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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 9:19:52 AM

pxatim

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Just a quick question. Can a forum like this really regulate what a guy wants to say excluding the lewd and profane? Spot burning no fun. Agreed. But can we tell a guy no? Isn't there something called a "Constitution" that says a person can have freedoms to say whatever he wants to say? Freedom of press. Freedom of speech.

Actually...yes it can.

I'm on msg boards way more strick than this one. Ones where members can vote others off with enough votes. Ones where you get a time out or banned for saying something against the forum rules. It's the I-net you can do whatever you want. You're participating in a voluntary manner.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 9:23:32 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3:16

Just a quick question. Can a forum like this really regulate what a guy wants to say excluding the lewd and profane? Spot burning no fun. Agreed. But can we tell a guy no? Isn't there something called a "Constitution" that says a person can have freedoms to say whatever he wants to say? Freedom of press. Freedom of speech.

I agree this should remain an unwritten rule. But you sheriffs with your ideas kill me. And by the way, kjh and all the former guides out there....if your so against what MackJ and others say, stop responding and this post will die.

Of course a forum can dictate what can and cannot be said- this is a private entity, and as such can regulate users, and usage, entirely decided upon by the owners. Plenty of other boards restrict mentioning specific spots and/or waters, with no issues whatsoever. We all have to adhere to a policy code (I think when we register it's put forth, though I don't remember...)

I mean, look... I wasn't calling for the owners of this site to start restricting free speech... I would like everyone to consider the ramifications of wantonly posting specific spots, and also for people to start thinking a bit before asking, to perhaps use some effort and ingenuity in finding out information on their own!

As far as responding to MackJ, well, it's quite fun for me! I'm a bit of a weenie myself, and thus, can spot another weenie from a mile away... Also, I think that there are a lot of misinformed people out there- if, per chance, they read this novella (I do drone on at times) they might, perhaps, learn something!

Cheers!

Dan

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 9:30:17 AM

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Thanks for clearing that up. It was just a question and I recieved an answer. I'm sure, though, in court of law, our forum laws might crumble if put to the test.

I LOVE THE INTERNETS!

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 9:49:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: pxatim

Actually...yes it can.

I'm on msg boards way more strick than this one. Ones where members can vote others off with enough votes. Ones where you get a time out or banned for saying something against the forum rules. It's the I-net you can do whatever you want. You're participating in a voluntary manner.

seriously?? thats badass

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ORIGINAL: formerguide

... if, per chance, they read this novella (I do drone on at times)...

hahahaha

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 9:57:05 AM

pxatim

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ORIGINAL: KJH807

quote:

ORIGINAL: pxatim

Actually...yes it can.

I'm on msg boards way more strick than this one. Ones where members can vote others off with enough votes. Ones where you get a time out or banned for saying something against the forum rules. It's the I-net you can do whatever you want. You're participating in a voluntary manner.

seriously?? thats badass

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ORIGINAL: formerguide

... if, per chance, they read this novella (I do drone on at times)...

hahahaha

yeah it's the best thing ever.... you come on and act like a jackass members can vote you off.

www.pahardcore.com

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 9:57:36 AM

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As far as responding to MackJ, well, it's quite fun for me! I'm a bit of a weenie myself, and thus, can spot another weenie from a mile away... Also, I think that there are a lot of misinformed people out there- if, per chance, they read this novella (I do drone on at times) they might, perhaps, learn something!

That's great! I think Mack's avatar fits him perfectly! Fly in the ointment. As far as learning, the pulpit is yours, Dan!

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:04:22 AM

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yeah it's the best thing ever.... you come on and act like a jackass members can vote you off.

www.pahardcore.com

in a another time i'd been all over that...

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:07:58 AM

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Good thing there's no trouble makers here!

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:10:13 AM

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quote:

Of course a forum can dictate what can and cannot be said- this is a private entity, and as such can regulate users, and usage, entirely decided upon by the owners. Plenty of other boards restrict mentioning specific spots and/or waters, with no issues whatsoever. We all have to adhere to a policy code (I think when we register it's put forth, though I don't remember...)

For what its worth, I'm actually a moderator on another forum website that has nearly 10,000 registered users and over 700,000 posts to date. While the constitution certainly applies in America, the internet isn't America. Furthermore, any webiste out there is paid for by someone. That someone has the right to permit only the content of their choosing to be put on their website. Much like a private business owner can refuse to serve or sell to certain parties (or even kick out unruly patrons), website owners (and by extension the Moderators they endorse) have these powers as well.

On the boards I help moderate, topics of a religious and political nature are strictly forbidden, and the threads get closed and deleted as soon as any of the Mods find them. Just think of the peace that would ensue in the off-topic forum here is political topics weren't allowed...people might actually have to turn off their computers and go outside and fish!

