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for our new prez - 8/10/2008 7:44:23 PM   
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RE: for our new prez - 8/10/2008 7:46:20 PM   
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rap,i liked that

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RE: for our new prez - 8/10/2008 9:42:31 PM   
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sad truth.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/11/2008 11:12:28 AM   
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obama will also add a trillion or two,to that debt,  by, universal health care,u.n. global poverty tax, corp tax increase/capital gains tax increase, which will result in job lose thru taxation

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RE: for our new prez - 8/11/2008 8:13:13 PM   
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every one knows the conservatives are the best for the economy.  under reagan-200billion in debt, under bush 1 300billion in debt, under clinton, the liberal, 242billion surplus, and under g.w. 420 billion in debt. 

well, at least we still have a liberal press. don't we?

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RE: for our new prez - 8/19/2008 9:58:34 PM   
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Christ, any drunk would do a hell of a lot better than the current drunk in office. 

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RE: for our new prez - 8/19/2008 10:00:21 PM   
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Hey All I have to say is that if you voted for Bush (42) twice, you are clueless, and should be put out to pasture.  Idiots.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/19/2008 10:32:42 PM   
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harry, not only are conservatives best for the economy they are the all around better choice, have u ever seen a liberal beat a conservative in an arguement... the ideas they have are just stupid. The one Obama is proposing now, just to get votes, is to give an other round of stimulus, this time $1000. Planning to pay for this with taxes from the oil company can you say marxist or what.  The only thing that will do is hurt our economy by causing inflation and decreasing the value of the dollar.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/19/2008 10:38:40 PM   
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i would seriousley place my vote for bill o rielly he tells it like it is no bs

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RE: for our new prez - 8/19/2008 11:38:47 PM   
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The one Obama is proposing now, just to get votes, is to give an other round of stimulus, this time $1000. Planning to pay for this with taxes from the oil company can you say marxist or what.  The only thing that will do is hurt our economy by causing inflation and decreasing the value of the dollar.

uh, the first one was the same.  we borrowed the money to pay it out.  btw, the economy is badly damaged right now.  inflation is up and the dollar is down.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/19/2008 11:43:21 PM   
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have u ever seen a liberal beat a conservative in an arguement... the ideas they have are just stupid.

you have got to be kidding.  as for stupid ideas, it is a prerequisite for being elected in d.c. 

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RE: for our new prez - 8/20/2008 11:48:28 AM   
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i havenever listened to a conservative when an argument.  i have heard them shout and talk over who ever they are arguing with.  volume doesn't make it so.

the facts still stand, we've gone backwards during the conservative's terms in office.  trickel down economics just doesn't work.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/20/2008 12:05:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: youghdude

Hey All I have to say is that if you voted for Bush (42) twice, you are clueless, and should be put out to pasture.  Idiots.


This is the third thread you've posted the same quote in. Do you have anything worth while or half way educated to input to the discussion. I doubt it.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/20/2008 1:08:54 PM   
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the return of guru?

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RE: for our new prez - 8/20/2008 1:11:41 PM   
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I wish it was... at least he was entertaining

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RE: for our new prez - 8/20/2008 9:02:16 PM   
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harry,wake up man,bush never claimed to be conservative,he is a liberal/repub,get with the program or shut up,,,,also,trickle down does work,if govt would get out of the way with their regs and let the market work,and stop the liberal social programs that give to the lazy do nothing slugs on welfare, and bailing out homowners that should have never bought a home to start with, and bailing out the banks and mortgage co.that let these un warranted loans to go thru,,,the haves got it cause they went for it,the have nots dont have it cause they are still waiting on govt to get it for them

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RE: for our new prez - 8/20/2008 11:45:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ROCKHARD

harry,wake up man,bush never claimed to be conservative,he is a liberal/repub,get with the program or shut up,,,,also,trickle down does work,if govt would get out of the way with their regs and let the market work,and stop the liberal social programs that give to the lazy do nothing slugs on welfare, and bailing out homowners that should have never bought a home to start with, and bailing out the banks and mortgage co.that let these un warranted loans to go thru,,,the haves got it cause they went for it,the have nots dont have it cause they are still waiting on govt to get it for them

Rock,rock,rock. Tricle down economics will and have never worked, ever. Money flows up 100 times more than any tricle down will ever do. When you write crap like this it make even me look good, and im an asshole. Try talking about fishing, no argument there.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 12:24:39 AM   
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trickle down didn't work for red ink ronnie, gw sr. or g dumbya.  it won't work for mc shame either. 

