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keystone power dam report - 7/7/2008 4:30:34 PM

fishhiker

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fished kpd on 7/4 & 7/6 it was slow. In both days I caught 7 bass total including both lm & sm. Water temp was in the low 70's. Lots of people fishing in boats & on shore including the "gangs" in rowboats.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/10/2008 10:06:13 AM

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Dead Sea...

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/10/2008 11:15:35 PM

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I was there tonight. Not the dead sea by a long shot.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/11/2008 9:52:23 AM

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Hate to disagree, but it sure as h@!! aint what it used to be! Been fishing there for years, and when those bass hear the plunk of a lure, or see a shadow the're diving for cover, KBB /LBM tourneys made sure of that!!!

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/11/2008 3:34:57 PM

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I will agree with you on that.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/11/2008 8:50:14 PM

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gangs in rowboats,do you mean lowbeards.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/11/2008 9:08:34 PM

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I just happened to drive by Thursday evening around six and there must have been a tournament going out. There were at least twenty or more boats at the Atwood ramp area. I still haven't been on it this season due to the lack of a kicker. But I have to agree with previous posts. It's not the "dead sea" a lot of people claim. True, it's not as good as it was twenty-five years ago. But it's not dead either. Lou

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/11/2008 9:52:14 PM

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Tournaments certainly do hurt the fishing. Not just the keystone power dam. These lakes and their bass are being pounded and over exposed. Bass fishing can be promoted as much as they want it to be, but they need to start seriously looking at investing into the bass populations to keep angler interest. C&R is supposed to be the lesson people learn from a bass tournament, that's a bunch of BS. It's about money. How many bass die eventually after being returned 'alive' and how many people from shore or boat go back out the next day to the spots that were holding the most fish and keep everything they catch. Do what you want, but the PFBC should look at pressure and populations at some of the lakes.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/11/2008 10:19:59 PM

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i caught my personal best largemouth there 2 weekends ago. 25" 6lbs. and it was post spawn. its most deffinatly not a dead sea. matter of fact i like the lake better then any other i fish. But i will agree it needs help just like every other lake in this state for bass. but the fish commission's answer to us no matter what has been natural reproduction. Even most of the fish commissions lake structure improvement projects are aimed at panfish. And we all know about the big ivory tower the trout program sits in as it looks down on other fishing in this state. It's a an office with a one track mind. so long as the drones continue to raise trout and ride them around the state to slaughter you'll get the same "we believe in natural reproduction" for black bass as it's always been. hell walleye and muskie even receive more attention (an not nearly enough though) then bass in this state.

There is a plethora of research that is out there and has allready been done on how to promote fantastic bass fisheries as well as muskie and pike and walleye. all they need to do is look a little and heaven forbid colaborate with another state. but as long as they continue to be single track and hands off with generic regulations and programs it's not gonna get any better.

After fishing geargia for a while this spring i would galdly pay a couple bucks for a bass stamp to pay some guys from the georgia dnr to come up and work some magic around here and i would also pay a couple bucks for an esox stamp and get some guys from mighigan/wisconsin down here to work some of that magic. maybe thats a little far fetched or overthinking but hell knows its not seeming to get better on its own with the sit back an see what happens policys.

as for tourneys, yeah they do thier damage but why dont they do this kind of damage on lakes that are managed right elsewhere like dale hollow or kentucky lake or amistad, or clear lake etc.... those lakes have been hammered worse then any lake in this state for decades and still present awesome oppurtunity.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/15/2008 9:08:47 AM

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I guess I'll retract my previous statement. You're correct, it's not the dead sea. They're in there, just scared stiff and well educated. I too have caught my personal best smallmouth, LM, and musky there, which is why I get so fired up about this subject. PL, Are the lakes above that you mentioned the same size as Keystone / Loyalhanna / Crooked Creek? I would bet they are not.

These tournaments are a drop in the bucket when you go to a lake the size of Kinzu, Erie, Arthur, pymatuming, the 3 rivers, etc. But for heaven's sake, keep them off of our smaller lakes! When these guys show up on "opening weekend" with 100 + boats in a lake a few hundred acres in size, they pull out every prime sized bass that is actively feeding. You can really feel the effects for months to come. Trust me, so do the fish! It is all about money, and that is sickening. Go gambling or something. The rest of us do this purely for fun, and some for food (longbeards, HAH!).  I made the mistake of fishing KPD when they were prefishing the lake, and I'll tell you what, those gusy are as rude as he!!!  3 times I was fishing a bank with my trolling motor down, and had 3 different boats pull up not even 50 feet in front of me to drop in on me to fish the bank before I could! My brother and I fought off the urge to board them & make 'em walk the plank!!!

I am not one to condone regulation by any means, but since these tourneys are gambling, and displacing serious anglers, perhaps they should be registered through the PA fish Commish. I think they should pay a fee for use of the public resource, and the fee would cover PAFBC scheduling to keep them spaced apart enought to allow the lake to recover, and to restrict them from some lakes. I know small under-the-table touneys would spring up, but at least there would be a penalty for bombing a lake like they do now.  And for cring out loud, Let the small lakes be- leave them for us "amateurs" who know nothing of the sport!!!

The PAFBC ask for help?!?! Research?!?  Ever talk to one of those guys? They know EVERYTHING...

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/15/2008 8:06:09 PM

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This is the permit http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/pages/forms/pfbc500.pdf
This is the summary of rules and regulations for this permit http://www.fish.state.pa.us/tourreg.htm
This the report after the event http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/pages/forms/pfbc_fer3.pdf

So as long as they submit the permit form the commission knows what lakes are being used and how often. It's up to the commission to regulate how often.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/15/2008 8:20:08 PM

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Yeah it gets me fired up too so i feel your pain. I personally do not fish bass tournies but have friends that do. hell i removed my livewell! i can say that most of the guys i have met from YRBA are seriously concerned with fisheries management and are generally courteous etc... cant attest to any of the other clubs though. i will say that once pre fish or tourney time comes around people tend to get amnesia about those sorts of things. i dont know if fee's are the answer to that problem though. like you said it might just force it underground or something. personally i dont think they are going to go away. assuming they dont the only thing to do is what ive been saying, make the lakes able to handle the pressure thats put on them.

those lakes i mentioned are huge but they do get pounded by pro's and semi pro's as well as having thier own local stuff. even though they are huge you should still see some reprocussion from how hard they are hit and you really dont. reason being is thier states take an active role in bass management. you know somethings wrong in this state when they shock these lakes and you look at the size distribution tables. hundreds of fish caught up to the legal limit for that given lake and after it almost nothing. all im saying is why not stock 2.5 million trout instead of 2.6 million and take that leftover money and sink it into habitat so the fish at least have something to provide cover or spawing areas. christ most of these lakes right now are just mudholes with a weedline and a creek channel. how hard could it really be to send a guy out with a chainsaw and down some tree's or dump a couple tons of rock to make some jetties, reefs, or fake roadbeds.

i personally dont think throwing fish at the problem is ever going to work. active management and habitat improvement is the only thing thats gonna save these places. power dam is a good example. its a moderate sized lake for the area and it does have a lot of structure and cover but there are a lot of places in that lake that are dead zones devoid of both structure and cover. couple rock reefs, some man made humps or islands and you could probably increase the capacity to hold fish by a lot. .

im gonna stop my whining now since its most likely a pipe dream from the get go. just know that i do agree with you on pretty much everything you said.

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RE: keystone power dam report - 7/15/2008 8:21:52 PM

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BTW fished power dam today and caught a little over a dozen smallies with most being 12-14". if you want them your going to have to go deep to get them.

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