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fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 4:45:01 PM   
lunkerbrown

 

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Status: offline 		I was wanting to get some opinions on what is the better setup for steelhead fishing on the PA. tribs, using a fly rod, or spin fishing with a noodle rod? I know both are used, but what factors make one setup better than the other.  Thanks for the info.
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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 4:51:41 PM   
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Status: online 		Neither, is "better" than the other. Each have their advantages under different conditions. If you want to be a serious Steelheader, you should be prepared to use either one.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 4:52:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		lunker,
   Basically most fly rod are used to fish flies or some small bait.  Spinning rods give the person a wider option of bait choices to include lures, bait, some flies, jigs etc.  Also there seem to be fewer breakoffs with spinning gear than fly gear because noodlers seem to use more appropriate line sizes.  That is a simplistic view but both have their advocates.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 5:03:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't carry a fly rod but use woolybuggers, glo bugs and mini-foos with a noodle rod.
My line does not float so I use an indicator then leader and a few split shot before the fly.


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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 5:12:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I almost exclusively fish with my fly rods, but the noodle rod is always in the truck. Low, clear water demands light line, and the noodle rod affords this opportunity. I can get many more drifts with the fly rod. I personally think that I can get a more natural drift with the fly rod. I have gotten away from using a float with the fly rod, but feel one is necessary with the noodle rod.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 5:21:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lunkerbrown

I was wanting to get some opinions on what is the better setup for steelhead fishing on the PA. tribs,



depends on "your" style of fishing imHo

If you prefer float/indicator fishing with either bait or fly, a noodle does it best.
BTW, "chuck and duck" flyrod fishing so common on the tribs qualifies as "float" fishing to "me")\
**If** i understand correctly  what chuck and duck is, it's essentially floating or dragging your stuff under a float

if you prefer to toss  light stuff or prefer faster water over frog water holes a flyrod does it better for "me"

having said that, the best rod is the one "you" like to fish with BEST


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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 5:23:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a matter of personal preference.  Niether is "better" than the other per say.  However, anyone who is "serious" about any type of fish he/she is after, is persistant, versitile, passionate and respectful about the species he/she is after.  Even if he/she exclusively uses a spincast, fly rod, centerpin or zebco350.

I myself prefer the a spinning reel with a noodle rod...

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 5:51:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: genieman77

quote:

ORIGINAL: lunkerbrown

I was wanting to get some opinions on what is the better setup for steelhead fishing on the PA. tribs,



depends on "your" style of fishing imHo

If you prefer float/indicator fishing with either bait or fly, a noodle does it best.
BTW, "chuck and duck" flyrod fishing so common on the tribs qualifies as "float" fishing to "me")\
**If** i understand correctly  what chuck and duck is, it's essentially floating or dragging your stuff under a float

if you prefer to toss  light stuff or prefer faster water over frog water holes a flyrod does it better for "me"

having said that, the best rod is the one "you" like to fish with BEST


..L.T.A.






As I have always known it chuck and duck is using lots of extra wieght with fly line hense the duck word. The standard chuck and duck set up is using running line insted of wt or dt and stripping line off the fly reel pulling back and casting similar to the way you would with a spinrod. Chuck and duck is used alot in bigger and deeper rivers with fast drop off to be able to get you junk out farther and deeper faster. just putting a small amount of wieght and a float on a flyrod would not constitude chuck and duck as you can still roll cast this type set up. While granted you could use the chuck and duck technic this way( true set up running line its impossible to roll cast with any persistion at all) its not praticale at all with our smaller more narrow streams.If one feels they can not roll cast with a small float and weight with wf or dt line they either have little skill at roll casting or are not set up properly.With the amount of people on the streams during peak times its a bit dangeris to others to even atempt to use a chuck and duck technic on our small over crowded streams unless you have the luck to be able to have a good streach to yourself.



Ok now to the advantages and disadvatages of spin vs fly. In shallow faster water if meding is done properly a flyrod will almost always out preform a spinrod. Now in longer deeper slow pools expecialy the ones with nasty back currents a flyrod can be a real pain in the butt and the spin rod will be to your best advantage. Over all I personaly prefer to use a float rod set up on the erie tribs mainly because it can produce one of the deadlyest drifts known to man and to me is just more fun to use but its not the best thing to use in the faster shallow water and is best used in water 3ft plus for best effects. It all boils down to what you feel best with and what type of water you want to fish. What type of set up I will personaly use depends on what area of stream I deceide to fish and what the stream conditions are.