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 6:58:11 AM   
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Hey guys & gals...facts are facts!!


This has to make you think a little bit, if not then keep your blinders on! George Bush has been in office fo 7 1/2 years.  The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago
            1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high; 
            2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; 
            3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

                    4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
                    5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations o'seas, living large!...
 
But American's wanted 'CHANGE'!   So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:            1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ; 
            2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
 
            3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase); 
            4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS & prices still dropping;
            5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure. 
            6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another                  $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS   WE WATCHED AS $12.5 TRILLION EVAPORATED FROM OUR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS PORTFOLIOS!
                


YEP , IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE!...AND WE SURE AS HELL GOT IT!!!....NOW  HUSSAIN, IS THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT--AND THE  POLLS LOOK GOOD FOR HIM - HE JUST MAY BE 'THE MAN'--HE CLAIMS HE'S GONNA REALLY GIVE US CHANGE!!....   JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YA THINK YOU CAN STAND???.....  Obama's speech today said we would not realize any oil from off-shore drilling for seven (7) years. Not so, this is part of the overall energy independence strategy, that will help eliminate the rampant speculation, we are now experiencing! We also need nuclear, hydro-electric, windmills, solar, etc., most of which he opposes!    REMEMBER CONGRESS  HAS "POWER OF THE PURSE" (FOR YOUGHDUDE - THEY CONTROL SPENDING!)

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 8:44:51 AM   
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Are you kidding. 7 years of bush is why everything went in the sh!tter. Do you really believe that the democrats did all that damage in 6 months. Oh and by the way, the dems still dont have total control . Your info is far from the FACTS.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 8:52:06 AM   
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I can hear an irritated counterthrust already. The president has not driven the United States into a recession during his almost seven years in office. Unemployment stands at a respectable 4.6 percent. Well, fine. But the other side of the ledger groans with distress: a tax code that has become hideously biased in favor of the rich; a national debt that will probably have grown 70 percent by the time this president leaves Washington; a swelling cascade of mortgage defaults; a record near-$850 billion trade deficit; oil prices that are higher than they have ever been; and a dollar so weak that for an American to buy a cup of coffee in London or Paris—or even the Yukon—becomes a venture in high finance.
And it gets worse. After almost seven years of this president, the United States is less prepared than ever to face the future. We have not been educating enough engineers and scientists, people with the skills we will need to compete with China and India. We have not been investing in the kinds of basic research that made us the technological powerhouse of the late 20th century. And although the president now understands—or so he says—that we must begin to wean ourselves from oil and coal, we have on his watch become more deeply dependent on both.
Up to now, the conventional wisdom has been that Herbert Hoover, whose policies aggravated the Great Depression, is the odds-on claimant for the mantle “worst president” when it comes to stewardship of the American economy. Once Franklin Roosevelt assumed office and reversed Hoover’s policies, the country began to recover. The economic effects of Bush’s presidency are more insidious than those of Hoover, harder to reverse, and likely to be longer-lasting. There is no threat of America’s being displaced from its position as the world’s richest economy. But our grandchildren will still be living with, and struggling with, the economic consequences of Mr. Bush.
Remember the Surplus?
The world was a very different place, economically speaking, when George W. Bush took office, in January 2001. During the Roaring 90s, many had believed that the Internet would transform everything. Productivity gains, which had averaged about 1.5 percent a year from the early 1970s through the early 90s, now approached 3 percent. During Bill Clinton’s second term, gains in manufacturing productivity sometimes even surpassed 6 percent. The Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, spoke of a New Economy marked by continued productivity gains as the Internet buried the old ways of doing business. Others went so far as to predict an end to the business cycle. Greenspan worried aloud about how he’d ever be able to manage monetary policy once the nation’s debt was fully paid off.
This tremendous confidence took the Dow Jones index higher and higher. The rich did well, but so did the not-so-rich and even the downright poor. The Clinton years were not an economic Nirvana; as chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers during part of this time, I’m all too aware of mistakes and lost opportunities. The global-trade agreements we pushed through were often unfair to developing countries. We should have invested more in infrastructure, tightened regulation of the securities markets, and taken additional steps to promote energy conservation. We fell short because of politics and lack of money—and also, frankly, because special interests sometimes shaped the agenda more than they should have. But these boom years were the first time since Jimmy Carter that the deficit was under control. And they were the first time since the 1970s that incomes at the bottom grew faster than those at the top—a benchmark worth celebrating.
By the time George W. Bush was sworn in, parts of this bright picture had begun to dim. The tech boom was over. The nasdaq fell 15 percent in the single month of April 2000, and no one knew for sure what effect the collapse of the Internet bubble would have on the real economy. It was a moment ripe for Keynesian economics, a time to prime the pump by spending more money on education, technology, and infrastructure—all of which America desperately needed, and still does, but which the Clinton administration had postponed in its relentless drive to eliminate the deficit. Bill Clinton had left President Bush in an ideal position to pursue such policies. Remember the presidential debates in 2000 between Al Gore and George Bush, and how the two men argued over how to spend America’s anticipated $2.2 trillion budget surplus? The country could well have afforded to ramp up domestic investment in key areas. In fact, doing so would have staved off recession in the short run while spurring growth in the long run.
But the Bush administration had its own ideas. The first major economic initiative pursued by the president was a massive tax cut for the rich, enacted in June of 2001. Those with incomes over a million got a tax cut of $18,000—more than 30 times larger than the cut received by the average American. The inequities were compounded by a second tax cut, in 2003, this one skewed even more heavily toward the rich. Together these tax cuts, when fully implemented and if made permanent, mean that in 2012 the average reduction for an American in the bottom 20 percent will be a scant $45, while those with incomes of more than $1 million will see their tax bills reduced by an average of $162,000.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 9:03:38 AM   
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Highest rate of inflation in three decades. Pay rates stagnant, unemployment on the rise and the biggest deficit in history.
Thanks Mr Bush! 

