and a good streamflow make for a good habitat for the wild browns in that stream. However, groups like the PFBC, TU, and the Spring Ridge Club all stock that stream with loads of hatchery fish. I believe this causes too much competition with the wild browns, for food and niches in the stream, and causes a lot of fishing pressure. Neither of which are healthy for the wild fish, which should be our main concern. With all this stocking, chances are nobody will ever know how great YC could be. Heck, the stockie fishers there are too ignorant to even know about the wild browns. Combine the overstocking with all the litter strung out around the stream left by baitfishers, and you have an even worse situation.

Yes killngrill, there are some real wackos out there, but some of us so called "purist fly fishers" are really looking out for our wild fish and have integrity about it. The guy you encountered sounds like a real jackass, just like anyone who would follow around a stocking truck (yourself included). Please dont let him give you the idea that all flyfishers are that way. Most of the fly fishers I know dont want anything to do with that kind of fishing or culture. You mentioned that you will throw the story you just told in the face of the next flyfisher you meet...Hopefully that person isn't someone like me, who chances are, picked up the styrofoam bait containers your baitfishing brethren left streamside, or spent his own time/money on stream improvements, that you yourself may have benefitted from, but may not have contributed too. Keep that in mind the next time you bash flyfishers.




*commander* -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/19/2007 8:08:05 PM)

a stocking truck chaser talking about another stocking truck chaser. dont you guys have a code of ethics that youre not allowed to bust on each other.




coolerfull1 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/19/2007 8:50:37 PM)

what classifies a truck chaser?  think about it.  I watched a show on ESPN that classified the tribs of lake erie as world class fisheries.  did you ever look around those parking lots up there at the license plates and see where some of those people are driving from to fish?  where do you think those fish come from?  a hatchery...a truck....correct Einsteins!  they stock them in the creeks, they go into the lake, get big and come back.  they too are 'bucket fish'....right????  so you guys are hammering me for being a truck chaser, but trust me, I am not one of those guys who run to the truck acting like I work for th PFBC.  me and my buddy had the day off, they were stocking, and we gave a hand since nobody else would.   after a long, cold winter, its tempting sometimes to do some 'trouting'.  there is other fishing to do, but it happens right when the weather breaks and the fish are there.  I do fish the yough and apparently so do alot of other fathers, sons, brothers, and so on, as i read alot of posts on here about that place....are you calling them all jackasses?  those trout come from the same hatcheries.  the purists are the ones who shove their brand down our throats for the most part and thats why i made the original post in the first place.  don't worry boys, bass season is right around the corner and my boat and I have alot of miles to put on.  as for the commander...i am ripping one of your stripes off for losing sleep trying to think of a witty post.  you are back to being a "new angler". 




*commander* -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/19/2007 9:50:10 PM)

"witty post." thanks for the compliment.

back to new angler? ohhhhh noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!




kyler16 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (5/21/2007 12:03:16 PM)

Well Im going to start making fishing badges like boys scouts badges .....
so far I have the...
Stock Truck Follower Badge
Casting Over peoples Line who squeeze in beside you after you sat there since 6am and they didnt stock til 2pm badge
Think Power Bait should no longer be a legal bait for fishing Badge
Hate Seeing Stringers full of fish Badge

those are the ones I have but there are plenty of different ones out there.. add some which u think u might have.

I follow the Stock Trucks, I fish right after they stocked, and bait fish( but never power bait) I also have been getting alot better at fly fishing too. Being a Purist is alright i wish i could of been one of the great outdoormen and only ever fished with natural things.  This has been one of my greatest years fishing, Ive caught bout 12 fish over 20inches so far but only took a picture and returned them...but that was because I followed the stock truck.

But then Ill go fish a couple native trout streams in my area with only flies and its just as good as catching one of those breeders over 20.

as long as its legal and the person doesnt cramp in beside me then its ok with me....cuz Ive heard plenty of bs from people....


Krill I call your story of meeting a jagoff like that and raise it one more. Was fishing Elton Dam the last time they stocked. There was this guy who is always there when they stock and hes thinks hes an ichythologist(person who studies fish)  even tho when I asked him if he was one he had no idea what that was. Any ways the stock truck comes he an his daugher take a buck over to the spill way say bout 200 yards away from the stock truck... well the water in the dam was69 degrees so not very rich in Oxygen. so bout 11 fish died in his bucket an he claimed it was how the fish warden claimed to throw the fish in away from the sediment he said he should of layed the bucket down. I told him why we were to throw them in and he said it was wrong. and said thats why the fish died.  Later on he "chummed" the fish with his special dough balls he made. Then he lectured a guy who was using spinners that no one will catch fish unless they are using chartruse power bait. mean while me friend an I were catching them on every cast with minnows on a slip bobber. he then proceeded to tell people bout the best spot on the Bens Creek behind St Andrews. He said no one knows about it because it runs into the Stoney Creek.but then he said he never fished it! I then said oh I fished that the other day went in behind Simkos drive line and weld company and say 5 other guys there.  Needless to say that shut him up.... and after seeing everyone around him and his daughter catch fish but them they left.  And everyone around him thanked me for shutting him up.

now thats bout 1 of few fisherman who really grind my gears.




Smoothy -> RE: this was an instant classic! (6/2/2007 10:49:39 PM)

Make all streams delayed harvest rules. All of us may be suprised how many trout hold over after they are edumacated. Before all you english majors bend out of shape, thats my combined word for educated and acclumated. Then if you want something to take home from your fishing trip, pack a sidearm and ka-pow all those Herons. I've watched those dumb birds spear trout 14 plus inches. Then not being able to handle them let them lay. Dammit that fish cost $2.50.




Swans500 -> RE: this was an instant classic! (6/3/2007 1:59:36 AM)

Well I will be no "gentleman sportsfisherman" when when it comes to the stockies in Turtle Creek.

The remaining trout in that stream are languishing in very low, slow, clear bath water and I dont expect them to survive much longer without a good soaking rain. So I will use power bait or whatever it takes to catch them and EAT them as that is why they were put in there....they will never survive the coolest of summers in there....particularly this year. Last year I got them until into July but it had not been an early summer as dry and warm as this.

Waste not....




flyfishermanPA -> RE: this was an instant classic! (8/25/2008 10:53:48 PM)

I just happened to glance at this and I've got to say I really don't understand your thinking. So what he has a point putting stocked fish with natives is just plain dumb. From what I've read the natives pretty much kill the stock fish, the Fish commission is wasteing their money then, right? Also so what if he is a purist? I'm not bragging because I win some & lose some compared to some of my bait fisherman buddies, but I am a (what they call..) a purist, and I enjoy fishing that way. It's not always about catching, sometimes it's about ethics and (in my family) passing down the tradition. Just because he fished for the stockies doesn't mean he likes them more than natives, maybe he's just helping kill a few [:D]. Also, I don't like the bait fisherman, though I admit 80 percent or so of you guys are great! I'm not talking about the guy fishing with worms, but rather the guy fishing in artificial lures with bait! Even at the age of 13 I told one baiter he better get the hell out or I'd call the my father, he's a warrent (one of the few decent ones..). Keep an open mind... Most fly fisherman are genuine guys and will really tell you about the waters...




Split Shot -> RE: this was an instant classic! (8/26/2008 12:23:41 AM)

LIKE IT OR NOT, We need the 1st. Day or Week trout fishermen. They fish a couple of days a year and  make it possible for many of us to fish all year long. The fish commission needs their money. Their would not be stillhead program without their trout stamp. I am NOT a stocked trout fisherman, other then Stillhead which are STOCKED TROUT even though I use a noodle rod instead of a fly rod.[:)]




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