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anyone had problems with wardens - 10/12/2007 11:36:57 PM

nightowl207

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last time i was up to trout run. i was showing a firsttimer the fish in the creek while we where walking to the lake to fish a bit . there was an unusual fish in the creek that i pointed out to my friend and we continued on our way. bout five minutes later i was walking back to the car to grab more stuff and a warden comes up in my face yelling at me "what do you think your doing poking MY fish". i was dumbfounded and didnt even know what the heck he was talking about. then he went on about how me n my friend was standing there 5 mins ago and i reached out and poked HIS fish. then i started to explain that i wasnt poking fish i was just pointing at one showing my friend. then he gets in my face saying "these are MY fish. who do u think you are comiing here poking at MY fish" then i went off on him. i said, "your fish, i pay for my license just like everyone else here and that money goes to pay so you can have this job that you do nothing at all day long. getting paid to sit in a truck all day and burn state payed gas up so you can harass people." i went off my rocker. Then he says well i better not see it again or youll be getting a fine. then he walks away. i was so fumed up about the whole situation i didnt even feel like fishing. i fished for like half hour than drove all the way back home 50miles. It was an old white haired guy with glasses i think was driving a s10. anyone else encounter this god of fish.???

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/12/2007 11:53:20 PM

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Kyler???

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/12/2007 11:56:10 PM

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i didnt know his name

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 12:12:14 AM

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quote:

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Kyler???

You would think. LOL

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 1:24:35 AM

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does the fish commission or some other org run these waters.. i wanna no where it even says that there is no touching of the fish. even if i would have. ive read my rules n regs for lake erie and its tributaries. and there not real detailed on alot . you never know what you can n cant do. i dont wanna get a fine for something stupid like touching a fish. i already got a fine for $75 for a faded life vest.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 6:05:46 AM

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Fromt the rulebook:

"Designated as Nursery Waters are Trout Run and its tributaries, Godfrey Run, Orchard Beach Run, and Crooked Creek (where posted). It is unlawful to fish, wade, or possess fishing equipment while in or along Lake Erie tributary streams designated as Nursery Waters."

Did you point at it with a fishing rod while standing next to the creek?

It may seem Knit picky, but isn't better that way than if they weren't around at all?

As for the life vest, they must be in good servieable condition. Faded, ripped, or even still in the package is considered not serviceable. Stowed in a bag in the cuddy is not serviceable. To my knowledge, that's always been the law.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 11:37:38 AM

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I am from ohio but have a Pa fishing license also. The difference between these game wardens is like "nite and day".

In Ohio, I have never had a BAD experience;but in Pa, I have seldom have a good experience with them.

On the Lake, they ( Pa wardens) have come up to my boat ffor inspectionn at almost WOT, causing all type of wake; and have searched my car trunk after I said, 'I had released all fish'. I do not consider myself an "odd looking fellow" for a fisherman; but have just said to myself that these Pa Wardens are NUTS ( or some other choice words). Nothing anyone says about PA wardens would surprise.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 12:23:52 PM

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what does a non resident 1 day license cost? i would like to make a trip later on in the season. Just to get out of the commonwealth and away from the REVENUE officers. not that i want to crowd your stompin grounds but to see something different.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 3:58:31 PM

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Most of the last 20 years I've fished 100 to 300 days a year (usually closer to 300) somewhere in PA. I've never, not 1 time, had a problem from the PFBC. So sorry if I can't help but think those who've had problems with them have done something to draw their attention.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 4:21:10 PM

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And another troll scores a bite.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 5:46:16 PM

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quote:

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Most of the last 20 years I've fished 100 to 300 days a year (usually closer to 300) somewhere in PA. I've never, not 1 time, had a problem from the PFBC. So sorry if I can't help but think those who've had problems with them have done something to draw their attention.

You may be right about me calling attention to myself:

1.) Ohio boat registration in Pa Lake Erie waters, the wardens zipped up to me like something out of "Miami Vice " ( if you are old enough to remember that show) and asked for my Pa license which was pinned on my hat. The point is that the wake he created was not appropriate.

2.) Fishing Elk Creek, the warden came to my car when I was leaving asked to see my license ( which he had the right to do) and then asked to look in my trunk of my car for fish.
I was not aware that he could search my trunk but said sure.

In any case, separate incidents have left a bad taste in my mouth about Pa wardens. Ohio wardens have never speed up to my boat or searched my car.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 6:13:48 PM

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Hey guys give em a break. They are doing a job that is a lot harder than we think. If they weren't there checking licenses or searching cars the violators would be taking fish out by the trunk load. I have hunted and fished for 46 years and have numerous encounters with wardens. Most have been very professional and polite. The ones that weren't could have just been having a bad day. Remember, we don't know what they went through with the last person they had contact with. As in any job small things can add up during the day and cause anyone to be a little short. i guess what I'm trying to say is not to judge them until you've walked a mile in their shoes. Good luck and tight lines to all.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 7:30:13 PM