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 11:18:12 AM   
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Check Jimmie Carter's record!

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 11:33:58 AM   
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Did Mr Carter's political party have control of BOTH houses of congress and the presidency fo 7 1/2 years?

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 11:42:10 AM   
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George Bush has been in office fo 7 1/2 years.  The first six the economy was fine.
 
 
i don't think so........jobs have continued to leave our shores throughout his term.  both blue collar and white collar.  health care became unaffordable for 40 million americans.  the list goes on and on.....whoever wrote this must listen to rush and only rush.......pure bunk 

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 12:39:56 PM   
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do you think the 10 billion a month spent i iraq efects the economy? 

g.w. has out done his old man and red ink ronnie, his deficit spending is equal the deficit of both of them combined.

his secret?

not only does is use the often disproved tickle down economy package, but he spend billions of our dollar killing thousands of our troops and 100's of thousands of iraqis.

ps: how come we gave the iraqis free health care, and we don't give to our citizens?

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 9:36:19 PM   
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yea funny,we bash bush,but make excuses for the DEM CONTROL HOUSES, typical liberal crap, yea bush ran up our deficit,among other things,but face it,healthcare been unafordable for many yrs before bush,mortgage crisis brought on by clinton for lifting alot of the stringent regs to get these loans ,so we can give to the so called,and i mean so called UNDER PRIVELEGED,DO NOTHING SCUM SUCKERS THAT LIVE OF OUR TAXES THRU GOVT SOCIAL PROGRAMS,so they can get a home,,didnt deserve one ,so now we all bail em out,oh ,we forgot about the 300 billion that went to that nonsense didnt we,,,we lose jobs all the time,hell the seventies we saw many steel jobs get lost to overseas,nothing new there,again,but we cant blame bush on the 70's, 

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 10:46:06 PM   
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Oreilly.. as in Bill O'reilly. that guy is ohnest and pretty good opinionated.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/21/2008 11:40:13 PM   
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we bash bush,


only some of us.  he is pretty bad, maybe as bad a nixon.

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RE: for our new prez - 8/22/2008 4:34:23 AM   
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bush,mortgage crisis brought on by clinton for lifting alot of the stringent regs to get these loans ,so we can give to


Was this posted by the same Rockhard whose always whining about too many gov't regulations??? Gee, I wonder what would happen if a whole bunch more gov't regs were lifted????

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