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:15:40 AM

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LOL! Now thats good! I'd be willing to bet that only about 60% of the people here actually do fish! Maybe less.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:20:07 AM

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This is an interseting thought. any legal minds on here? Lots of opinions, but anyone know for sure?

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:22:38 AM

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It is amazing the people who have 100-200 posts, who finally say, "I'm going up to Lake Erie for the first time...any advice, creeks, flies......"

Good point Shutup!

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:25:28 AM

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Thanks for the good info formerguide. this will be my second season and am looking forward to it. i really enjoy the time out and battling fresh fish even though that happens a lot less than I would like. This site is definitely beneficial for someone like me that is quite new to this game. My buddy have several years under his belt and that made my first year way better as well. I am driven to become a competent fisherman so that I can hopefully take my sons out when they are old enough. I am looking forward to the day when I can teach them and see them land their first steelie. Right now we are still in the stage of catching gills and the occ. bass is quite fun for them when the bite is on. While they are out catching though I am trying to teach how screaming, fighting, positioning for the good spots(because anytime 1 catches that now becomes the great spot to fight over) is out of line. We need to be mindful of others that are fishing as well, and leave nothing behind as others often do, and patience is very important which my 4 year old reminded his mommy before heading out.

I am really surprised that there are people who would walk right through a drift and think it okay to do such a thing. Ive never seen that yet but will be completely blown away if I ever do! I have lost my spot before more than once when removing a fish from hook, which is silly to me. I dont catch very many fish either so to lose my spot is irritating. I had 1 great day that allowed me to catch at least 10. no fishing pressure and a very nice pool with lots o fish. was a nice spot to practice a drift. So with all that being said its a shame people need to post on common sense.

Thanks again, lookin forward to season 2!

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:35:10 AM

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Wow! my head is spinning from this thread. From some one who only gets out to Erie once or twice a year, and who considers himself an amateur, this is interesting and informative. I am curious though, if there is an etiquette to asking information from forums such as this? It seems that if a poster is seeking information, there are some who are willing to oblige and others who will bash. I personally am too stubborn to ask for advice, and have suffered because of it. But, if a novice fisherman or woman wants to improve their chances to catch fish, I figure that this is the site to do so and do not take offense at any attempts to seek knowledge. I understand that there are those lurkers who are completely selfish in this endeavor, however, I think and hope they are the minority, are easily identifiable and ignored.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:39:13 AM

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You haven't seen anything until the first run hits and there's 1000's of fish no farther than the log jam on elk. In a stretch of water knee deep and 10' wide.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:46:53 AM

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:51:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Inukshuk

Wow! my head is spinning from this thread. From some one who only gets out to Erie once or twice a year, and who considers himself an amateur, this is interesting and informative. I am curious though, if there is an etiquette to asking information from forums such as this? It seems that if a poster is seeking information, there are some who are willing to oblige and others who will bash. .

I think that when people bash someone who is asking a relatively simple question they do so because of the way the question was asked. Usually the original question reads oddly, or is worded poorly inferring a sense of demand. "I'm going to Erie this weekend. What flies are working?" and that's it.

When novices have questions, they will get a much better response if they ask humbly. Write more than a sentence or two. Explain your situation a bit. Be friendly. etc. That's the approach that worked best for me here and on other boards in the past.

But once people know you're a Flyers fan, it's all over dUuD.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:55:50 AM

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I really believe if you are seeking information about HOW to fish for steelies, there are plenty of people here willing to help. If you are asking as to WHEN to fish for steelies, that is a bit more difficult, but again, most people will offer their opinion and try to help. If you ask WHERE to fish, then I believe the most appropriate response for this forum is to list only those places where there is general public access.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 10:58:10 AM

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fishing these board and the tribs are the same

a ton of what you want... but presentation is key...

if the basic questions of "where are fish? what are they eating?" are presented in a favorable way, you will be rewarded...
probably though PMs

if you come in slashing the water... you will put everything down

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 11:07:41 AM

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Perfectly worded, Kevin

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 11:11:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: D-nymph

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ORIGINAL: Inukshuk

Wow! my head is spinning from this thread. From some one who only gets out to Erie once or twice a year, and who considers himself an amateur, this is interesting and informative. I am curious though, if there is an etiquette to asking information from forums such as this? It seems that if a poster is seeking information, there are some who are willing to oblige and others who will bash. .

I think that when people bash someone who is asking a relatively simple question they do so because of the way the question was asked. Usually the original question reads oddly, or is worded poorly inferring a sense of demand. "I'm going to Erie this weekend. What flies are working?" and that's it.

When novices have questions, they will get a much better response if they ask humbly. Write more than a sentence or two. Explain your situation a bit. Be friendly. etc. That's the approach that worked best for me here and on other boards in the past.