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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 6:38:53 PM   
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Status: online 		I agree that it is a matter of personal preference, my preference is for chrome on a fly rod.  I feel the fight is better and the rush of landing a big fish on a 2lb test leader does it for me.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 6:43:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: egg sac


quote:

ORIGINAL: genieman77

quote:

ORIGINAL: lunkerbrown

I was wanting to get some opinions on what is the better setup for steelhead fishing on the PA. tribs,



depends on "your" style of fishing imHo

If you prefer float/indicator fishing with either bait or fly, a noodle does it best.
BTW, "chuck and duck" flyrod fishing so common on the tribs qualifies as "float" fishing to "me")\
**If** i understand correctly  what chuck and duck is, it's essentially floating or dragging your stuff under a float

if you prefer to toss  light stuff or prefer faster water over frog water holes a flyrod does it better for "me"

having said that, the best rod is the one "you" like to fish with BEST


..L.T.A.






As I have always known it chuck and duck is using lots of extra wieght with fly line hense the duck word. The standard chuck and duck set up is using running line insted of wt or dt and stripping line off the fly reel pulling back and casting similar to the way you would with a spinrod. Chuck and duck is used alot in bigger and deeper rivers with fast drop off to be able to get you junk out farther and deeper faster. just putting a small amount of wieght and a float on a flyrod would not constitude chuck and duck as you can still roll cast this type set up. While granted you could use the chuck and duck technic this way( true set up running line its impossible to roll cast with any persistion at all) its not praticale at all with our smaller more narrow streams.If one feels they can not roll cast with a small float and weight with wf or dt line they either have little skill at roll casting or are not set up properly.With the amount of people on the streams during peak times its a bit dangeris to others to even atempt to use a chuck and duck technic on our small over crowded streams unless you have the luck to be able to have a good streach to yourself.



Ok now to the advantages and disadvatages of spin vs fly. In shallow faster water if meding is done properly a flyrod will almost always out preform a spinrod. Now in longer deeper slow pools expecialy the ones with nasty back currents a flyrod can be a real pain in the butt and the spin rod will be to your best advantage. Over all I personally prefer to use a float rod set up on the Erie tribs mainly because it can produce one of the deadly est drifts known to man and to me is just more fun to use but its not the best thing to use in the faster shallow water and is best used in water 3ft plus for best effects. It all boils down to what you feel best with and what type of water you want to fish. What type of set up I will personaly use depends on what area of stream I deceide to fish and what the stream conditions are.




I agree 98% with egg sac on what he said. But at the same time as a pinner yes you get a 100% natural drift if fished properly,but then again their alot of things  inconsideration, I have fished a fly rod, noodle rod for heads, but when i went to the pin 8 years ago can't get me to to even look at one now. I feel that you can fish a pin in shallow water , just have to down size what your using i have caught several fish in low fast shallow water with out a issue. But egg is right long deep pools nothing beats it just my two cents. And honestly not starting a war here but i think center pin fishing will out fish the fly rod and spinning rod, 9 out of 10. Fly rods i am sure have their place their days,,,,but have yet to see a day where the pin wasn't the weapon of choice. Like i said just my opinion if raised and fins sorry.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 8:08:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like the fact that with a flyrod you can re-drift you offerings quicker and easier.  No need to reel in your line to re-cast your bait upstream, just pick up the line and set it back down where you want it.   I chuck and duck bait on the Yough with a flyrod quite a bit, but lately I've been picking the line up out of the water and sort of swing it in a big circle to get my bait back upstream.  I have a few knicks in both of my good flyrods from chuckin n duckin.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 9:27:28 PM   
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Status: online 		I like both fly rod & noodle rod, however I use the fly rod simply because I don’t have to deal with bird nests which was common with a spinning rod epically after landing a few large fish, which is what puts twist on spinning line.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 9:35:09 PM   
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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 9:38:48 PM   
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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 10:03:19 PM   
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...but what factors make one setup better than the other.  Thanks for the info.


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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 10:31:55 PM   
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JUST get out and do it we all march to a different beat enjoy the opportunity to tangle with the prince of freshwater.


And all hail to the King!


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RE: fly vs spin - 9/14/2008 10:51:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use both, I have no preference. I am not a purist, I just like to catch fish. High water, I like spinning gear. Too much drag on a fly line in high water. Low & clear too good flow I like fly gear, but spin is also ok in these conditions too. Both will catch fish, its more your preference than anything else.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 8:20:12 AM   
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JUST get out and do it we all march to a different beat enjoy the opportunity to tangle with the prince of freshwater.


