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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 11:35:18 AM

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Yes, D-nymph... That was what I meant. 9/11 keeps anglers away from some of the better fish holding spots on the rivers.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 1:31:09 PM

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Griffon,

You are telling me that they are the best at every water they hit? Can you explain why the pros DO, get beat by the ameture division on lakes while the tournement is going on (same conditions). Face it, some guys that have knowledge of holes and such on a river/lake that a pro may never find during a week or whatever warm up/scouting. Does this make them better fishermen, no. (Refer to my original post).

A golf course, is not under water hiding anything. So, knowing the course, I wouldn't consider enough of an advantage for the golf pro vs. the elite.

I am pretty sure the pros do race on dirt tracks every so often, and do get beat by the dirt pros. I'd bet you $10k the top ameture rally racer would kill Tony Stewart or any of the NASCAR racers in a rally race with the same equipment.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 1:57:37 PM

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"Stewart grew up racing go karts and was successful very early, winning a World Karting Assoc. championship in 1987. He raced three-quarter midgets with the [UMRA] until 1991, when he moved up to the United States Auto Club (USAC) series with help from one of his karting sponsors and friend Mark Dismore. Stewart was the USAC Rookie of the Year in 1991, fifth in 1993 after winning the Hut Hundred, [1] and was the National Midget series champion in 1994.
In 1995, Stewart became the first driver to win USAC's version of the Triple Crown, earning championships in all three of USAC's major divisions, National Midget, Sprint, and Silver Crown. The highlights of the year were winning the Hut Hundred and 4-Crown Nationals."

Are You sure you would want to make that bet? The fact is the guys who make the pro levels have ALL paid their dues and survived the weeding out processes. Most of them have mastered their trade and all of it's various aspects. Not only that, but once they get to that level, they must remain on top of their game or they will not be at that level for long as there is always new competition looking to unseed the top guys.
Just a hunch, but I am guessing you have never fished with or against the pros. You have a lot of disdain for them (or any other athlete/participant that is not from the Burgh) and I think that would be squelched after one afternoon on the water with any one of them, particularly a machine like KVD or Ike.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 3:21:05 PM

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What the heck are you two talking about?

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 4:50:47 PM

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quote:

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Yes, D-nymph... That was what I meant. 9/11 keeps anglers away from some of the better fish holding spots on the rivers.

Why is it that only some of the dams are off limits? Seems that most are only off limits by water too, besides this one. You can walk right up to the ones on the Allegheny, and even the main channel of the Emsworth one.

Not that I'd ever think to blow up a dam, but if I were... Wouldn't taking things in on land be just as easy? If you were going to take it in by water, what is a bouy going to do, to stop you?

Some also give the boaters a chance to get within 20-30 years, while this one is about 200 yards. It doesn't really make much sense to me.

Griffon - For some reason, I continued our conversation on the off topic. Atleast that part makes sense...

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 7:07:25 PM

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I'll tell you what... If you ever get the chance to fish with Ike, KVD, Scroggins,Martens or any of these other top notch guys let me know, I would be willing to put down $50 per keepable fish (or per pound) on the pro. I will win that bet 99 out of 100 times, even on your home waters. Fishing and being successful at the level these guys are goes way beyond pitching a lure into the water and retrieving it. Boat control, map and location analysis, reading waters, inventory control, and absolute ability to perform every cast in any situation are all equal parts to their success.

By your reasoning, NASCAR and Golf are not sports... so a local pro at Oakmont should be able to beat Tiger or Phil on his home course simply because the pro knows all of the lies on the course. I would also guess that the local race track champs at Lernerville could beat Tony Stewart also just because they have local track knowledge...

I'd bet $50 that if you went fishing with one of these pros you would have their balls in your mouth the entire time. That I'm sure would be a 99/100 occurence.

Sorry man it had to be said. I enjoy fishing, not watching other people fish. I could care less what they catch. I only care about what I catch. Espn will drop its backing in a few years just like they did the Outdoor games. There is a serious lack of interest in watching bass tournaments, and in one poll the least interested potential viewer was from whom? You guessed it, fishermen.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 9:49:01 PM

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gee, and all i wondered was how the walleye bite was doing? So, anyone know how the walleye bite is doing?

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/4/2008 10:23:14 PM

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Sorry Fisherman,

I dont know particularly about right now, but from experience the eyes and saugers will turn on much more in late September through the end of the fall. Even in the winter you have a better chance of catching a big eye at the right dams than you do right now.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 8:39:47 AM

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I've noticed the Allegheny seems to turn on before the Ohio and Mon in the Fall, since it cools quicker. The opposite seems to be true in the Spring, with the Mon warming the quickest, and turning on earlier.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 9:02:59 AM

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I enjoy fishing, not watching other people fish. I could care less what they catch. I only care about what I catch.