But once people know you're a Flyers fan, it's all over dUuD.

makes sense! I have to admit that I am fascinated. A Penguins fan with an intelligent, well thought and presented response? Hell must be freezing over! lol

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 11:44:06 AM

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The confidence that I maintain when I decide to go fishing ALWAYS leaves the attitude within myself to believe that there are ALWAYS fish out there feeding somewhere. The challenge for me is to get out there and find them, wherever they may be. However, most of the trips I go on also contain preperation which I feel is 50%+ of my overall success rate in catching fish. Preperation includes researching recent stream/lake conditions, weather/wind direction, prepping bait and gear, making calls to local contacts and finally making the final determination on whether to make the trip or not. I'm sure most of us would like to feel comfortable enough to inquire about how the fish are biting, what they are biting on and where. Especially when investing the time/money to go fishing. However, I think consideration should be displayed by both parties (the seekers of info and the those who offer info) Of course, how one asks is critical and how one answers equally as critical. Quite simply, if one has nothing to offer, I found it is best not to say anything at all, in ALL circumstances. We should ultimately be pretty considerate of eachother in all aspects of angling. After all, we are all in this together.

I certainly always have the passion to want to learn more. It is within me to accomplish that by my own experiences as well as asking questions. That is what I found, as an educator, is the best way for anyone to learn ANYTHING. I'm currently in the process of buying a camp in Erie because I've grown to love it up there for various reasons and want my children to experience it as well. The fishing opportunities are near endless on these waters and I have decided to be a part of it. Be a part if it and you'll learn. Some will offer good advice and some will degrade, take it all with a grain of salt and learn from both. With all this said...Time, Persistance, Confidence, Research, Passion, Open Mindedness and Versatility are KEY in my opinion. Tight Lines.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 11:46:18 AM

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Nice pic, John...I gotta ask though, because I finally figured out who he is...

...what happened to yungguru's freezer? Did he trade it in for that sweater?

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 12:10:53 PM

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Ouch.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 12:38:24 PM

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I really believe if you are seeking information about HOW to fish for steelies, there are plenty of people here willing to help. If you are asking as to WHEN to fish for steelies, that is a bit more difficult, but again, most people will offer their opinion and try to help. If you ask WHERE to fish, then I believe the most appropriate response for this forum is to list only those places where there is general public access.

As always Dave, you've said it best. You have, in 3 sentences, managed to say succintly what I attempted in 34,349 words. Kudos!

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 1:02:51 PM

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Dan,

There was a lot more good info in your post. It is sad that some feel a need to take something positive and try to make it something negative.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 3:14:43 PM

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" I'm sure, though, in court of law, our forum laws might crumble if put to the test.

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They would stand up fine. We are not talking about free press here, or govt. censorship. We are GUESTS on THEIR website, and as such agree to their policies when we sign up. They have EVERY right to regulate, control, or restrict the content on THEIR site, which is THEIR intellectual property. YOU, still have the freedom to express any view, in any manner on another more liberal site, or on a forum of your own creation. It's no different than a bar being allowed to deny service to a loud, or obnoxious customer.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 3:30:13 PM

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" I'm sure, though, in court of law, our forum laws might crumble if put to the test. "

They would stand up fine. We are not talking about free press here, or govt. censorship. We are GUESTS on THEIR website, and as such agree to their policies when we sign up. They have EVERY right to regulate, control, or restrict the content on THEIR site, which is THEIR intellectual property. YOU, still have the freedom to express any view, in any manner on another more liberal site, or on a forum of your own creation. It's no different than a bar being allowed to deny service to a loud, or obnoxious customer.

Wonder where MackJ drinks?

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 3:32:50 PM

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Steelhead start to run and its OHIO TIME....Walnut is enough of a zoo as is right now.

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RE: Some thoughts on steelheading and the upcoming seas... - 8/8/2008 3:34:00 PM

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?PS- People like Bughawk, Indguiz, Spoonchucker and others, would likely do the same- these are good people, interested in protecting the resource, catching fish, helping others, and having a good time- I hope that one day, you can say the same."

Undoubtedly. Mack, I would be happy to fish with you, and share my knowledge of the streams, and techniques. The amount of confidence I gain ( or DON'T gain ) in your ethics would determine which, and how many locations I share. As far as techniques. I will share proven technique, and even a few ( not all ) "secrets". I say not all, because some were handed to me by others, and out of respect will allow THEM to determine with whom they are shared. There ARE a few highly effective, "secret" tecniques, or baits. The REASON they are as successful, IMO is because they are something that the fish don't see a thousand times a day. To make them common knowledge, would greatly lessen this advantage. Of course, an observant angler could often very easily pick them up from me, or a few others.

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