And all hail to the King!



For the baracuda of freshwater I have a couple of baitcasting set ups.  I prefer a 6'6" to 7' med -heavy weight fast action rod St. Croix rods and my Shimano Calcutta or ABU Garcia Pro Rocket 5500, spooled up with 20 lb PowerPro.  Oh yea, with one of those sticks in your hand, you will be able to tangle with just about any toothy critter you will find in the waters of NWPA.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 11:55:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		use what you're comfortable with i prefer spinning but i think i'll try to fly them this year just gotta dust off my fly stuff 

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 12:08:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like both setups also. My only opinion on this is that it seems like my fly spends more time in the water. I'm like 2 to 1 fly vs spin.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 4:27:32 PM   
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This time of year, nothing beats throwing hardware out into the lake with the spin rod.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 6:40:00 PM   
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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 6:43:12 PM   
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...but what factors make one setup better than the other.  Thanks for the info.


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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 9:27:14 PM   
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RE: fly vs spin - 9/15/2008 11:41:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I fish them all on occassion. I use the flyrod most often in low water conditions when little or no weight is needed.

When it's below freezing, I'll never, ever,ever fish a flyrod, and I can't see whey guys do, especially when they are bobber fising anyway, makes no sense to me.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/16/2008 9:27:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I mainly use a fly rod, but there is times I'll use a bait cast setup. It does the same thing as a center pin setup. I've found that using baitcast reel that has a flippin switch on it really does the trick on getting a dead drift then easily being able to set the hook by releasing the button and setting the hook. I think it's a heck of a lot easier to manage a bait cast reel than a center pin setup as well.

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/16/2008 9:50:51 AM   
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I mainly use a fly rod, but there is times I'll use a bait cast setup. It does the same thing as a center pin setup. I've found that using baitcast reel that has a flippin switch on it really does the trick on getting a dead drift then easily being able to set the hook by releasing the button and setting the hook. I think it's a heck of a lot easier to manage a bait cast reel than a center pin setup as well.



Not even close a baitcaster is a baitcaster, a centerpin is a centerpin, a spinning reel is a spinning reel,,, The day i see i baitcaster smoother than a pin reel is the day i'll say i was 100% wrong. That might work to a point but you'll never get a 100 natural drift with a baitcaster like a centerpin would.... but just can't see it.......

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/16/2008 11:24:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lunkerbrown

I was wanting to get some opinions on what is the better setup for steelhead fishing on the PA. tribs,



depends on "your" style of fishing imHo

If you prefer float/indicator fishing with either bait or fly, a noodle does it best.
BTW, "chuck and duck" flyrod fishing so common on the tribs qualifies as "float" fishing to "me")\
**If** i understand correctly  what chuck and duck is, it's essentially floating or dragging your stuff under a float

if you prefer to toss  light stuff or prefer faster water over frog water holes a flyrod does it better for "me"

having said that, the best rod is the one "you" like to fish with BEST


..L.T.A.






As I have always known it chuck and duck is using lots of extra wieght with fly line hense the duck word. The standard chuck and duck set up is using running line insted of wt or dt and stripping line off the fly reel pulling back and casting similar to the way you would with a spinrod.








Thanks for that,  Eggy

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RE: fly vs spin - 9/17/2008 8:28:21 AM   
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I mainly use a fly rod, but there is times I'll use a bait cast setup. It does the same thing as a center pin setup. I've found that using baitcast reel that has a flippin switch on it really does the trick on getting a dead drift then easily being able to set the hook by releasing the button and setting the hook. I think it's a heck of a lot easier to manage a bait cast reel than a center pin setup as well.



Not even close a baitcaster is a baitcaster, a centerpin is a centerpin, a spinning reel is a spinning reel,,, The day i see i baitcaster smoother than a pin reel is the day i'll say i was 100% wrong. That might work to a point but you'll never get a 100 natural drift with a baitcaster like a centerpin would.... but just can't see it.......


Your 100% wrong...A Shimano Calcutta TE will get the same natural drift that a centerpin will, even in frog water...


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RE: fly vs spin - 9/23/2008 5:38:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im in the market for a new reel, what does the Shimano Calcutta TE do, to get a natural drift?  Thanks

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