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there job hard. if you call riding around in a new warm truck all day hard. i guarauntee i work a hell of alot harder for less money. the problem is that most of them are not in the job for the reason to keep the sport alive and provide for the people. most get into the line of work for all the benifits and the overpayed state job money. they could care less about they fish or the people that fish the fish. As for drawing attention to myself, if you call being young and not having a brand new fancy truck bringing attention to myself than i guess im guilty. i wasnt at trout run for ten minutes before he started harassing me. and it wasnt even the fact that he was approaching me that fired me up. it was how disrespectful he went about doing so, and how numerously claimed the fish as HIS. if he would have ASKED me if i poked the fish and then waited for a response instead of telling me i did something and insulting me. i would have said sorry sir i didnt realize i wasnt allowed near the creek with a fishing rod and it wont happen again. but that wasnt the story. Its just like the police their not peace officers anymore their revenue officers. imagine if you were a fish warden and you were wanting to write up some tickets. you would look for someone driving a junk vehicle, young, maybe even a different race. and you would harass them because theres a good probality they might be doing something worth writng a fine for. thats if your motive was to write some tickets.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 7:44:21 PM

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someone has to do it..

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 9:16:11 PM

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duud, if your fishing outside your home state, be prepared to be checked. It doesn't just happen in PA.

In the past 5 years, I've fished outside of PA probably 20-30 times. I got checked for a license and
had boat saftey checks done several times.

Shoot, I got check 3 times in one day in New York. I'd bet you could find guys who would tell you
that "the man" is never around up there.

In Maryland, I had "the man" stop at the dock behind the house I was renting because my boat
was registered out of state. Two hours later, the same guy check me out on the water.

I fished in Jersey and got checked before I every made a cast.

Stay within the law and get over it.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 9:35:51 PM

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sounds like they need wardens like that in new york to stop the foul hooking

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/13/2007 11:11:15 PM

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If it were just about the revenue, they could EASILY write citations till their arms fall off, every day in the fall.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 1:02:36 AM

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Spoon,
What I find a little hard to believe is that a person could be face to face with someone who is required to wear a badge and name tag, and not bother to look at his pocket during the entire encounter. That's always my first question: Who are you? And will you please identify yourself and why you are behaving the way you are. I have never had a truely bad experience with a warden either. And since I always have an out of state license that is a sure warden magnet.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 8:16:05 AM

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Sounds like a similar situation a friend of mine told me about. A couple of falls ago he was out with his wife looking at the fish in one of the streams, I don't recall which one at the moment. He decided to get a photograph of the fish so he grabbed his camera and when back to the stream. He found a good spot and got down as close to the stream as he could. In the process he moved some brush out of the way. On the way back to his truck, he was stopped by a fish warden who wrote him a ticket for "poking at the fish". When my friend told him he was not poking at any fish, but was moving some brush the warden called him a liar and the he, the warden had been watching him from his truck and saw the whole thing. Given the distance from the warden's truck and where my friend was according to my friend there was no way he could have even seen him when he was taking the picture. Anyway, my friend ended up with a ticket for basically taking a picture of a fish. He was steamed. The warden was described as a rather large, older man.

I personally have never had a problem with a Fish Commission Officer and know that most do a GREAT job, but it does not surprise me there are few over zealous officers out there.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 9:53:11 AM

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I'm assuming these (wordens) were in uniform and if not produced some sort of identification. If so take his badge number call the PF&BC. I'm sure there is a way to talk to their supervisiors then institute a formal complaint. Give name & badge number if there are enough complaints against him maybe there will be some disciplinary action taken. You never know untill you try. It doesn't cost anything for a phone call.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 11:44:10 AM

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"poking at the fish." LMAO

i, personally, have never had a problem with a warden.(knock on wood) i did, however, witness a ridiculous deal at the walnut access a year or so ago. lake and channel were very rough. forecast called for a calm day. was waiting for the lake to calm down and the courtesy dock was about full as others were doing the same. guy comes through the channel, it was early so he couldnt have been out long. couple of "crows on the fence"(elderly gentlemen with handheld marine radios sitting on the bench waiting for something to happen). guy pulls into the basin and pulls up to the dock. wco or dwco(little bald fella with white hair on the sides)(never seen him before) comes charging down the dock with his chest sticking out and approaches the boat. guy asks him if theres a problem and the little fella filled with joy replied "yep." he asked the guy for safety devices, etc..., told him he could remove his boat and he'd be back. little fella writes the guy a ticket for making a wake coming through the channel and into the basin. guy told the wco that the channel was very rough due to large waves from the lake. never forget this; it was priceless; except for the guy who got the ticket. the warden tells him that "the girls in the office" said "whose mr. speedy coming through the channel?" guy apologized to everyone at the courtesy dock for making a wake. replies from everyone was "we didnt see any wake." hopefully the guy fought the ticket and won. since then ive yet to see a warden except for in their vehicle.

as far as their job goes, i dont know how prosperous it is. i'm sure the length of service needed before retirement and state benefits are well worth it, but i dont think they get rich from it.