I do find myself watching fishing when I can't be out fishing on a Sunday morning. I can't say that I am a fan, by any means. I'd rather see the Linder boys explain seasonal patterns and tips for all kinds of fish. Half of the pro's tips rely on $5k electronics or are talking about Georgia or Arkansas, that really isn't much help for me. I'd rather be fishing than watching them, that is for sure.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 9:29:06 AM

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quote:

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I enjoy fishing, not watching other people fish. I could care less what they catch. I only care about what I catch.

I do find myself watching fishing when I can't be out fishing on a Sunday morning. I can't say that I am a fan, by any means. I'd rather see the Linder boys explain seasonal patterns and tips for all kinds of fish. Half of the pro's tips rely on $5k electronics or are talking about Georgia or Arkansas, that really isn't much help for me. I'd rather be fishing than watching them, that is for sure.

Yea but when I am watching them on a Sunday I have to turn it off I get to angry about not being out myself.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 11:26:54 AM

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The pros are winners because they can outfish the other pros in a tournament and the average fishermen on any given body of water. I've spoken directly (through my job and otherwise) with enough top fishermen (guys who make their living off fishing) to know that they'd be the first to tell you that an excellent fisherman on his home water, with all other circumstances being equal, will have the advantage over the visitor every time.

...and Al Lindner rules!! :)

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 11:37:58 AM

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I'd bet $50 that if you went fishing with one of these pros you would have their balls in your mouth the entire time. That I'm sure would be a 99/100 occurence.

] This is better than the Bassmaster Classic

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 11:44:53 AM

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quote:

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I'll tell you what... If you ever get the chance to fish with Ike, KVD, Scroggins,Martens or any of these other top notch guys let me know, I would be willing to put down $50 per keepable fish (or per pound) on the pro. I will win that bet 99 out of 100 times, even on your home waters. Fishing and being successful at the level these guys are goes way beyond pitching a lure into the water and retrieving it. Boat control, map and location analysis, reading waters, inventory control, and absolute ability to perform every cast in any situation are all equal parts to their success.

By your reasoning, NASCAR and Golf are not sports... so a local pro at Oakmont should be able to beat Tiger or Phil on his home course simply because the pro knows all of the lies on the course. I would also guess that the local race track champs at Lernerville could beat Tony Stewart also just because they have local track knowledge...

I'd bet $50 that if you went fishing with one of these pros you would have their balls in your mouth the entire time. That I'm sure would be a 99/100 occurence.

Sorry man it had to be said. I enjoy fishing, not watching other people fish. I could care less what they catch. I only care about what I catch. Espn will drop its backing in a few years just like they did the Outdoor games. There is a serious lack of interest in watching bass tournaments, and in one poll the least interested potential viewer was from whom? You guessed it, fishermen.

Uncalled for Jackass. Your ignorance is Unprecedented on this board (sorry man it had to be said). For what it's worth, I have fished with many of these guys on many waters throughout North America, even in the same boat be it mine or theirs. Trust me, my feelings toward these guys is strictly out of respect for how much time and precision they demand from themselves within their profession. Oh by the way (and this will not happen most likely as my schedule is always full and there is no room for you in it)... put the two of us on any neutral body of water in a bass competition(smallies, LM, or Spots- doesn't matter) and I would wear you out most every day.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 1:46:30 PM

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What I am concerned with is what you want to wear out.....

Relax man you took over with this thread with arguments that no one ever brought up about pro fishermen. Seems like you had an agenda. You're defending people who no one really cares about. As far as threatening to beat anyone in a contest, hasnt that been done a thousand times on this board? It's pretty unoriginal, and goes against not only the point of fishing but what this board is about. If you're that confident go fish the tournaments and compete against people who care. I know I'm secure enough in my fishing skills to never challenge anyone to prove it. And anyways your threat "Oh by the way (and this will not happen most likely as my schedule is always full and there is no room for you in it)... put the two of us on any neutral body of water in a bass competition(smallies, LM, or Spots- doesn't matter) and I would wear you out most every day" is the weakest I've ever seen on this board. At least be willing to back it up instead of throwing in a built in cop out. Pretty weak.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 2:39:49 PM

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I find it ironic that you raised so much static about other board members comments (racism or whatever), as you felt they were offensive. Yet, you feel that your vulgarities are perfectly fine. You really are a piece of work...

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 3:52:13 PM

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Come on, I never said testicle jokes were offensive. Racism? Of course. Got to admit, it was pretty funny with the way you were talking about pro fishermen. I apologize for the remark. Was not in good taste.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 3:57:13 PM

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was good though.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 4:13:22 PM

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I haven't laughed more over a comment on these boards in a long time.

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 7:23:10 PM

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Bill Dance is my cousin

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 8:12:55 PM

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Hey, it is your cousin Bill! Haven't heard from you in a while, give me a call!

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RE: Emsworth Back Channel Dam - 9/5/2008 11:16:51 PM

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I.C. Is Bill really your cousin? He is a super nice guy. I was born in Memphis and my father and he were fairly close friends at one time (before he was Bill Dance...). He used to own a restaurant on a lake known as Horshoe. From what I understand, the lake has been drained and his restaurant is long since gone.

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