imo the most pleasant state job next to the water is walnut creek access picture taker/internet poster. watching the internet and talking to fishermen all day seems like a good deal. those girls cant be getting rich in there, but it seems like a nice, cushy(sp) state job. hey, somebodys gotta do it.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 10:03:10 PM

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Have no use for them. I would exsplane but it would take a book of bs of what i,ve seen and What has happened. Make sure your shotgun shell size is visable. Cost me 100.00 bucks turkey hunting with a shell that had the nos. gone but the same shell of all the rest, a pack of 10,.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 10:19:18 PM

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there job hard. if you call riding around in a new warm truck all day hard. i guarauntee i work a hell of alot harder for less money. the problem is that most of them are not in the job for the reason to keep the sport alive and provide for the people. most get into the line of work for all the benifits and the overpayed state job money. they could care less about they fish or the people that fish the fish. As for drawing attention to myself, if you call being young and not having a brand new fancy truck bringing attention to myself than i guess im guilty. i wasnt at trout run for ten minutes before he started harassing me. and it wasnt even the fact that he was approaching me that fired me up. it was how disrespectful he went about doing so, and how numerously claimed the fish as HIS. if he would have ASKED me if i poked the fish and then waited for a response instead of telling me i did something and insulting me. i would have said sorry sir i didnt realize i wasnt allowed near the creek with a fishing rod and it wont happen again. but that wasnt the story. Its just like the police their not peace officers anymore their revenue officers. imagine if you were a fish warden and you were wanting to write up some tickets. you would look for someone driving a junk vehicle, young, maybe even a different race. and you would harass them because theres a good probality they might be doing something worth writng a fine for. thats if your motive was to write some tickets.

Their job is hard, they have to deal with a$$holes all day and the deputies make crap for money and have to buy their own equipment...... and by the way you have been talking I'll bet you poked a fish with your rod.

Oh, and if you think anyone working for the state is overpaid you are sadly mistaken...most assistant managers at fast food restaurants make more money than state workers with college degrees.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 10:26:39 PM

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Give me a break! Warden!

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 10:29:13 PM

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So go flip some burgers, donut boy.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 10:33:35 PM

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Give me a break! Warden!

I'm not a warden but I know what they make....Do you??

I just wanted to put some facts on here instead of the BS this guy is writing.

Don't get me wrong some of the WCO's are tools, but I guarantee this guy wasn't as innocent as he makes it sound.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 10:34:29 PM

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How about drifting down a river and being called over to the bank only to be ticketed for having a loaded gun while under power. We had oars only! Oh , I know there are good ones there. I have friends involved with the federation of game and fish cops. I like them all ( my friends)and they would not do that, but had too many bad experiences with the super cops.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 10:35:57 PM

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So go flip some burgers, donut boy.

Maybe I should.....

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 11:40:31 PM

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I had 1 a few years ago when i was 14, he insisted that i was 16 and to call my mom or dad an bring a legal document containing my birthdate, all the time he was very rude and arrogant, i had only an hour to fish when i got there till dark and this occured not even 5 minutes after i got to the streamside, i had to wait 40 minutes for my mom to arrive with whatever she got, i don't remember, i wasn't even allowed to fish while waiting, after my mom arrived, we gave him my ID and he dropped it into the mud, i think on purpose, he claimed it was an accident, then he made me take off my waders and vest to check for an illegal lure/bait inspection, he unzipped all my pockets and held it upside down an dumped everything to the ground, cracking my new plano spinner box at the time that i just bought, then when he was done he said clean it up and then he just left, didn't say anything, just walked away, i didn't even get to fish, it was dark by the time this was over. I don't know what happened to him, next year their was a new 1, he was very nice an just asked how old i was, if i was catching anything, if i had anything illegal, then said good luck and have a nice day and moved on. I'm glad he's gone because if i ever see him somewhere else, things might not be too good.

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RE: anyone had problems with wardens - 10/14/2007 11:47:07 PM

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I just wanted to put some facts on here instead of the BS this guy is writing.

Don't get me wrong some of the WCO's are tools, but I guarantee this guy wasn't as innocent as he makes it sound.

facts! there only your opinion, n obiously if your not a warden you got your nose buried up all the wardens browneyes. u guarantee i poked the fish, you sound as bad as the fella i made aquaintences with that day. from where he was parked ,up in front of the waterfall at troutrun, and where i was standing , down by the mouth of the creek , he couldnt of seen if i did or didnt "poke the fish" if he had eagle vision. and why would i poke a fish, for some kinda fetish pleasure. me n my buddy were walking and looking at all the fish , never even stopping or putting down my gear i said something along the lines of "look at that one" n pointed at which one i was talkin about.and we walked down to the lake put down our gear, we gocked at the lake conditions n rigged up our poles, (and thats another thing my pole was even together, 2 piece 6'6" rod). and i walked up to the car to get more stuff and here comes the ol yuppy b!chin. You have no clue who i am and if i BS. but if somebodys gonna gaurantee anything about the whole situation its gonna be me, i was there. and I GAURANTEE that I didnt touch that fish or even come within several feet of touching that fish. Hope your experiences change so your eyes will come unglued shut from what really go on.

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